Mac OS X Intel Leaked?

MacRumors · Jun 13, 2005, 01:41 PM

Over the weekend there were unverified reports that Apple's developer Mac OS X for Intel had been leaked.

Thus far, there is no real evidence that this is actually the case.

One fake OS X has been spotted on the file-trading networks but no actual reports of legitimate seeds. It's not known if the developer Mac OS X Intel will install on a standard PC with the same chipset.

biohazard6969 · Jun 13, 2005, 01:45 PM

whats the point? if you want osx that bad, spend 70 or so dollars and get a cheap imac. this probably wouldn't even work that well, if its just developers build then you can't update it and there would be a TON of bugs in it

swissmann · Jun 13, 2005, 01:46 PM

I bet there are PC users who would like to give this a try out of curiosity. However after the curiosity wears off what is the value?

ZildjianKX · Jun 13, 2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by biohazard_6969

whats the point? if you want osx that bad, spend 70 or so dollars and get a cheap imac. this probably wouldn't even work that well, if its just developers build then you can't update it and there would be a TON of bugs in it

I disagree, I have a few macs, and I'd love to install it on my existing PCs as well. It's not about me being cheap, it's about me wanting MORE macs

SiliconAddict · Jun 13, 2005, 01:49 PM

*looks over at the little devil on his shoulder telling him to go find it, download it and install it on his X31 Thinkpad and see what happens.
*

*looks over at the little angle who is telling him its wrong because you don't have a license and it probably wouldn't work right anyways.*

Hmmmmm.....

VicMacs · Jun 13, 2005, 01:58 PM

this is not going to happen, not for now, people will try to fool everybody... dont buy it

SiliconAddict · 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by VicMacs

this is not going to happen, not for now, people will try to fool everybody... dont buy it

Yah. why do I doubt that Apple shipped an OS installer CD....well then again what do they do if something they work on blows the system up? I mean it is an early dev system after all....hmmm

john7jr · Jun 13, 2005, 02:12 PM

Seeking this will only:

-Waste your time
-Waste a DVD
-Tick you off.

It's not real. Trust me.

daveL · Jun 13, 2005, 02:19 PM

Unless you can match the x86 dev hardware, it won't run anyway, e.g. GPU, MB chipset, etc.

wdlove · Jun 13, 2005, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SiliconAddict

Yah. why do I doubt that Apple shipped an OS installer CD....well then again what do they do if something they work on blows the system up? I mean it is an early dev system after all....hmmm

Also the Mac OS X will still on run on a Mac with the Intel chip inside. Just like the one purchased by premiere developers for $999.

DavidLeblond · Jun 13, 2005, 02:22 PM

I believe this has been posted to about as many threads as the original Intel rumors were. From what I've read, the ISO "images" out there are just the letters GNAA repeated over and over again. So basically some idiot out there is having a lot of fun watching other idiots waste hours downloading their little prank. Don't be an idiot, don't waste your time.

plastique45 · Jun 13, 2005, 02:24 PM

The 2 version sseeded on Bittorrent (Tiger x86 & Mac OS X Tiger x86 Xiso) are fakes. No real version is out there.

The real Tiger x86 will not intall on non-Apple hardware. The real Tiger x86 does not support ANY video card, just the Intel integrated video memory.

SiliconAddict · Jun 13, 2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidLeblond

Don't be an idiot, don't waste your time.

Being coned doesn't have anything to do with being an idiot...Unless you have some magical way of seeing into the ISO online and just knowing that it’s a fake. At least someone took the time to download it and see that it was a fake so the rest of us don't waste our bandwidth but in my case I'm on a T1 so I have bandwidth to spare.

lind0834 · Jun 13, 2005, 02:29 PM

I have no doubt that a legit copy of this exact OS is around, but I doubt if would be really useful to many people.

It has been said that it runs on a standard P4 system with a standard Intel MoBo and chipset. Does anybody know what MoBos are used? Which Intel Chipset is used? How about the network and sound chips that are used?

Apple would not build support in to a release like this with universal support for all devices. Until we have more details about the hardware used the software is useless.

