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Old Mar 27, 2012, 03:08 PM   #51
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1) W3680 is a 6x
2) It depends on the clockspeed. A lot of high end Hackintoshes are overclocked.

Anyway it is foolish to argue performance vs a Hackintosh... Custom built PCs typically offer better performance than ones made by like Dell/HP etc.
You are correct there. Tutor on the other hand is going to help me Underclock my system to achieve the same (if not better performance) with my W3680 system setup.

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However that doesn't prevent most professionals from buying workstations vs building themselves even when performance is important. Same applies to the Mac Pro.
Well yes and no. I lean more towards no. Like I said before, there are quite a bit of small production companies out there (especially in California) who have caught onto the Hackintosh thing a little over two years ago and most of all the Hackie builders out there (yes they're out there; even though they're not supposed to be) have said all the customer wants is an SR-2 system. If they can't have that then they don't want anything. So it's not like the word doesn't get around; it does, why? They know that they're going to save 1/2 to 2/3's cost in savings as well as the Over (and now Under) Clocking abilities that you simply can't achieve with the Mac Pro Towers that make the unit up to 40%+ faster on TOP of the savings. But this is now becoming old news. It doesn't matter anyway as our monied supply system is drying up and more and more people are losing their jobs anyway and can't afford jack due to our dollar systematically failing as a result of "fractional reserve banking." But that's a whole other topic... Later...
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Old Mar 27, 2012, 06:56 PM   #52
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Sorry, but it's just a matter of numbers... Your four core is going to be slower than an 8 core of the same vintage. Like you said, the dual Xeon is twice the speed.

There just isn't any way that with a well tuned 8 core that your 4 core was faster at Motion and After Effects. You make sure you have an SSD in there to keep the processor fed, and it'll blow a 4 core out of the water.
Ahhhh... Just to let you know I don't have a 4 core, but a 6 core (with 12 virtual cores) that are OC'd to 4.2GHz; which again, cannot be done ANY mac tower. Plus, I'm using a 6GB 120GB SSD from OWC here:

http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/SSD/O...xtreme_Pro_6G/

How about this, do a GeekBench test using v2.2.6 or v2.2.7. Those are the newest versions that are now giving accurate numbers that work with any Intel or Xeon Processor for both Mac Pro Towers and Hackies alike. Please post your score. Also, you can use Cinebench 11.5, but it's not as up to date as GB. In any case do both and then lets see what you come up with. If you can't that's cool, just go on GB's website and compare my score (below):

Geekbench Score: 18,584 / Cinebench 11.5: OpenGL: 46.13 fps, CPU: 10.79 pts

with some of the Top Mac Pro Towers out there (here):

http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/mac-benchmarks/

and even with my ONE 6 CORE W3680 @ 4.2GHz, I'm running circles around dual processor mac towers (that currently cost 3+ more $$$ than the one I own). Now although you are seeing these Mac Towers getting 21,000+ GB scores, those scores were done with an older (less accurate) version of GB. The new GB versions (that I already mentioned) are actually making the GB scores a bit lower. But even it they weren't; think about it. I'm going to spend $6,800 for a Mac Pro that I can build on my own for $1,600 for me to be only about 5% to 7% slower in rendering power when all I have to do is build two systems to chain them together to create a rendering farm, for a total of $3,200 that will DOMINATE any Mac Pro period.

Aside from that, I'm now learning to Underclock with my SR-2 Setup and you can see for yourself what my latest GB score is. Here it is:

http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/592622

32,998 !!! Mind you I'm on page 2 of the top scores (found here):

http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/top?page=2

Again, I RUN CIRCLES around any top of the line Mac out there now. Please show me an actual Mac Pro that is getting anywhere close to 33,000... please show me...

BTW, I couldn't have done any of this without the help and tutelage of... Tutor - THANKS AGAIN !!! Also, if you haven't noticed go onto the same page here:

http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/top?page=2

and take a gander of Tutors Underclocking GB scores. Now that's where I want to be, but even if it doesn't happen, I will remain grateful with what I have knowing it's already a beast of a machine...
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Old Mar 28, 2012, 12:26 AM   #53
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That's what she said.

