Missing RSS in OS X Mountain Lion (mail)

[musio]

How can they remove this? I'm just hoping that it will be included in future betas...

I relie heavily on RSS in mail for updates on sites rather than saving tabs for the 15 sites I want updates on (Macrumours being one of them!) It's great to browse mail and get notifications for the latest news item...it would be crazy of Apple to remove this.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a big omission? I thought the notification centre would be great for receiving the latest MR news

See http://www.macworld.com/article/1654...with_mail.html

No more RSS
One thing you won't find in Mountain Lion's Mail app—at least as it stands today—is the RSS feature. Whereas in Lion you can subscribe to an RSS feed in Mail in order to be alerted to, and to read, newly published articles from your favorite websites, that feature appears to be gone from Mail in Mountain Lion. Mail's preferences window has been stripped of the RSS pane, and there's no longer an Add RSS Feeds command in Mail's File menu.

What makes this omission especially curious is that RSS functionality also seems to be missing from Safari in Mountain Lion. It appears that if you want to read RSS feeds in Mountain Lion, you'll have to turn to a third-party app—at least, if nothing changes between now and the arrival of the final version of this OS X update in late summer.

[Bear]

Originally Posted by musio

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What makes this omission especially curious is that RSS functionality also seems to be missing from Safari in Mountain Lion. It appears that if you want to read RSS feeds in Mountain Lion, you'll have to turn to a third-party app—at least, if nothing changes between now and the arrival of the final version of this OS X update in late summer.

Why does it fell like that both Lion and Mountain Lion area as many steps backwards as forwards?

A Lion example, while I understand the new Mission Control layout and think it was good to be added, there's no more Expose/All Windows.

We'll have to see what they have in mind for RSS, but if you're a developer, bug report both Safari and Mail for missing RSS. And explain how and why you think it's bad that's missing.

[Brenster]

Originally Posted by musio

How can they remove this? I'm just hoping that it will be included in future betas...

I relie heavily on RSS in mail for updates on sites rather than saving tabs for the 15 sites I want updates on (Macrumours being one of them!) It's great to browse mail and get notifications for the latest news item...it would be crazy of Apple to remove this.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a big omission? I thought the notification centre would be great for receiving the latest MR news

See http://www.macworld.com/article/1654...with_mail.html

No more RSS
One thing you won't find in Mountain Lion's Mail app—at least as it stands today—is the RSS feature. Whereas in Lion you can subscribe to an RSS feed in Mail in order to be alerted to, and to read, newly published articles from your favorite websites, that feature appears to be gone from Mail in Mountain Lion. Mail's preferences window has been stripped of the RSS pane, and there's no longer an Add RSS Feeds command in Mail's File menu.

What makes this omission especially curious is that RSS functionality also seems to be missing from Safari in Mountain Lion. It appears that if you want to read RSS feeds in Mountain Lion, you'll have to turn to a third-party app—at least, if nothing changes between now and the arrival of the final version of this OS X update in late summer.

Aside from using the RSS functionality in Safari rather than mail.app, I'm right there with you. In lieu of this change that looks to be coming in ML and Safari 5.2 on the web side of things, I spent last night looking at alternate RSS Readers both web and local app wise. They all seemed to be various flavours of awful and none of them support enumerating how many new news items there are since last visit - very useful in Safari both for individual sites and per folder on the Bookmarks menu bar.

Whilst I'm not about to jump ship from Mac/OSX (I switched from XP to an eMac w/Panther back in November 2003 for a reason....), I am starting to question what tools I use from day to day. The versioning and 'open all documents that the app had open last time' when opening a given first party app or document is seriously at odds with my prefered workflow and working behaviours. Having Pages open up previous documents along with the document I've just clicked on, some of which contain confidential information, is rather annoying. I'd prefer not to have to migrate to MS Office:mac to get the behaviour I want, but between the RSS issue and versioning/counter-intuative app behaviours I'm starting to consider alternatives.

