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Old Dec 28, 2011, 06:35 PM   #1
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IDGI... Why are there "missing" apps from the iPad? Why no Weather, Calculator, etc?

Even Mac OS X comes with a calculator...
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Old Dec 28, 2011, 06:43 PM   #2
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Would think it has something to do with their rule about not having apps that are the same as what comes with the OS. I think it is part of why you download iBooks separate.
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Apple gets 30% of the price of any app downloaded from the AppStore. Why would they spend the time to develop, maintain, and support an app when they can get 30% of the revenue at literally no cost?
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Apple gets 30% of the price of any app downloaded from the AppStore. Why would they spend the time to develop, maintain, and support an app when they can get 30% of the revenue at literally no cost?
Because they give free weather and calculator apps on the iPhone and iPod Touch.
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Old Dec 28, 2011, 07:13 PM   #5
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Because they give free weather and calculator apps on the iPhone and iPod Touch.
they werent free... iOS 3 cost $10
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they werent free... iOS 3 cost $10
iOS4 (which included weather and other apps) was free. Those who bought their first device with iOS 4 got them for free.
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IDGI... Why are there "missing" apps from the iPad? Why no Weather, Calculator, etc?

Even Mac OS X comes with a calculator...
Apple has never commented. However, Gruber did mention something about it when the iPad was introduced:

"It's not that Apple couldn't just create bigger versions of these apps and have them run on the iPad. It wasn't a technical problem, it was a design problem. There were, internally to Apple (of course), versions of these apps (or least some of them) with upscaled iPad-sized graphics, but otherwise the same UI and layout as the iPhone versions. Ends up that just blowing up iPhone apps to fill the iPad screen looks and feels weird, even if you use higher-resolution graphics so that nothing looks pixelated. So they were scrapped by you-know-who. Perhaps they'll appear on the iPad in some re-imagined form this summer with OS 4.0, but when the iPad ships next month, there won't be versions of these apps. At least that's the story I've heard from a few well-informed little birdies."

http://daringfireball.net/2010/03/ip...ps_on_the_ipad

So, Steve Jobs didn't like the blown-up "widget" apps.

Apple will eventually do something about the lack of Stocks and Weather apps since they are now a feature of iOS 5's notification center.

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Would think it has something to do with their rule about not having apps that are the same as what comes with the OS. I think it is part of why you download iBooks separate.
The apps in question are part of iOS. They ship with iOS and are not updated outside of iOS.

The primary reason the iBooks.app wasn't included in iOS (like Weather, Stocks, etc) was because it could be updated faster outside the OS.
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Old Dec 28, 2011, 07:24 PM   #8
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IDGI... Why are there "missing" apps from the iPad? Why no Weather, Calculator, etc?

Even Mac OS X comes with a calculator...
Apple has never commented. However, Gruber did mention something about it when the iPad was introduced:

"It's not that Apple couldn't just create bigger versions of these apps and have them run on the iPad. It wasn't a technical problem, it was a design problem. There were, internally to Apple (of course), versions of these apps (or least some of them) with upscaled iPad-sized graphics, but otherwise the same UI and layout as the iPhone versions. Ends up that just blowing up iPhone apps to fill the iPad screen looks and feels weird, even if you use higher-resolution graphics so that nothing looks pixelated. So they were scrapped by you-know-who. Perhaps they'll appear on the iPad in some re-imagined form this summer with OS 4.0, but when the iPad ships next month, there won't be versions of these apps. At least that's the story I've heard from a few well-informed little birdies."

http://daringfireball.net/2010/03/ip...ps_on_the_ipad

So, Steve Jobs didn't like the blown-up "widget" apps.

Apple will eventually do something about the lack of Stocks and Weather apps since they are now a feature of iOS 5's notification center.

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Would think it has something to do with their rule about not having apps that are the same as what comes with the OS. I think it is part of why you download iBooks separate.
The apps in question are part of iOS. They ship with iOS and are not updated outside of iOS.