That bieng said, once those details are released I could see sales for certain motherboards jump on eBay.. Even without support for updates it would still be interesting to use a computer with Dual G5 speeds for the price around a Mini.

SiliconAddict · Jun 13, 2005, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plastique45

The 2 version sseeded on Bittorrent (Tiger x86 & Mac OS X Tiger x86 Xiso) are fakes. No real version is out there.

The real Tiger x86 will not intall on non-Apple hardware. The real Tiger x86 does not support ANY video card, just the Intel integrated video memory.

What would be interesting to find out is if you could install this developer preview of tiger and migrate the drivers over from the final release of 10.4.1 for x86.

ChrisBrightwell · Jun 13, 2005, 02:38 PM

Here's a video worth watching:
http://www.digg.com/apple/Video_of_O..._a_Dell_Laptop

QT7 is required.

It looks like it *might* be running under Pear PC (he doesn't zoom in on the "About ..." window, so I can't see CPU info), but it's interesting, nonetheless.

The choppy video performance may lend itself to using the "default" drivers for Darwin or OS X on unknown hardware. I'm not sure.

Just thought I'd share.

SiliconAddict · 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisBrightwell

Here's a video worth watching:
http://www.digg.com/apple/Video_of_O..._a_Dell_Laptop

QT7 is required.

It looks like it *might* be running under Pear PC (he doesn't zoom in on the "About ..." window, so I can't see CPU info), but it's interesting, nonetheless.

No way in hell is that running X nativly. That my friend is a Latitude CS X. Its max CPU is something like 600Mhz. The one I own is 500Mhz. Comes with a Neomagic 8MB onboard graphics and has one unoccupied RAM slot on the base. with a max of 512MB RAM as an upgrade if you rip into the guts of the thing.)
There is NO way in hell that thing will run X either nativly or through a PearPC connection. (Even on my 2.8Ghz system PPC is SLOOOOOOOOW.) You will notice he has a WIFI card on the thing. Betting he's got a VNC session going on there.

slooksterPSV · Jun 13, 2005, 03:03 PM

That looks like it may be under PearPC or CherryOS, when I load the about part, I can take a snap of that image, zoom in and enhance it to see what it says.

shyataroo · 03:08 PM

Didn't Steve jobs say Mac OS X was "Processor Independent" doesn't that mean that it can be installed on any processor in lieu of windows?

Doesn't that also mean that emulators should try to emulate the OS instead of the Processor?

ChrisBrightwell · Jun 13, 2005, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiliconAddict

You will notice he has a WIFI card on the thing. Betting he's got a VNC session going on there.

I hadn't thought of that, but it's certainly possible. The terrible framerates on the dock animations would lend itself to that.

eSnow · Jun 13, 2005, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macrumors

Over the weekend there were unverified reports that Apple's developer Mac OS X for Intel had been leaked.

I have no doubt it will be leaked, sooner or later. The current crop of VNC sessions and fake images will give way to a real (i wouldn't say legit) copy some days or weeks down the road.

However, someone will get his ass whipped big time - that Apple does not provide installer DVDs, but delivers the box pre-installed tells me they have watermarked every single OS X/x86. Some fool will have to pay.

That said, my fingers are itching to download it and have a test-drive... I currently don't have the money to buy a select dev membership and the kit, but my hacker soul longs to get it onto a PC.

ChrisBrightwell · Jun 13, 2005, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shyataroo

Didn't Steve jobs say Mac OS X was "Processor Independent" doesn't that mean that it can be installed on any processor in lieu of windows?

There's more than CPU support to running an OS. All of your hardware, including hard drives and the keyboard, has to have proper driver support.

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Doesn't that also mean that emulators should try to emulate the OS instead of the Processor?

You're thinking about this backwards. You emulate hardware to allow the OS to run. You don't emulate the OS to match the hardware you've got.

Additionally, despite OS X's processor independence, the shipping packages are built specifically for the PowerPC platform and not for the Intel platform. The Intel code is a separate codebase all-together, I'm sure.

It's like Linux/UNIX/BSD, if you think about it. Those OSes, for the most part, are processor independent (hell, look at NetBSD!). That doesn't mean that the PPC build will run on x86, though, nor is the inverse true. You have to have specific builds (or "fat" builds that support multiple CPUs) for whatever CPU your system is running.