[Bear]

Originally Posted by Brenster

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Whilst I'm not about to jump ship from Mac/OSX (I switched from XP to an eMac w/Panther back in November 2003 for a reason....), I am starting to question what tools I use from day to day. The versioning and 'open all documents that the app had open last time' when opening a given first party app or document is seriously at odds with my prefered workflow and working behaviours. Having Pages open up previous documents along with the document I've just clicked on, some of which contain confidential information, is rather annoying. I'd prefer not to have to migrate to MS Office:mac to get the behaviour I want, but between the RSS issue and versioning/counter-intuative app behaviours I'm starting to consider alternatives.

In System Preferences->General there is a checkbox for "Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps." deselect this so applications don't open up all the previously open windows. This does work for Pages and such. It may be broken for one or 2 apps.

As for the versions thing, well I want a "Save As" option back. And I need to see a better UI for the revision stuff before I decide how I like it. And more information on how it may do automatic cleanup of old version information or if that's something that will clog the disk if you forget to clean it up manually.

[Brenster]

Originally Posted by Bear

In System Preferences->General there is a checkbox for "Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps." deselect this so applications don't open up all the previously open windows. This does work for Pages and such. It may be broken for one or 2 apps.

Thanks for this - I'll take a look at my mac when I get back from work. if the behaviour persists then an alternate to iWork may need to be looked at, sadly.

Originally Posted by Bear

As for the versions thing, well I want a "Save As" option back. And I need to see a better UI for the revision stuff before I decide how I like it. And more information on how it may do automatic cleanup of old version information or if that's something that will clog the disk if you forget to clean it up manually.

Good points. I wasn't aware that "Save as" has been removed. And the potential for ever expanding file sizes for documents is something I've been wondering about. If I creare a Pages document for example and embed a large image file > save > remove the image, is the image still held within the body of the file so it can be reverted to? if so, how do I remove it? If OSX or the app removes it automatically, on what criteria will it be removed (last accessed date, creation date, size threshold)?

[tkermit]

Originally Posted by musio

Am I the only one who thinks this is a big omission?

I actually always thought RSS functionality didn't belong in Safari, and certainly not in Mail, so I can see why they chose to remove it.

And it's not like there's a shortage of 3rd party dedicated RSS readers. I personally like Reeder.

[Bear]

Originally Posted by tkermit

I actually always thought RSS functionality didn't belong in Safari, and certainly not in Mail, so I can see why they chose to remove it.
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I actually agree with you on mail. However, it seems right for Safari since you wind up in a web browser anyway to read the whole article if you're interested in it.

[musio]

If you're like me and subscribe to multiple feeds, having them in your email so you can view them at leisure or priority (as they are in mail...) is the best way for me

It's crazy for them to remove this! I get all the latest view via RSS pop up in my mail!
So many pages on apple.com have RSS feeds so for apple to remove the ability to view any feeds in their new operating system must be a product of beta....

As always; http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

[Takuro]

I think Apple is making a push to strip Mail of features irrelevant to mail. Notes has its own dedicated app now, for instance. The RSS reader was a bit out of place in the Mail app too, and if you ask me, the implementation sort of sucked. You're citing that Mail was able to maintain multiple feeds, mark unread items, etc., but these features are standard of any RSS reader app. Most standalone apps do a lot more.

There are plenty of better alternatives out there, and I'd highly recommend Reeder. Just check the Mac App Store, and keep an open mind.

[musio]

Thanks for suggestion Reeder ...but my frustration is that's another app i have to keep open, Mail is one app that pushes everything, aggregates everything, can have notifications, etc.

Now i have to download another app to hog some RAM and keep open at the same time as all the others

I disagree with mail just being for email only. This isn't the iPhone. Every OSX app is a litter bigger and better. RSS is very relevant to getting mail as the reason you use RSS is to get the latest updates...like mailinglists and subscriptions which are old hat compared to technology such as RSS where you can track changes. Should Apple strip out attachments and just keep mail text only?!

RSS really fitted with mail well. Even for work scenarios keeping updated with technology or news, it's a standard feature of MS outlook and many other mail applications. RSS is synonymous with new information and updates which for me, means the mail application.


EDIT: there are SO many RSS links on the apple sites and others...unless Apple release an integrated RSS app, they should keep up with the tech and include some sort of aggregator.

[Peace]

RSS is still in mail.