But seriously I'd rather not do a Hackintosh. Don't get me wrong, I used to build PCs when I was younger and enjoyed the process...however, those blue lights and fans with LED's and ugly curves need to go away on the PC side. It's just terrible design.

PC case manufactuers do not understand utilitarian minimalism. They are just engineers.
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Old Mar 28, 2012, 01:57 AM   #54
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So freakin tired of listening about the cost of Apple computers.
Do you understand that it costs to assemble a computer, to create the software, warranties etc etc.?????
If you cant afford to use a mac, no one is putting a gun to your head and tell you to do so.
Buy a freakin playstation, or whatever.
wah, get over yourself please. No one put a gun to your head and told you to click a thread about Hackintosh units that will naturally discuss the topic of cost. He simply asked for thoughts on it.
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Old Mar 28, 2012, 02:23 AM   #55
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there are other reasons for buying a mp besides true n core multi-threading. In the case of what apple offers, it's the only system that can allow for easily upgraded hdd's and pcie cards (not just upgrading the gpu, but allow for things like raid, fc, 10g ethernet, or even infiniband).

Now i'm not saying that users don't want or need true n core multi-threading, but the software a particular person is using may not provide it for all applications within the suite (most in fact, from my observations).

As it happens, creative suites fall in this category (i.e. Some parts of cs 5.5 are single threaded or for limited core counts, such as ps only using 2 cores, though there may be many more), as do some engineering and scientific applications (i.e. Based on ancient code).


Rare case. Seriously. I can't recall how many times commercially available software isn't capable of this across the entire suite.

Privately developed software (not commercially available), is where i see the exceptions. Which is expensive to do, and why it's rare in the grand scheme of things.


Actually, it's not. Cs 5.5 is a good example.

Specific applications are, but not the entire suite. Call and speak to one of the design engineers of the suite in question, and you'll discover this for yourself.


Do not presume you remotely know what i do or what i require for a system.

As it happens, i no longer use a mp (got one in 2008, and returned it within the 14 day return due to the poor roi once the hardware upgrades and software used were taken into account).

I ended up building a custom solution that was cheaper and was better suited to my specific needs.

As it happens, not all of my software is true n core multi-threaded either, and i'm using engineering software (electronic design automation). Given the type of software, a xeon is needed for the ecc memory (recursion = cannot afford a bit error in memory).

As it happens, about 50% of my engineering software is true n core multi-threaded (which is higher than most professional suites i've researched), but i don't spend all of my time in those portions of the suites. Less than half actually, particularly when considering everything (email, research via a web browser,...) that use common, single threaded applications that aren't part of any engineering suite. So when i account for time spent where, a dp wasn't the best way to go (hex core xeon = better cost-performance ratio).


It's due to intel increasing core counts, as they can no longer push clock frequencies.

When the cores are leveraged, they do produce a faster result. But there are 2 parts to this, which comprise of hardware + software. Intel can only control the former. The software is up to the particular vendor, and intel cannot force them to change their code, assuming it can even benefit from true n core multi-threading in the first place (not all can).


They're not all simultaneously executed due to how resources are used. They're "active", but in reality, most are stored in memory, and are actually idle (not processed in consecutive clock cycles).

The real key however to differentiating between threading in the sense you're using it and multi-core systems, is the n core aspect, which denotes multi-core systems. It's this latter case i'm talking about, and expected you realized that.
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This ridiculous talk about 'Tutor'. It's hilarious. Like he's some kind of superhero trainer.
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Old Mar 28, 2012, 03:32 AM   #57
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Hackintoshes are sick. There are amazing rigs around. The thing is you can make them cheap with crap cases and this is what most people do (including me). But if you really want to, they are some great cases (like Californian NZXT or swedish Fractal Design) which achieve a great look. It does not look the same style as an Apple computer but it looks as good and at least you get a genuine computer.

