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Old Feb 1, 2012, 07:02 AM   #1
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I ordered a Seagate t-bolt connector.

Okay I just ordered one directly from seagate.


go to the accessory page and it is there.

http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/accessories

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99 no shipping or tax.

when it arrives i will test it with a samsung 512gb series 830 ssd sata III

an intel 600gb ssd and sata II type

a series 470 samsung 128gb ssd sata II type




Pretty costly 99 plus 50 is 149 .

usb3 cases are as low as 15.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817388031



ON THE PLUS SIDE this will run with just the t-bolt cable. I should post results in a few days.
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 08:07 AM   #2
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Wow, they're already backordered!
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 08:09 AM   #3
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Wow, they're already backordered!
It's the price...as usual not so in the UK, I wish I could get hold of a few of them...Those results should be interesting OP!
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 09:35 AM   #4
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I'd love to get my hands on one of those, I assume it doesn't come with the cable at that price..
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 12:57 PM   #5
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I'd love to get my hands on one of those, I assume it doesn't come with the cable at that price..
no 99 plus 50 for the cable comes to 149
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 01:45 PM   #6
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If only monoprice.com would release a thunderbolt cable....

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Also, this seems like the perfect device for adding an external SSD to a base 2011 iMac. Rather than tearing apart the iMac to add an SSD, you could just hang this off the outside. Just a thought.
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 02:17 PM   #7
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If only monoprice.com would release a thunderbolt cable....

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Also, this seems like the perfect device for adding an external SSD to a base 2011 iMac. Rather than tearing apart the iMac to add an SSD, you could just hang this off the outside. Just a thought.
Lol, I seriously doubt Monoprice can produce a Thunderbolt cable cheaper ... Apple breaks even on their cables.

Thunderbolt is an expensive protocol to adopt, do you think that 10gbps bandwidth doesn't come with a price? I suggest you take a look at the teardown of the cable to understand the sort of hardware required to make such a protocol feasible.

In good time, the prices will come down, but as of now, those ICs are expensive for a reason.
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 02:21 PM   #8
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I think the t-bolt cable could drop in price. New mobo for ivy bridge will have t-bolt connections. This means the world of pc will get t-bolt. I have used both t-bolt and usb3 and t-bolt is far better with one exception PRICE
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 02:25 PM   #9
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I think the t-bolt cable could drop in price. New mobo for ivy bridge will have t-bolt connections. This means the world of pc will get t-bolt. I have used both t-bolt and usb3 and t-bolt is far better with one exception PRICE
I think you're overstating the effect Windows adoption of Thunderbolt might have on its retail price.

Apple's Thunderbolt cables have their transceivers 'baked' into them. What this does is ensure that the Thunderbolt ports on this generation of Mac computers are compatible with future revisions of the protocol.

Unless computer companies start to bake the transceivers into the ports themselves (as opposed to the cables), the price of the cables isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 02:28 PM   #10
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I think you're overstating the effect Windows adoption of Thunderbolt might have on its retail price.

Apple's Thunderbolt cables have their transceivers 'baked' into them. What this does is ensure that the Thunderbolt ports on this generation of Mac computers are compatible with future revisions of the protocol.

Unless computer companies start to bake the transceivers into the ports themselves (as opposed to the cables), the price of the cables isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
I think he meant that increased demand will reduce the cost over time, as it will become more of a generic cable, just like SCSI, Firewire, HDMI, and many other cables did.
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 03:05 PM   #11
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I think he meant that increased demand will reduce the cost over time, as it will become more of a generic cable, just like SCSI, Firewire, HDMI, and many other cables did.
This is what I meant and thank you for saying it better then I was able to do.

Basically t-bolt is faster more stable then usb3.

Also the connector makes a deep sturdy connection not prone to come loose. I have purchased and tested most of the storage options out there.

Pegasus

lacie

sonnet express card adapter

now seagate.

all have been stable fast gear.

The pegasus and the lacie are really good for booting and working without

screwups.

If it works well this seagate adapter will completely end the iMac trapped internal drive issue. Also the 27 inch iMac has 2 t-bolt adapters which will solve the lack of a daisy chain issue.

the seagate adapter will also make server mac minis have a killer ssd with no effort at all.
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 03:11 PM   #12
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Lol, I seriously doubt Monoprice can produce a Thunderbolt cable cheaper ... Apple breaks even on their cables.

Thunderbolt is an expensive protocol to adopt, do you think that 10gbps bandwidth doesn't come with a price? I suggest you take a look at the teardown of the cable to understand the sort of hardware required to make such a protocol feasible.

In good time, the prices will come down, but as of now, those ICs are expensive for a reason.
I don't deny that there is more to it than a straight cable (i.e. the active circuitry necessary to make it all work). Just saying, at some point cheaper cables woudl be nice.

