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Old Feb 17, 2012, 05:45 PM   #1
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iPad 3 and Handbrake

In theory the new iPad might have a very high res screen. Greater then 1080p content.
We have a long weekend ahead of us here in the USA, and I have a few 16 core MacPros that otherwise will be sitting idle until Tuesday morning. I was looking to re-encode some of my HD videos into a true HD format for the supposed iPad 3. (Some .mkv, some straight Blu-Ray .m2ts rips)
So using the iPad 2 hardware as a base, what is the MAX settings that you can set in handbrake that will play back? Most of my HD video is encoded for iPad using the iPad setting, which while ok, does shrink the video down to fit nicely on a 1024x768 screen. I still have my 1080 masters, so figured I could re-encode them at the high res for the theoretical iPad 3 in advance.

Right now I'm using:
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My only area of doubt is the "Reference Frames" and "Maximum B-Frames" settings. How high can I push these?
I usually set them to 2 pass encodes with file size either 2048MB or 3072MB. Most are the usual 90 min to 2 hour movies.

Before you all start off with "Just use defaults it looks fine". I don't care about "Fine". I got horsepower and time, so would like to set it to the max possible regardless of if you can see a difference. Just play along with me on this. Thanks!
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Old Feb 18, 2012, 05:32 AM   #2
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Use the Apple TV 2 preset, bump the resolution up to 1080 vertical lines, and the CQ slider to 18. That will get you video which is indistinguishable from the source.
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 03:24 AM   #3
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Use the Apple TV 2 preset, bump the resolution up to 1080 vertical lines, and the CQ slider to 18. That will get you video which is indistinguishable from the source.
Could you please elaborate, explain in detail? When you say "CQ" do you mean the Constant Quality Slider? If so, why 18? Is it because the lower the number the better, same quality of source?
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 03:26 AM   #4
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Could you please elaborate, explain in detail? When you say "CQ" do you mean the Constant Quality Slider? If so, why 18? Is it because the lower the number the better, same quality of source?
Yes, the CQ slider is that. The lower the number, the better the quality. Careful, file sizes can get big quick!
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 03:33 AM   #5
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Yes, the CQ slider is that. The lower the number, the better the quality. Careful, file sizes can get big quick!
So basically this (pic), right? Well besides it being 720 rather 1080
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 03:50 AM   #6
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Yea. That's the slider. I refer you to these threads:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1341050
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1341234
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 03:56 AM   #7
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I've been encoding my favorite titles to 1080p. I use Handbrake 0.96 Apple TV 2 preset and simply bump the resolution up to 1920 from 1280 on the video tab. No other changes. I could not distinguish between CQ 20 and 18 other than file size. I did notice going from 720p to 1080p the detail in dark scenes got better. The file size is 3 times as large and encoding is 1/3 as fast.

I used my 27" iMac for reference. The new iPad screen is still too small to issues in the picture. Most movies so far have scaled very well from 720p to the new iPad retina display. 1080p is better as noted above in dark action movies, but you would be hard pressed to notice the difference in a lot of content because film is just not that sharp. But when you do come across an ultra sharp movie its like looking at a moving glossy photo. Uncanny.
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 04:04 AM   #8
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Whats the average file size of your 180p output for an average length movie?
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 09:22 AM   #9
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Can someone setup an ideal HD preset and post here for the good of us all? :-)
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 09:26 AM   #10
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You don't really need a new special preset, I converted a 720P episode of 30 Rock using the AppleTV2 preset and it looked fantastic. For 1080P just set it to 1920x1080 and pick a semi-decent bit-rate and you'll be fine. I doubt there's anything to be gained by having the resolution upped to 2048x1536 on content not natively at that resolution. The upscaling seems very good to me using AVPlayer.

TL;DR use ATV2, and change the resolution to 1920x1080 if you're converting 1080P material.
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 12:14 PM   #11
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You don't really need a new special preset, I converted a 720P episode of 30 Rock using the AppleTV2 preset and it looked fantastic. For 1080P just set it to 1920x1080 and pick a semi-decent bit-rate and you'll be fine. I doubt there's anything to be gained by having the resolution upped to 2048x1536 on content not natively at that resolution. The upscaling seems very good to me using AVPlayer.

TL;DR use ATV2, and change the resolution to 1920x1080 if you're converting 1080P material.
AvPlayer doesn't seem to like flv files... any player I can get that'll play them without conversion?
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 12:26 PM   #12
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If the video files you guys are converting are .mkv, don't use Handbrake. It takes way too much time. Use something like MKVTools. It takes much, much less time since it's not actually converting any video, just putting it in an mp4 container. The only thing you may need to convert is audio if it's DTS since iPad doesn't support DTS audio.