Here's hoping I answered more questions than I created.

MongoTheGeek · Jun 13, 2005, 03:14 PM

When I was at WWDC I was so close to plugging my firewire drive into one of the demo machines and running ditto across it. Discretion being the better part of valor and the possible repercussions convinced me not to.

I wouldn't be surprised if it does just work on generic Intel hardware. Remember though there may not be drivers for peripheral X or video card y.

ChrisBrightwell · Jun 13, 2005, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eSnow

[...] I currently don't have the money to buy a select dev membership and the kit, but my hacker soul longs to get it onto a PC.

Ditto that -- even if I have to hack Darwin drivers to get the damn thing to run.

Huked on Fonick · Jun 13, 2005, 03:14 PM

Looks like he recorded a mac screen doing stuff, and then pasted it over the dells

Jun 13, 2005, 01:41 PM	#1
MacRumors macrumors bot Join Date: Apr 2001	Mac OS X Intel Leaked? Over the weekend there were unverified reports that Apple's developer Mac OS X for Intel had been leaked. Thus far, there is no real evidence that this is actually the case. One fake OS X has been spotted on the file-trading networks but no actual reports of legitimate seeds. It's not known if the developer Mac OS X Intel will install on a standard PC with the same chipset.

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biohazard6969 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: toronto canada	whats the point? if you want osx that bad, spend 70 or so dollars and get a cheap imac. this probably wouldn't even work that well, if its just developers build then you can't update it and there would be a TON of bugs in it __________________ 20" iMac Core Duo 1GB 256 VRAM 13.3" Black Macbook 1GB RAM\| 17" iMac G4 1ghz 768MB \| iMac "Flower Power" 600mhz 1gb RAM \| 30 GB iPod 5G black

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swissmann macrumors 6502a Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Utah Alps	I bet there are PC users who would like to give this a try out of curiosity. However after the curiosity wears off what is the value? __________________ Always looking for a faster Mac.

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DavidLeblond macrumors 68000 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC	I believe this has been posted to about as many threads as the original Intel rumors were. From what I've read, the ISO "images" out there are just the letters GNAA repeated over and over again. So basically some idiot out there is having a lot of fun watching other idiots waste hours downloading their little prank. Don't be an idiot, don't waste your time. __________________ www.davidleblond.com Try my new iPhone game, Claustrophobia!

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plastique45 Banned Join Date: Jan 2005	The 2 version sseeded on Bittorrent (Tiger x86 & Mac OS X Tiger x86 Xiso) are fakes. No real version is out there. The real Tiger x86 will not intall on non-Apple hardware. The real Tiger x86 does not support ANY video card, just the Intel integrated video memory.

Jun 13, 2005, 02:29 PM	#14
lind0834 macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wisconsin, USA	I'm sure there is a legit copy around. I have no doubt that a legit copy of this exact OS is around, but I doubt if would be really useful to many people. It has been said that it runs on a standard P4 system with a standard Intel MoBo and chipset. Does anybody know what MoBos are used? Which Intel Chipset is used? How about the network and sound chips that are used? Apple would not build support in to a release like this with universal support for all devices. Until we have more details about the hardware used the software is useless. That bieng said, once those details are released I could see sales for certain motherboards jump on eBay.. Even without support for updates it would still be interesting to use a computer with Dual G5 speeds for the price around a Mini.

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ChrisBrightwell macrumors 68020 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Huntsville, AL	Here's a video worth watching: http://www.digg.com/apple/Video_of_O..._a_Dell_Laptop QT7 is required. It looks like it might be running under Pear PC (he doesn't zoom in on the "About ..." window, so I can't see CPU info), but it's interesting, nonetheless. The choppy video performance may lend itself to using the "default" drivers for Darwin or OS X on unknown hardware. I'm not sure. Just thought I'd share. __________________ "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." 15" MacBook Pro (2.4GHz, 4GB RAM, 320GB HDD) Canon 50D (10-22, 24-70, 50/1.4, 70-200/2.8)

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