Large companies do no buy Hackintoshes because this is not something you can easily integrate in your workflow. That's it. Nothing to see with reliability or anything. But freelancers more and more build them I am pretty sure.
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Old Mar 28, 2012, 04:23 AM   #58
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If you really love your mac, build a Hackintosh at least once

5 years ago when I first moved out of my home country and into another one for business, I wanted to setup a Mac Desktop. At the time, most Apple desktop offerings were weak with the Mac Pro being more than I wanted to spend. Not to mention, in my new country the price of Macs was about 30% higher than the global average. I remember hearing about some hacks who had gotten OSX to run on Intel, so I started to search around and one thing led to another and I started to stay up late... a lot. After a week or two, I got OSX up and running on my old Alienware gaming rig. It was a P4 and ran dog slow, so I started to read about motherboards that were doing well with OSX, like the Intel Badaxe, which was the the hackintosh mobo of choice about 4 years ago. Anyway, very long story short I ended up writing one of the most widely used 10.5 guides on the web. It's one of 2 stickied guides on insanelymac. Learning about kext files, how to write my own for hardware I wanted to run, learning to make my own installers, boot files, and more... I can tell you made me so strong with the mac, that window looks alien to me and I have all my MSFT certifications and built MSFT networks for 10 years.

Build a hackintosh... even if it's just for fun. But if you want to run one for serious. Here is what you want to know.

1. Be prepared to manage your hackintosh for each update. While updates might go smoothly, you MIGHT get some unexpected results and be prepared to repair your install.
2. Tweaks and bugs. Be prepared for lots of little bugs n tweaks that you will need to apply fixes for.
3. Get the most widely used hardware in the forums. This will make it easy for you to get the most support you will need.
4. Have a lot of backups
5. Don't expect it to be as worry free as a real mac

Now I think that the Hackintosh fills a void in the mac line up that they have ignored. Apple creates amazing notebooks and notebooks that look like monitors and then they create this over kill desktop Mac Pro which is totally perfect for most creative professionals. But they are missing out on the desktop enthusiast computer user. The hackintosh fills that void...and if Apple wanted to fill it, they could release an awesome desktop tomorrow that got to be updated every 280 days because they wouldn't have to wait for Intel server grade ship refreshes.

The hackintosh community is great, if you make yourself a rig, you will certainly enjoy it and save a lot of money over a MP. The speed you can get out of a Hack is just amazing. I just built myself a home server with the new sandy bridge E Xeon in it... 32GB of ram... Asus mobo. When it was done, I was like...HMMM hackintosh? haha

I say go for it... it's been like 2 years since Apple updated the MP, thats pathetic.
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Old Mar 28, 2012, 05:36 AM   #59
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Hi! Sorry to interrupt and divert this thread, but I read it with attention, and it got me wondering whether I could run OS X Lion/Snow Leopard on my current PC. Being able to do so would answer the conundrum I'm currently facing (I'll soon need a Mac)

I already have a pretty good PC (W3580 Xeon, 12GB of ECC RAM, an SSD drive, a great case, and a GTX 570). I use it with W7, mostly for 3D work.

However, it's a Lenovo S20, with its original, propietary (I think) motherboard, and I cannot find a clear answer as to whether or not I can install OS X on it.

I always find lists of compatible parts, but I need to know if the hardware I already have would work.

Can you point me in the right direction?

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That's what she said.

But seriously I'd rather not do a Hackintosh. Don't get me wrong, I used to build PCs when I was younger and enjoyed the process...however, those blue lights and fans with LED's and ugly curves need to go away on the PC side. It's just terrible design.