The primary reason the iBooks.app wasn't included in iOS (like Weather, Stocks, etc) was because it could be updated faster outside the OS.
VERY interesting! But why not include the Stocks and Weather widgets in the Notification Center on iPad? Or maybe they're working on that for 5.1? Hmm
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Because they give free weather and calculator apps on the iPhone and iPod Touch.
And how often do you view your iPhone in landscape versus the iPad?
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Old Dec 28, 2011, 08:01 PM   #10
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I know my iPad's notification center looks quite barren compared to iPhone. It is a weird inconsistency that I would have thought Apple would have addressed.
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Old Dec 29, 2011, 08:55 AM   #11
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I'd like to see the weather (and why not stocks) be a Notification Center -Only "app" if need be. Sometimes I want to see the weather forecast when on my iPad...realize the notification "widget" isn't there and look for my iPhone to see it.
Sure, I could go online or download another app, but a simple pull down is much easier.
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Old Dec 29, 2011, 09:25 AM   #12
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I am lost, why would we have to worry about no weather or clock apps directly from Apple when you first get the Ipad since you can just sign into appstore and get them for free?
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Old Dec 29, 2011, 09:40 AM   #13
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I am lost, why would we have to worry about no weather or clock apps directly from Apple when you first get the Ipad since you can just sign into appstore and get them for free?
I dont think this is a matter of worry. More a thing its fun to discuss, because it doesnt have a clear first answer.
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Old Dec 29, 2011, 09:47 AM   #14
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I love having my weather and stock apps in the notification center on my iPhone. I check them both regularly and I like not having to open an app to do it. I have gotten some good weather apps on my iPad to replace the one that comes with iPhone. Still haven't found a stock app I love yet. The Bloomberg one is way to busy for me--I just want a list of the stocks I'm watching and what they're doing today (see the iPhone stock app).

All that being said, my iPad is wifi only and spends a lot of the day not connected. But it would be nice to have that stuff for when I am in a hotspot.
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Old Dec 29, 2011, 10:19 AM   #15
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I wouldn't be surprised to learn that accounting rules governing revenue recognition are somehow involved as well. This is why they had to charge a nominal fee for iPod Touch iOS upgrades in the past.
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Old Dec 29, 2011, 11:01 AM   #16
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And how often do you view your iPhone in landscape versus the iPad?
1/3 of the time on my iPhone and about 50/50 on my iPad. Why would that matter in relation to the iPad not having native calculator and weather apps while the iPhone and iPod Touch do?
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Old Dec 29, 2011, 12:41 PM   #17
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You can find weather apps everywhere for free...but I have yet to find a clock app that works as well as the apple one on the iPhone. I just can't trust the downloaded ones to wake me up.
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Yeah, you could get 3rd party apps for weather, stocks, etc. but do any of them integrate into notification center? I still don't get why there's no voice memo, calculator, and other iPhone standard apps on the iPad.
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Old Jan 1, 2012, 03:46 PM   #19
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I am lost, why would we have to worry about no weather or clock apps directly from Apple when you first get the Ipad since you can just sign into appstore and get them for free?
Free without annoying ads? The calculator apps I've seen are free but all having annoying, distracting ads.
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Is there a way to transfer the apps over from an iPhone via SSH after a jailbreak? I would port weather in notification center and the clock app.
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What are your favorite weather apps? I am looking for one to replace the Weather channel app. It's good but I wouldn't mind something else, paid or not. Let me know guys. Ideally with international cities support.
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Old Jan 2, 2012, 07:00 PM   #22
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Weather in iPad's Notifications

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Yeah, you could get 3rd party apps for weather, stocks, etc. but do any of them integrate into notification center?
Well there is some kind of a workaround. There is an app that subscribes you to one or more weather calendars. It's called WeatherCals.

http://itunes.apple.com/app/id438449201?mt=8

So if acivated it will show you the weather in notifications as calendar entries—when you tap on it it will open calendar and give some more details about the weather in your region. I've got the app when it was free and it works pretty well. It looks like this on iPad 2:



Sorry the screenshot is German. Wolkenlos means no clouds. The app itself is English as well of course. And there should be a free lite version.
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You can find weather apps everywhere for free...but I have yet to find a clock app that works as well as the apple one on the iPhone. I just can't trust the downloaded ones to wake me up.
THIS! I am amazed that the clock app from the iPod touch is not included in the iPad and can't be added later through iTunes or app store. The biggest thing I miss is the sleep timer. Is there a reliable 3rd party timer app that consistently runs in the background without being active?
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What are your favorite weather apps? I am looking for one to replace the Weather channel app. It's good but I wouldn't mind something else, paid or not. Let me know guys. Ideally with international cities support.
Weatherbug has a much nicer UI, especially as it is faster. I have heard it has a checkered past in Windows circles, hopefully the App Store did a good job vetting it.
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Weatherbug has a much nicer UI, especially as it is faster. I have heard it has a checkered past in Windows circles, hopefully the App Store did a good job vetting it.
I will try it as soon as I get home. For what I can see it's not highly reviewed but will try it anyways. Thanks.
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