It's done a bit differently though and hasnt been implimented yet

[musio]

Peace, that's breaking news then! I've been reading differently on all sorts of sites. Have you had any updates with you ML copy?

[MattInOz]

Originally Posted by Peace

RSS is still in mail.

It's done a bit differently though and hasnt been implimented yet

I was wondering with the disappearance of RSS if Apple wasnt planning to do something to challenge google reader. Although they'll need to allow developers access it if they do create an iCloud store for RSS.

I never liked having it mail it never felt like a fit.

[CodeBreaker]

I completely agree with the OP on this. I too am a big fan of RSS, and like to keep my subscriptions in Mail. If they removed it, then it will be yet another senseless move by Apple.

Yes there are tons of RSS readers available on the Mac, but another app = less workspace, which nukes my productivity along with the lame concept of Mission Control. And I like the in-built RSS reader in Mail.

Things are not looking very good for me. I finally adjusted to Lion and was just hoping that future updates will add more stability and fix a few issues. But if Mountain Lion is going to drop Lion's existing features, I may end up reverting to SL.

[Peace]

Originally Posted by musio

Peace, that's breaking news then! I've been reading differently on all sorts of sites. Have you had any updates with you ML copy?

Originally Posted by CodeBreaker

I completely agree with the OP on this. I too am a big fan of RSS, and like to keep my subscriptions in Mail. If they removed it, then it will be yet another senseless move by Apple.

Yes there are tons of RSS readers available on the Mac, but another app = less workspace, which nukes my productivity along with the lame concept of Mission Control. And I like the in-built RSS reader in Mail.

Things are not looking very good for me. I finally adjusted to Lion and was just hoping that future updates will add more stability and fix a few issues. But if Mountain Lion is going to drop Lion's existing features, I may end up reverting to SL.

Did you not read/see my post ?

In other words since there is RSS buttons for iCloud and smart mailboxes in mail I think RSS is going to be integrated into OSX like Twitter is.

[Michaelgtrusa]

This will take some weight out of safari.

[musio]

Peace, I did read your post which is why i referred to it as 'breaking news' - every mac news site on the net is reporting RSS is gone from lion for good!

[Peace]

Originally Posted by musio

Peace, I did read your post which is why i referred to it as 'breaking news' - every mac news site on the net is reporting RSS is gone from lion for good!

Well what do they know eh ?

[CodeBreaker]

Originally Posted by Peace

Did you not read/see my post ?

In other words since there is RSS buttons for iCloud and smart mailboxes in mail I think RSS is going to be integrated into OSX like Twitter is.

I did read your post. But I won't stop my whining until i see a few feeds in that empty window.

[nuckinfutz]

I still doubt it's coming. Clicking on RSS feeds in Safari wants to send you to an external app.

We'll see but I think Apple's ideal is to clean up Mail by removing items that don't necessarily jive in a communications program (i.e notes and RSS to a lesser extent)

[ac3320]

dude just use Reeder. Seriously. RSS in Mail is retarded man

[BaldiMac]

Originally Posted by Peace

RSS is still in mail.

It's done a bit differently though and hasnt been implimented yet

The second screenshot refers to IMAP or Exchange folder subscriptions. It has nothing to do with RSS. It's been in Mail for several versions.

[musio]

Originally Posted by ac3320

dude just use Reeder. Seriously. RSS in Mail is retarded man

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...6&postcount=10

Not having RSS in mail is 'retarted' as you put it..


Today i got some nice RSS articles from Macrumours and an apple support article i subscribed to. Nice.

[Donza]

Originally Posted by ac3320

dude just use Reeder. Seriously. RSS in Mail is retarded man

+1

Big fan of RSS and I never could imagine using something else than dedicated RSS reader app for that.

[ac3320]

Originally Posted by musio

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...6&postcount=10

Not having RSS in mail is 'retarted' as you put it..


Today i got some nice RSS articles from Macrumours and an apple support article i subscribed to. Nice.

Hey broski I can't knock you for not wanting too many apps open, but if you haven't already tried Reeder, or maybe Pulp for Mac, you should. RSS in Mail was just too cumbersome, and these apps really present the feeds as they should be. Mail really dumbs things down when it comes to RSS.

It's only one more app to have open...