PC case manufactuers do not understand utilitarian minimalism. They are just engineers.
Hi SDAVE,

About you mentioning about terrible designs, I'm with you on that. As I mentioned earlier I'd been a loyal Mac Pro user for 15+ years; this is back in the day when I was using the Quadra 605 25Mhz (http://www.everymac.com/systems/appl...uadra_605.html). I just cracked open the manuals and started learning how to use Phototshop, Macromedia Freehand, Quark Xpress. But aside from that I wanted to make sure that I found a case that was going to be just as "air-cooling" efficient as possible and have a clean look and unfortunately I couldn't find one. That is until I saw this:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/produc...id=242&area=en

This was about about as close to a Mac Pro tower as I could find, but better. It (literally) turned everything around. This was the only case that uses Vertical Positive Pressure Air-Flow designing, that simply is not found in any other companies PC cases; not even Apple. Now if you really like the Mac look, you can settle for the Silver model, but since this is a Hackie, I wanted the black one as this (to me) is the "Black Sheep of the Family."

When it comes to all the lights and everything else you don't like, the great thing about this case (as in other PC cases) is you don't have to have that. You can just choose a case without the window. Me on the other hand I love to show off my "engine," like a Hot Rod. Like this case here:

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?h...page=1#1227850

It's the top few pics that show off the Silverstone FT02. Now to me, that is an amazing case. I especially love the digitally etched Hackintosh logo that was put on the side of the case. But even if you don't like this case there are others (although not as air efficient as the FT02 and other Silverstone PC Cases) that have clean, tight looking features that you would be able to appreciate. But anyway, these are just my thoughts.

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This ridiculous talk about 'Tutor'. It's hilarious. Like he's some kind of superhero trainer.
Hey Roel, Tutor is a great trainer and he sacrificed many hours to train me (as he's still doing it as we speak). BTW, I remember paying top dollar for this type of education... it's called college, but meeting and learning from people like him helped me to realise I don't need college, but the desire to learn and apply what is being taught.

Lastly, all I'm going to say is show me YOUR rendering scores... 'nuff said on that... :roll eyes:

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I don't know if I agree with that. The Mac Pro is a special case machine. If you don't need the multithreading, you probably shouldn't even be buying the Mac Pro in the first place.

I'm a developer, all my apps I use multithread. If you're in video, you're in a similar situation. You'd probably have a hard time naming a current video app that does NOT multithread.

Dude, if you don't need multithreading, you shouldn't be buying a Mac Pro. You shouldn't be buying anything with more than two cores. If you don't have multithreaded apps, you're in the wrong forum.

The reason Apple has been upping the core counts is because a lot of apps are actually multithreaded. Multithreading being some rare thing is a falsehood I see reported over and over here. Open your Activity Monitor sometime and actually look at how many threads your apps are using. iTunes alone right now is using 49 threads on my machine. Safari 19. Mail 13. Twitteriffic 8. XCode 24 (and it's idle.) (And all threads on the system will automatically be balanced across all cores, so yes, all those threads are being distributed across all 8 cores on my machine.)

Sure, they're not going to max out a 12 core machine by themselves, but most apps haven't actually really been single threaded since OS 9. People who suggest nothing multithreads are a few years behind.
I couldn't agree with goMac more on this topic. I use Final Cut Pro, After Effects, Photoshop, Motion, etc. and I need as much CPU cores as possible for my Multithreaded apps; especially when I'm rendering my final projects. That's why I have an SR-2 setup using X5680's and now I'm learning how to UNDERCLOCK; which to me didn't make any sense since I thought that you needed to do the opposite (by OC'ing). Well, how wrong I was. If you want more details as to the actual breakdown on this, then you should PM Tutor and he'll explain to you better than I can all the reasons why. All I know is that my apps now run more efficiently and faster with this new UNDERCLOCKING method. Not even Apple is doing this with their Mac Pros. So that's another reason why Hackies are FAR BETTER...
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Old Mar 28, 2012, 10:11 AM   #62
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it got me wondering whether I could run OS X Lion/Snow Leopard on my current PC
This is something I really do not recommend. It might work but there is chances the way will be complicated and maybe even impossible. You will probably start with the worst experience in the Hackintosh world.

The poster above you is 100% right. Start with the most common pieces on the Hackintosh forums.
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This ridiculous talk about 'Tutor'. It's hilarious. Like he's some kind of superhero trainer.
My prime learning principle: If knowledge is power, then doing with knowledge is most powerful. When I stop learning and using what I've learned, please pronounce my shell dead.

