Apple Co-Founder Ron Wayne on "Why I Left Apple" - Page 2

henrystar · Feb 23, 2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by iRCL

So, his own dream that he keeps referring to? Obviously it was a career in television.

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Sorry, I feel we have here a guy with real class! I would hope I myself would be as mature about the circus in which we all live. Congrats, on integrity, aplomb, and savoir vivre!

Stike · Feb 23, 2012, 04:06 PM

This article sold me his book. No kidding, I read the example pages at amazon and ordered it.

If he really wanted to write this, I can understand it. This book, getting the own thoughts out there, is worth more than any wealth of money in the world.

drjsway · Feb 23, 2012, 04:13 PM

Anybody read the article?

He said he would've stayed four years, gotten rich, then left. He certainly didn't say he would've left Apple at the time he did if given the chance to do it over.

pubwvj · Feb 23, 2012, 05:40 PM

The grapes are very sour.

mixel · Feb 23, 2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by usptact

It's not clear for me in what way he "put the dent in the Universe"... a book? that's too small, or I simply miss something?

There's a pretty strong precedent for books causing "dents in the universe". If my legacy was a book of importance in some way I'd be happy with that. (and the usual family stuff that people take for granted)

waldobushman · Feb 23, 2012, 10:35 PM

Few exist who doesn't regret something or think what if. Randomness rules our lives even though we might feel we're in control. And we certainly never succeed solely because of our own skill and character. There is no such thing as a self-made man.

Wayne left because his passion and vision and risk values did not align with Jobs and Woz, and I suggest he would have been, like most of us, I'd guess, crushed under the weight of Steve Jobs.

anomie · Feb 24, 2012, 06:28 AM

Weight? I Don´t know, Steve Jobs was quite skinny in the 80s and his last years.

MrNomNoms · Feb 24, 2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rmhop81

poor guy is missing out on some major cash!

There is more to life than just money.

Winni · Feb 24, 2012, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarrus

That's what rather most people would say if they'd made that big of a bad decision.

Most startups fail. Actually, almost all startups fail, only a very tiny fraction is successful. It took Apple years to become successful and in the late 1990s it was almost a stupid thing to buy Apple stock since the company was on the edge of bankruptcy. How stupid do YOU feel today that you didn't buy Apple stocks back in the 1990s? Or are you a teenager and too young to have been around at that time?

Nobody can see the future and most investments are gambles. You win some, you lose some. That's probably not a problem for very wealthy people, but for the 99.9999% of people on a budget, you better be careful with your money.

Also, you need A LOT of commitment and energy to run a startup - and like any other gamble, there is no guaranteed outcome. He made a decision based on the situation back then.

And as my history teacher taught us at school: You have to look at history through the eyes of that time. You cannot judge history from today's perspective.

If you do that, we all are idiots for not having bought ridiculous amounts of Apple stocks when the company was close to collapsing.

lazyrighteye · Feb 24, 2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by iRCL

So, his own dream that he keeps referring to? Obviously it was a career in television.

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Don't discount his big screen career...

linux2mac · Feb 24, 2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rmhop81

poor guy is missing out on some major cash!

"Poor guy?" He still has his life, "if you have your health you have everything!"

SeattleMoose · Feb 24, 2012, 10:00 AM

Happens all the time.....shoulda woulda coulda...."if only".

Moopy Sac · Feb 24, 2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pubwvj

The grapes are very sour.

To whom are you referring? Some of the people in this thread? Because Wayne certainly doesn't seem to have sour grapes, rather the exact opposite. He has remarked several times that Woz and Jobs have changed the world and he just didn't fit into the culture.

Snide · Feb 24, 2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by linux2mac

"Poor guy?" He still has his life, "if you have your health you have everything!"

Indeed. Steve Jobs became a multi-billionaire, yet died quite young.

Ron Wayne lives on...

toddybody · Feb 24, 2012, 12:11 PM

How is this even news?

steve.caplin77 · Feb 24, 2012, 12:27 PM

I think most of the people doesn't know about this truth. I try best to also share this thread with my friends.

rmhop81 · Feb 24, 2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by linux2mac

"Poor guy?" He still has his life, "if you have your health you have everything!"

why are people being so technical about the comment? It's a fact the guy missed out on tons of cash....now everyone is trying to justify it.

Scarrus · Feb 24, 2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Winni

Most startups fail. Actually, almost all startups fail, only a very tiny fraction is successful. It took Apple years to become successful and in the late 1990s it was almost a stupid thing to buy Apple stock since the company was on the edge of bankruptcy. How stupid do YOU feel today that you didn't buy Apple stocks back in the 1990s? Or are you a teenager and too young to have been around at that time?

Nobody can see the future and most investments are gambles. You win some, you lose some. That's probably not a problem for very wealthy people, but for the 99.9999% of people on a budget, you better be careful with your money.

Also, you need A LOT of commitment and energy to run a startup - and like any other gamble, there is no guaranteed outcome. He made a decision based on the situation back then.

