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Old May 4, 2012, 05:24 PM   #51
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Apple pushing technology forward, ATT holding it back.
sadly i have to agree with this lol
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:24 PM   #52
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Funny but you willing to take a hit on your credit rating?
What good is a credit rating when banks aren't loaning money anyway? When they do loan (credit cards) they want 20% or more!
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:25 PM   #53
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Love you fanboy guys. Apple making huge profit margin = GREAT. ATT&T making small profit margin = EVIL.
The difference is that Apple provides quality products that are worth the prices they charge.

All AT&T provides for their prices are crappy service, slow data, and more restrictions. If AT&T provided service that matched their prices, few people would be complaining about them.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:26 PM   #54
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*THATS* his regret? Unlimited data?

How about that waste-of-time, cost the company $4B in cash & spectrum, colossal strategy ****up known as the T-Mobile merger? That set AT&T back 2-3 years in terms of spectrum acquisitions for LTE and beyond. Not only did they lose $3B in cash they needed to invest in their network, they lost AWS spectrum they could have used to build out more LTE. Now they have to go out and spend 6-7B to get Dish Network's 40MHz AWS-adjacent spectrum and use that to match up with Verizon.

This mistake cost them $10B. I'm having a hard time thinking that unlimited data cost them more.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:27 PM   #55
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Love you fanboy guys. Apple making huge profit margin = GREAT. ATT&T making small profit margin = EVIL.
But Apple is making it's huge profit margin FROM AT&T= Magnificent Bastards.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:27 PM   #56
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Apple makes profit fairly. Cellular companies charge people ridiculous amounts for almost nothing. Being a company that charges monthly they are accustomed to force people to pay ridiculously huge bills... You don't get this attitude from Apple. Can you imagine Tim Cook saying something like this? Apple things have gotten way cheaper over time as technology gets better. Why should carriers get to charge more and more because they get more use? The more use should give them more business and more money... It's the mindset... If you cannot see this then you have no place on this website.
What are you smoking? AT&T building cellular infrastructure and has a whole company that supports that service. More use means a larger infrastructure and more people to support it. Usage is growing faster than they can build infrastructure. I'm not a big AT&T fan either,but it's business model makes more sense to me than Apple's - the later of which hold BACK technology so that we will buy the next device while they make 30% profit. Now THAT'S a scam.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:28 PM   #57
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That is crazy!

Hi guys! I read MacRumors everyday however this is my first post! I had to comment.

All I can say is SERIOUSLY! AT&T is raking in the BIG bucks! I pay $30 per month for unlimited messaging for 2 people. iMessage is not hurting them at all. Not everyone has an iPhone. Too bad Apple didn't choose a different carrier to start out with. What a creep!
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:29 PM   #58
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The difference is that Apple provides quality products that are worth the prices they charge.

All AT&T provides for their prices are crappy service, slow data, and more restrictions. If AT&T provided service that matched their prices, few people would be complaining about them.
This is YOUR opinion.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:29 PM   #59
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greedy
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greedy bastard is all I heard in there ....
They're in business to make money, not give it away.

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Well, he's right.
Would you think different if it was your company?
Exactly.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:30 PM   #60
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"You lie awake at night worrying about what is that which will disrupt your business model"

I'm sorry, but what CEO says that besides one that thinks they're getting away with something in their current business model? And/or has no desire to evolve.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:30 PM   #61
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I always thought introducing the unlocking service would hit sales hard as even new full priced iPhones could not be unlocked....

maybe next quarter we'll see a change in his disposition
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:30 PM   #62
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Well, he's right.
Would you think different if it was your company?
without the unlimited option, do you think ATT would have seen as massive of growth?
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:31 PM   #63
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Love you fanboy guys. Apple making huge profit margin = GREAT. ATT&T making small profit margin = EVIL.
I think about it's how they go about it.

I am all for companies making profits. But when this ass stands up and says I should have never offered something and backs that up with throttling, well the next gen iPhone can't come soon enough so I can change service providers.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:31 PM   #64
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AT&T isn't holding it back. They just want to charge you more for more data, so they can make an outrageous profit. Same as Apple.
If you say so. Had I been at AT&T I would have developed a iMessage, FaceTime, and Talktime myself and sold the App on the iTunes store and Android store before Apple came around to doing it themselves. I would have made money selling those apps and inter-connecting my users. Instead, they sit on the legacy models and then whine when other companies take advantage of the new technologies.

Their greed right now will only bite them in the derriere later on. They need to get ahead of the curve if they don't want to end up being dumb data pipes. With the way they are headed though, it's hard not to predict AT&T has nothing up their sleeves.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:32 PM   #65
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I reget unlimited data.

I instantly reget saying I reget unlimited data, now I look like a D-bag and will not sleep tonight.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:32 PM   #66
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I fail to see why it's greedy to worry about something which can cause bankruptcy. However, AT&T should adjust to the market and their users instead of whining about iMessage. It's not the users' problem (nor is it Apple's problem) that AT&T needs to reconsider what they charge for SMS. It wouldn't surprise me if AT&T are even lobbying against the existence of Skype and iMessage for security reasons (difficult to surveil).
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:32 PM   #67
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"[iMessage] is disruptive to our messaging revenue stream"

He makes a point about the variable costs and unlimited data plans, then he has the gall to try to link that to their pure-profit texting revenue stream, which basically has zero costs beyond keeping their cell network online.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:32 PM   #68
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lol, quick to call at&t greedy

BUT, apple is never greedy

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Old May 4, 2012, 05:32 PM   #69
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This is YOUR opinion.
Duh. Whose opinion did you think it was?
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:33 PM   #70
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Moron. Data plans were incredibly confusing back then, especially because no one really knew how much data they needed. So in order to have a nice, easy to understand internet experience, Apple pushed for a simple unlimited plan. For every person using massive amounts of data, there's 10 who barely use any.
That's great for the 10% who use a lot. What about the 90% who don't? You are basically wanting them to subsidize you. Lovely.




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Old May 4, 2012, 05:34 PM   #71
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The difference is that Apple provides quality products that are worth the prices they charge.
Well technically, one of the common criticisms of Apple is that they have pretty packages and form-factors but their hardware and specs are well behind their competitors... yet Apple still charges a premium for their products.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:34 PM   #72
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Yet you AT&T charge me more than any other carrier for basic phone service on all 4 of my iPhones yet the service is waning day by day.

My only regret was to agree to your $175 per line termination fee.

Signed a 10 year AT&T customer that will be no more
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:34 PM   #73
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Duh. Whose opinion did you think it was?
You stated it as fact.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:34 PM   #74
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Dear Apple,

Please just buy one of these jokers, sale the iphone on your own carrier and push the current cell communications model into extinction.

Thanks.
That is an illegal business practice in the USA ever since the break up of Ma Bell in 1984. A single company may provide equipment or content/network services but not both. This prevents a proprietary network from having exclusive content control over their network. This is also why you will never see Orange in the USA.
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Old May 4, 2012, 05:36 PM   #75
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As someone who owns AT&T stock (not intentionally, it's part of another fund I invest in), he's doing what he's supposed to do.

Not doing everything in your power to improve the value of the company for shareholders means he would be breaking his fiduciary responsibility to those shareholders.

That said, I hate AT&T's service. But I'm grandfathered into the unlimited plan, so I don't want to leave.
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