My superhero trainer: Leonardo Da Vinci - so I play my piano and other keyboards, trumpet, harmonica, sax and guitar and never neglect drawing, painting, programing and creating videos and 2d and 3d animations.

If computer performance is the game, then currently "Tutor" is one of the names. I'm a paradoxical contrarion when it comes to computer performance - make it slow to make it fast.

When it comes to health - shun medicines and embrace the natural - former diabetic relying on the norm - insulin, then developed a tasty drink made of every fruit, vegetable, and herb I could buy [I call my last batch VF 102], drinking it twice daily with breakfast and dinner, and within a year diabetes found my shell intolerable, so it vacated me.

When it comes to aging, view it as a motivator and opportunity to strive for physical goals formerly shelved - like dunking the basketball (now with goal at 9 feet, but my goal for the goal is at 10) - am 5'11 and will be age 59 in a few months.

When it comes to change - never say, "never" - we lack omniscience.

When it comes to challenges - never say, "can't" - I strive to be the best workplace problem solver, management trainer, systems analyst, network administrator, software developer, inventor, universal repairman, plumber, electrician, gardener, nutritionist, bodybuilder, basketball player, musician, artist and chef that I can be and thrive on the processes.

When it comes to being - never say, "die." Shells may die, but we're not essentially shells - a cancer survivor's spirit will live on, just as the parts of Leonardo's and others' spirit we choose to embrace.

But most importantly, always remember (and especially live by the rule) that we are our brothers' and sisters' keepers wherever, whenever and however they may be. We are this world and our actions and inactions define its state. Thus, I abide by faith, hope, and love, but when forced to choose only one - love always prevails.
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Hey Roel, when you have a moment please go here and see my new UNDERCLOCKED GB scores:

http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/593291

Now go here and look at what page I'm on:

http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/top?page=2

I never thought I would even get on page 50, let alone page 2. I'm now with the big boys.

Now the BEST Mac Pro hasn't been able to go over 25,000+ on GeekBench and with Tutor's help, I'm now able to do it at 33781, so... that makes my machine over 35% faster and less than 1/3 the cost. I think that's amazing...

PS - Again, I couldn't have done this without Tutors (as well as others) contributing their many hours to help. Thanks again Tutor...

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I'm now able to do it at 33781, so... that makes my machine over 35% faster... .
We haven't tweaked the ram yet. That should take your system's Geekbench2 score over 34,000 on a 24/7 setting.
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We haven't tweaked the ram yet. That should take your system's Geekbench2 score over 34,000 on a 24/7 setting.
I left a reply here:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...1#post14633261


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I enjoyed your post, it was a great laugh. Thanks for that.

@ SR2Mac

I seriously don't get it why you would like me to show you my benchmark scores…why would it interest you. I don't even have a Mac Pro or hackingtosh nor do I care about UNDERCLOCKING (why the caps all the time?) my computer. Your behavior reminds me of this great picture:

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.. That's why I have an SR-2 setup using X5680's and now I'm learning how to UNDERCLOCK; which to me didn't make any sense since I thought that you needed to do the opposite (by OC'ing). ... All I know is that my apps now run more efficiently and faster with this new UNDERCLOCKING method. Not even Apple is doing this with their Mac Pros. So that's another reason why Hackies are FAR BETTER...
Maybe I'm a little ignorant on this topic, ok, that's a given, but isn't the SB-E line, especially the 8-core models, essentially underclocked? Most have lower to much lower base operating frequencies than their westmere comps, but turbo above the max turbos or the westmere? Isn't the idea essentially to save as much heat as possible by keeping base clock rates low, and only bursting up to high clock rate when needed?
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I enjoyed your post, it was a great laugh. Thanks for that.