And as my history teacher taught us at school: You have to look at history through the eyes of that time. You cannot judge history from today's perspective.

If you do that, we all are idiots for not having bought ridiculous amounts of Apple stocks when the company was close to collapsing.

I guess you and others have understood me badly, I didn't say, nor imply that he or anyone was an idiot but said that if most people were in his shoes they would rather say "Oh, well doesn't matter" than "Yeah, damn, I lost SO MUCH MONEY!"

liavman · Feb 24, 2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by usptact

It's not clear for me in what way he "put the dent in the Universe"... a book? that's too small, or I simply miss something?
Anyways, if he is happy with what he has, then this is a major success! Nowadays it is so hard and rather uncommon to be humble and happy with his/her current position.

We all put a dent in the universe in our own ways, little or big. That is the point and moral of that story that we can take away.

When Apple went public, Steve and Steve decided who all will get apple shares. I wonder if they offered any to this man.

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Originally Posted by Scarrus

That's what rather most people would say if they'd made that big of a bad decision.

Such cynicism is suffocating.

Dave00 · Feb 24, 2012, 04:02 PM

Meh. 40 years of research, and his dent-in-the-universe book doesn't seem to be footnoted at all? Sounds more like a manifesto to me, and probably congruent with his seeming haphazard (and ultimately financially poor) decision to leave Apple. Let's not forget, this isn't someone that worked with them a couple years then decided to sell his shares. This was a buyback almost immediately after the company's formation. Probably better for the Steves that he left. But not better for him.

Dave

the8thark · Feb 26, 2012, 02:13 AM

Only 35 years too late mate. No one cares. You're talking about ancient history

Lennholm · Feb 26, 2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by usptact

It's not clear for me in what way he "put the dent in the Universe"... a book? that's too small, or I simply miss something?
Anyways, if he is happy with what he has, then this is a major success! Nowadays it is so hard and rather uncommon to be humble and happy with his/her current position.

Books are what constitutes the sum of the collective knowledge of mankind, so a book can certainly put a dent in the universe. Take "On the origin of species..." for example

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Originally Posted by the8thark

Only 35 years too late mate. No one cares. You're talking about ancient history

Well you took the time to read it...

imageWIS · Feb 26, 2012, 12:55 PM

He still became a millionaire in his own right with other ventures... everything considered, he is doing better than most people.

the8thark · Feb 26, 2012, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lennholm

Books are what constitutes the sum of the collective knowledge of mankind, so a book can certainly put a dent in the universe. Take "On the origin of species..." for example

Well you took the time to read it...

I did. I read the lot. That's why I said what I did.
But you could not have known I read it all. So next time ask before you assume ok.

Dcuellar · 09:33 AM

If that's what helps you sleep at night....

Feb 23, 2012, 04:06 PM	#27
Stike macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany	This article sold me his book. No kidding, I read the example pages at amazon and ordered it. If he really wanted to write this, I can understand it. This book, getting the own thoughts out there, is worth more than any wealth of money in the world. __________________ - "Fiat justitia et ruant coeli!" -
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waldobushman macrumors member Join Date: Mar 2011	That's life Few exist who doesn't regret something or think what if. Randomness rules our lives even though we might feel we're in control. And we certainly never succeed solely because of our own skill and character. There is no such thing as a self-made man. Wayne left because his passion and vision and risk values did not align with Jobs and Woz, and I suggest he would have been, like most of us, I'd guess, crushed under the weight of Steve Jobs.
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SeattleMoose macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Der Wald	Another "Pete Best" Story Happens all the time.....shoulda woulda coulda...."if only".
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Feb 23, 2012, 04:13 PM	#28
drjsway macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jan 2009	Anybody read the article? He said he would've stayed four years, gotten rich, then left. He certainly didn't say he would've left Apple at the time he did if given the chance to do it over.
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anomie macrumors regular Join Date: Jun 2010	Weight? I Don´t know, Steve Jobs was quite skinny in the 80s and his last years.
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Feb 24, 2012, 04:02 PM	#45
Dave00 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Pittsburgh	Meh. 40 years of research, and his dent-in-the-universe book doesn't seem to be footnoted at all? Sounds more like a manifesto to me, and probably congruent with his seeming haphazard (and ultimately financially poor) decision to leave Apple. Let's not forget, this isn't someone that worked with them a couple years then decided to sell his shares. This was a buyback almost immediately after the company's formation. Probably better for the Steves that he left. But not better for him. Dave
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Feb 26, 2012, 02:13 AM	#46
the8thark macrumors 68000 Join Date: Apr 2011	Only 35 years too late mate. No one cares. You're talking about ancient history
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imageWIS macrumors 6502 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NYC	He still became a millionaire in his own right with other ventures... everything considered, he is doing better than most people.
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Dcuellar macrumors regular Join Date: Feb 2010	If that's what helps you sleep at night.... __________________ 15" 2010 MBP, Core i7, HR Glossy, 8 GB RAM, 500 GB 7200 RPM Last edited by Dcuellar; Feb 27, 2012 at 09:33 AM.
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