For full BluRay discs, though, Handbrake is probably best.
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 12:29 PM   #13
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If the video files you guys are converting are .mkv, don't use Handbrake. It takes way too much time. Use something like MKVTools. It takes much, much less time since it's not actually converting any video, just putting it in an mp4 container. The only thing you may need to convert is audio if it's DTS since iPad doesn't support DTS audio.

For full BluRay discs, though, Handbrake is probably best.
That link says MKVTools is "coming soon" lol
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That link says MKVTools is "coming soon" lol
Try going to downloads and seeing if it's available there.
You'll find that it is.
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Try going to downloads and seeing if it's available there.
You'll find that it is.
Oh, lol. Strange they say coming soon, yet have it for download... ;-)

I'll give it a try and see how she goes.
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That link says MKVTools is "coming soon" lol
Just use mp4tools

It is available now, free to try.
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Whats the average file size of your 180p output for an average length movie?
Lots of people here working on just that...Remember the golden rule...you CAN'T improve upon what you start with, audio notwithstanding. Some people (myself included) dislike watching movies in 16:9 dispute the high res. It's a waste of screen (IMO) so I'm working on the best compromise I can find...It takes a while, And all tastes differ, I'm sure plenty of HB settings will be posted over the next few weeks.
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Old Mar 17, 2012, 01:31 PM   #18
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Lots of people here working on just that...Remember the golden rule...you CAN'T improve upon what you start with, audio notwithstanding. Some people (myself included) dislike watching movies in 16:9 dispute the high res. It's a waste of screen (IMO) so I'm working on the best compromise I can find...It takes a while, And all tastes differ, I'm sure plenty of HB settings will be posted over the next few weeks.
I'm with you on that one, I'd rather see it take most\all of the screen, even if it loses a little bit in the process. If I wanted to watch it on a 6 inch diagonal I'd just watch it on my phone, haha.

If you come up with ideal settings for a full screen, please do share :-)
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I've been using Handbrake to convert Blu Ray rips for the new iPad and new ATV. Going from .mkv to .m4v takes forever, but seems to work very well.

From the presets menu, I'm choosing "High Profile" under the "Regular" heading. I've played around with some other settings, including bumping up the CQ slider from ATV2 etc. The difference is indistinguishable. This setting reduces the file size dramatically, anywhere from 75-83%, but even through the new ATV doesn't appear to have lost much quality.

Dark gradients are the only area that are questionable--and that's only on a full-size TV. On the iPad itself those losses are imperceptible as the screen is smaller and the pixels are packed much more densely.

Others may be pickier than me, but I can't detect any quality loss (though I'm sure it's there) on the new iPad with these videos.

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Whats the average file size of your 180p output for an average length movie?
It's going to vary based on the movie. Time length is a major determining factor, but for example, animated movies tend to convert to smaller files than live action counterparts at the same length.

I'm seeing file size reductions in the realm of 74-83%. Most are converting to about 3-4GB for a 90 minute film, 5-6GB for 120 minutes. They're still large files, but nothing compared to the originals.
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I'm with you on that one, I'd rather see it take most\all of the screen, even if it loses a little bit in the process. If I wanted to watch it on a 6 inch diagonal I'd just watch it on my phone, haha.

If you come up with ideal settings for a full screen, please do share :-)
I'm on my third rip now...Still getting what I would call half a screen...Im now messing with a couple of Anamorphic custom settings...Preview on my iMac is filling the specified canvas ( iPad window if you like) but it's not WYSIWYG so it's going to take a while

The quality is great...File size for a 1 hour 40 min. movie is running at around 1.5 GB...Not bad considering yesterday I ripped the past Lord Of The Ring trilogy ( I know it's 180 mins.) at 18GB Looked FANTASTIC, but still used half the screen. We will get there..
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Where, in Handbrake, do you set the output resolution? I can see what my input picture res is, but not where to modify what my output is (horizontal and vertical).
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Where, in Handbrake, do you set the output resolution? I can see what my input picture res is, but not where to modify what my output is (horizontal and vertical).
Mine's greyed out
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Mine's greyed out
Using the Apple TV 2 Preset as my base, on the video tab I adjusted the width to 1920. It appear greyed out but is not, just use the arrows. See screen shot below.

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My file size is 7GB (Rango) - 11GB (Avatar) for 1080p. This is 3x the Apple TV 2 preset in Handbrake. A far cry more than Engadget's reports minimal increase in size for iTunes 1080p.

I'm testing settings in an Apple TV 3 thread that say to check Web Optimization and add the following string to the Advanced box:

vbv-bufsize=31250:vbv-maxrate=25000
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Anything like mvtools for windows? Don't need handbrake. Just change the container and sound.
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Anything like mvtools for windows? Don't need handbrake. Just change the container and sound.
I'm trying rebox.NET and tsMuxer has been around a while.

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rebox.NET didn't work for Apple products.
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