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Old May 3, 2012, 06:02 AM   #1
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Resume fixed in Mountain Lion? (Not talking about the check box)

Iím sorry if this question isnít right in this forum, but can anybody tell me if Resume was fixed in Mountain Lion?

In Lion, windows, that are closed, of running applications (like the Mail, iCal or iTunes main windows) open after a restart. So in the end, Resume always creates an annoying mess after a restart, for me, instead of saving time.

Thanks in advance!
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Old May 3, 2012, 12:14 PM   #2
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Yep.
Remembers your setting now.
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Old May 3, 2012, 01:01 PM   #3
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Thanks! Just double checking: You're not talking of the check box setting (I know this one finally works as well), but the actual windows that always forget to close themselves when their app is being started by resume, right?

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Old May 3, 2012, 01:32 PM   #4
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No, but only because this is a feature that apps need to implement properly for it to work right. Word, Chrome, etc still open new windows on startup.
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Old May 3, 2012, 01:52 PM   #5
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Okay, that means Mail, Calendar, and iTunes still don’t have it correctly implemented?
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Old May 4, 2012, 12:25 AM   #6
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Okay, that means Mail, Calendar, and iTunes still don’t have it correctly implemented?
I may have misunderstood but there are applications that currently deal with resume correctly (iTunes for example - will open back up in fullscreen after a reboot in Lion if it closed in fullscreen) and in ML they will remember not to open any windows if they were running windowless before a restart. Basically those programs have FS implemented correctly in Lion and will remember their states better in ML.

Other applications however, are not working properly with Lion resume. Chrome, for me, will always restart in windowed mode even though it's always FS. In ML they will still not remember the state.

At least that's what I understood from the posts - I could be wrong since I'm not a developer on ML. Also, it'll likely be time for me to move from Chrome back to Safari if that's the case.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:38 AM   #7
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Alright, I think I understand it. Mail, iCal and iTunes restore full screen correctly, thatís true. But as I often have no windows of those programs opened (to check my mails in the background for example), itís particularly annoying that the main window opens no matter if it was closed before the restart.

So if this behaviour is fixed for compatible applications, Iím all happy.
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Old May 4, 2012, 09:57 AM   #8
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After having read over my posts again, I felt it might be better to explain it with some screenshots. In Lion, it does not work as expected for some situations. Lets assume, this is how the desktop looks like:

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Note that this is the only desktop and there are no full screen applications opened. So we have Mail and iCal running without any windows. (You can ignore the minimised Safari window, this works perfectly well.)

Now, I restart the computer with the window resume option turned on. As soon as the desktop reappears, it looks cluttered like that:

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Even with only Apple apps running, it looks quite different from before the restart, doesnít it? I noticed this only applies to those Apple apps that have a ďmainĒ window. The pure document apps like Pages or Preview work perfectly well. And this is my questions (Iím asking again because I have the feeling I didnít ask very clear):

Are apps like iCal and Mail fixed in Mountain Lion? Or is the main window in iCal and Mail still being restored even if it wasnít open before the restart?
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Old May 4, 2012, 10:12 AM   #9
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i know what you mean, it's annoying as hell.
also, when i restart, it always focuses on fullscreen itunes.
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give me my desktop1 space plox
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Old May 4, 2012, 10:21 AM   #10
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Now, I restart the computer with the window resume option turned on. As soon as the desktop reappears, it looks cluttered like that:
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Check this out.

Not sure if this is what you're looking for.
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Old May 4, 2012, 10:30 AM   #11
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Check this out.

Not sure if this is what you're looking for.
Unfortunately not. I do want them to be restoredóbut correctly. I hope Mountain Lion will do it better than Lion.
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Old May 4, 2012, 10:34 AM   #12
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I tried this on the latest build of 10.8:

- Opened Mail, Safari, iTunes, Calendar.
- Closed all windows, but left the Apps running.
- Restarted with the Restore box checked.

Result: Calendar and Mail opened with windows, Safari and iTunes did not.
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Old May 4, 2012, 10:38 AM   #13
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Result: Calendar and Mail opened with windows, Safari and iTunes did not.
Thank you! That’s really a shame. If it remains like this in the final version, I’ll definitely disable if forever, then.

(I guess it’s because you would, in most cases, want to see the main window when (re)starting a single application manually by clicking its icon. But I’m sure Apple could do better and separate those two “app starting cases”. It just doesn’t make sense how it works now.)

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Old Jun 9, 2012, 04:35 PM   #14
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This has been annoying my hugely too. I can't believe this still hasn't been fixed! Luckily for you, I have one workaround. I used Automator (for the first time!) to make a program that hides mail if it is open, then set it as a startup program.
Annoyingly, it doesn't always work properly, because there's another issue with Lion where it can take ages to run startup items because it seems to wait for iTunes to sync with any iPhones/ipods first >:-|
It does seem to work more often when i move the program to the top of the startup items list though.
Ok, here's how I made it:
At the top of the workflow, add "run applescript" then paste this into it:

on run
tell application "System Events"
set myCheck to exists application process "Mail"
if myCheck then
tell application "System Events"
set visible of process "Mail" to false
end tell
else
--exit code
end if
end tell
end run

then I added a pause for 0.1 seconds, then set it to loop 20 times, so it will try to hide mail over the 2 second period it runs for. You might want to change this period, depending on how long it takes your mac to open mail.

I'll add a DropIr link to a copy of my app... which I'm not sure will work: http://d.pr/f/Alrd

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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:07 AM   #15
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Luckily for you, I have one workaround. I used Automator (for the first time!) to make a program that hides mail if it is open, then set it as a startup program.
Thank you, itís a nice idea, but by the time it starts, I have already clicked the window away. I guess I have to wait for Apple to fix it. Until then, I wonít use resume (which will probably be till the end of my life).
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