As for stating Apple breaks even on their cables, now this I call bull on. If that were truly the case, then everyone would charge $30+ dollars for a mini-displayport to HDMI adapter and there really wouldn't be any 3rd parties selling these cables. Look at iPod cables. I can buy those from tons of websites for $2, and yet Apple charges a lot more than that.

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If it works well this seagate adapter will completely end the iMac trapped internal drive issue. Also the 27 inch iMac has 2 t-bolt adapters which will solve the lack of a daisy chain issue.

the seagate adapter will also make server mac minis have a killer ssd with no effort at all.
Exactly!! Why tear apart an iMac, when a simple SSD hooked to one of these would give you the same bandwidth. It would be nice to not have to tear out one of your 500GB drives in the Mac Mini Server in order to replace with an SSD. I'd pay $150 not to have to risk losing my warranty by ripping apart my iMac and/or Mac Mini and still have the SSD goodness!
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Exactly!! Why tear apart an iMac, when a simple SSD hooked to one of these would give you the same bandwidth. It would be nice to not have to tear out one of your 500GB drives in the Mac Mini Server in order to replace with an SSD. I'd pay $150 not to have to risk losing my warranty by ripping apart my iMac and/or Mac Mini and still have the SSD goodness!
I am looking forward to this piece of gear.

I will say this much these items may kill off the mac pro not for a while but down the road a bit.


An ivy bridge hex core in an imac that has 4 t-bolt connectors would be a monster machine.
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Apple breaks even on their cables.
I find it hard to believe Apple breaks even on anything.
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 08:15 PM   #15
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 08:33 PM   #16
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We know apple isn't just breaking even, look at their profits....
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Old Feb 1, 2012, 09:51 PM   #18
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The pegasus and the lacie are really good for booting and working without

screwups.

Btw, Philip, when you boot from the Pegasus what sort of speeds (Read & Write, Random and Sequential) are you seeing, roughly?
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Btw, Philip, when you boot from the Pegasus what sort of speeds (Read & Write, Random and Sequential) are you seeing, roughly?
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Amen, I'd be really interested if you wouldn't mind a quick update with the Read/Write (Random/Sequential) speeds you're seeing with the Thunderbolt cable!

Been debating getting one of these just to have a look, but not sure I could justify spending in excess of 100 on a cable to the girlfriend...

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Btw, Philip, when you boot from the Pegasus what sort of speeds (Read & Write, Random and Sequential) are you seeing, roughly?
It is kind of funny about the pegasus.

testing it is not that easy.

here is two samsung 256gb ssds sata III series 470/810 in a 512gb raid0 about 155gb full


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Amen, I'd be really interested if you wouldn't mind a quick update with the Read/Write (Random/Sequential) speeds you're seeing with the Thunderbolt cable!

Been debating getting one of these just to have a look, but not sure I could justify spending in excess of 100 on a cable to the girlfriend...
I am waiting on the seagate t-bolt adapter.

i run xbench for the drives only with a 2.3 mac mini 2011.

give me till tonight i will put this lacie on the server and run the same xbench then I will do some pegasus test for you.
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Old Feb 7, 2012, 12:31 PM   #21
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No GoFlex DESK adapter? Seagate better come through, I bought the damn thing for the future compatibility they promised.
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No GoFlex DESK adapter? Seagate better come through, I bought the damn thing for the future compatibility they promised.
It is supposed to come out in a month or so.

remember the real use for 1 drive t-bolt is ssd. (500 read 400 write)

not a stand alone 2 or 3 tb drive hdd. (160 read 140 write)

of course a 2 drive unit would be nice.
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It is supposed to come out in a month or so.

remember the real use for 1 drive t-bolt is ssd. (500 read 400 write)

not a stand alone 2 or 3 tb drive hdd. (160 read 140 write)

of course a 2 drive unit would be nice.
A two drive unit would be great. Maybe OWC will come up with something. I know they're selling Pegasus and a few other TB odds and ends but they haven't produced anything of their own yet. Let's hope they come up with a dual.

500 read 400 write, tasty, I'll be buying a Seagate myself if they're capable of those speeds. I have a TB cable and I'm just waiting for the right piece of 'gear' to appear, maybe this is it.
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Hopefully Thermaltake comes out with a Thunderbolt version of the blackx. I have had the USB /esata versions for years and loved them on my pc. I have both the single drive and dual drive units.
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Hopefully Thermaltake comes out with a Thunderbolt version of the blackx. I have had the USB /esata versions for years and loved them on my pc. I have both the single drive and dual drive units.
yeah I have a stu00028 version and a stu00014 version
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