@ SR2Mac

I seriously don't get it why you would like me to show you my benchmark scores…why would it interest you. I don't even have a Mac Pro or hackingtosh nor do I care about UNDERCLOCKING (why the caps all the time?) my computer. Your behavior reminds me of this great picture:

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Not sure why you are here provoking people then. You just said you have no business here but yet, here you are. Everyone has been very nice placating your comments but i smelled deuce immediately. Please take that middle finger back and shove it into a dyke.
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... Isn't the SB-E line, especially the 8-core models, essentially underclocked? Most have lower to much lower base operating frequencies than their westmere comps, but turbo above the max turbos or the westmere? Isn't the idea essentially to save as much heat as possible by keeping base clock rates low, and only bursting up to high clock rate when needed?
Yes. Yes - they're, at least, twice the no. of steps in many cases. Yes, but mainly directed towards energy efficiency. They're also faster per GHz. Compare http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/...chmarks/#64bit (top of the line 2P 2010 Mac Pro average score - 12x2.93=35.16) with this http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/560566 (one 8 core 2687W - 8x3.24=25.92).
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It's too bad you missed the point. I was trying to show you the value of learning something different, that I now see has incredible value. No worries at least I (and a few others out there that over time will not only appreciate what Tutor has taken the time to show me) will benefit from this. There's a couple passages in the Bible that come to mind when I think about the last comment that you left me (and others to see):

Matthew 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

Matthew 7:6 ""Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces."

Again, it's too bad you don't see the value in all of this. Well, at least I'm allowed to reap the benefits, because a man like Tutor could have just ignored wanting to show me his method and say "figure it out yourself." But he was kind enough to show me how to not only do it, but also help me to figure it out on my own. People like him are a rare find. (Thanks again, Tutor... )

Lastly, I think derbothaus also said it correct by saying "Not sure why you are here provoking people then." Thank you derbothaus for pointing that out. I thought I would be the only one who saw that... Again, thanks... Later...

BTW Roel, please don't insult yourself and say "I seriously don't get it why you would like me to show you my benchmark scores…" You KNOW why I said that - I was "putting the ball back in your court..."

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Hi Tutor,

I see that PunkNugget gave you some credit and also looks like he was reaching out to you. Have you tried to get back in touch with him? His comment was left here:

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/ind...owtopic=277433

"TUTOR (where are you Dixie Man man, I've been trying to reach out? Call me when you get a moment)."

Do you know him?
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Hi Tutor,

I see that PunkNugget gave you some credit and also looks like he was reaching out to you. Have you tried to get back in touch with him? His comment was left here:

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/ind...owtopic=277433

"TUTOR (where are you Dixie Man man, I've been trying to reach out? Call me when you get a moment)."

Do you know him?
Yes. I've invited him to follow the CPU performance thread.
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Not sure why you are here provoking people then. You just said you have no business here but yet, here you are. Everyone has been very nice placating your comments but i smelled deuce immediately. Please take that middle finger back and shove it into a dyke.
Actually I do have business here. For the moment I'm using an iMac that has sufficient CPU-speed. The GPU is okay for now though a faster GPU would be nice (play some games occasionally) but the most important thing is disk space. I need more internal HDD bays, buying external disks becomes a pain. All the wires, noise, costs and no option for a SSD as boot disk drove me in the direction of the Mac Pro.

Unfortunately the Pro is very expensive (the base-model) and I have no need for Xeon processors but that's not necessarily a problem. Though buying three-year-old tech (Nehalem) for that amount of money is a little against my taste. And because Apple won't develop the more affordable fabled xMac I started looking on the mackintosh threads/websites to find out whether it's hassle-free. Unfortunately it's not as hassle-free as I'd like though but I might give it a try sometime just for having more HDD bays and a non-mobile GPU. Depends on Apple's offering of the new base-model Mac Pro.

@SR2Mac

You were trying to show me something that you find extremely important and shoved it via all possible ways (PM's seriously?) in my face. And now you show up with Bible citations…It suddenly becomes clear to me.
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^^ So confused. Thanks for explaining and keeping a level head Roel. I just quit smoking after 18 years so I am a little on edge lately. Please don't take any offense I thought you were trolling.
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