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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:41 PM   #26
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What a massive load of hairy horsecrap. What possible reason would Apple have to wait that bloody long? The parts are available! It's possible that the Mac Pro is waiting on the availability of GTX 670/680 parts in sufficient quantities, but the iMac? There's no reason for it to wait that long. I give it a couple of months, tops.

Also, what the hell was "new" about the Mac Pro today?
Or they are waiting for Ivy Bridge Xeons due in 2013 to include native USB 3.0.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:42 PM   #27
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"With Pogue's post today, however, the future of the Mac Pro seems slightly more assured."

Assured only for the hold-out fanboys who need to continue "to believe". I mean, come on, a two-year-old video card? It takes that much work to support a current card in order to get Apple's biggest, toughest, pro computer through another year?

Where are the high-end six-core and dual six-core options? The only that that the Mac Pro got was cheaper to buy. That's exactly what should happen to outdated technology being sold to clear inventory.

It's so clear that light-weight computers that high-school kids can talk to are where Apple's head is at right now.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:42 PM   #28
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No excuse for still shipping that video card in this "update.". None.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:42 PM   #29
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What a massive load of hairy horsecrap. What possible reason would Apple have to wait that bloody long? The parts are available! It's possible that the Mac Pro is waiting on the availability of GTX 670/680 parts in sufficient quantities, but the iMac? There's no reason for it to wait that long. I give it a couple of months, tops.

Also, what the hell was "new" about the Mac Pro today?
Completely agreed.

Has Apple gone collectively insane? Do they think people would have stopped buying yesterday's or even today's Mac Pro had they just announced publicly that they are working on a new one - instead of «leaking» it to David goddam Pogue??!

Nobody was buying Mac Pros yesterday, and hardly anybody will be buying one today. At least not people who need a Mac Pro, they already got something very similar 2 years ago! For more or less the same price too! (in fact it was cheaper before, if one is in Europe)

The «upgrade» today was completely disrespectful, insulting. So is not giving a roadmap for the Mac Pro.

Even more so is this dumbass leak to Pogue.

Mac Pros aren't bought on a whim and the average unit price is ~5000USD with the required internals (RAM+HD+etc) and on a somewhat steady upgrade cycle, one would buy the Mac Pro when one needs a Mac Pro.

One does not buy a 2+ year old Mac Pro at 2+ year old prices, with no roadmap, no guarantees, just a word from an unnamed Apple exec. to David dingaling Pogue.

Jeez.

A 2013 update to the Mac Pro, even if it is serious and impressive (which is somewhat optimistic) is too little too late. At the time the last real update to the Mac Pro series would have been 3+ years, almost 4 years.

Who wants to shell out 5000 bucks on a machine series that may or may not be upgraded every 3+ years? Anyone want to commit?

And it's guaranteed that the producer (Apple) will keep you, the customer, absolutely clueless on any future plans for no particular reason.

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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:43 PM   #30
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The Mac Pro in particular has raised the ire of some Apple fans because it has been several years since the last update
less than two years is not several.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:44 PM   #31
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Here's the link to David Pogue's post:

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/...ws-from-apple/

The article is weak and reads like an Apple press release.

Is that all the New York Times can afford as a columnist: an Apple mouthpiece?

And what is Pogue talking about? A release in 2013?

Come on! Professional users have been waiting for two years. And what happened? A joke upgrade: the same old Mac Pros with the same old generation processors with a negligible speed bump.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:46 PM   #32
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If it is true that Apple is holding off until a new hardware design for the Mac Pro is ready, then it is understandable that they wouldn't want to waste R&D on a new logic board on the latest crop of Intel processors. However, unfortunately Intel doesn't usually drop the prices on previous generation processors much if at all so Apple didn't have many options if they wanted to introduce an update that used the same type of processors but didn't decrease their profit margins.
What is Apple waiting for in 2013? Ivy Bridge-E? The one that uses the same Socket 1356/2011?
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:46 PM   #33
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I think the Mac Pro will get Thunderbolt as soon as a PCIe Thunderbolt card comes out for Windows PCs.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:47 PM   #34
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They used Pogue? Really?

Pogue was the same guy Apple used to tell video pros that Final Cut X was going to be great really really soon, and you didn't need industry standard stuff like EDLs anyway 'cause they're old and dumb and smell funny. If this is an attempt to quell uncertainty, they picked the wrong guy.

I don't trust Pogue, or that Apple is interested in the top end anymore.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:48 PM   #35
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The Tech Specs say they ARE using E5s

The Tech Specs say they are using E5 processors.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:48 PM   #36
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Check the store. Mac Pro updated today. Silent release.
Please pay better attention.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:50 PM   #37
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If you go to the new MacPro on Apple Store and hit compare .. it compares the new MacPro to the iMac 27" but it if you look at that iMac specs .. it does not exists ... yet ....
They existed. Well for everything but the RAM. Those specs are from 2010 iMacs. Apple forgot to change them.

2010 specs were identical, but shipped with 4GB RAM, not 6GB.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:51 PM   #38
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Here's the link to David Pogue's post:

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/...ws-from-apple/

The article is weak and reads like an Apple press release.

Is that all the New York Times can afford as a columnist: an Apple mouthpiece?

And what is Pogue talking about? A release in 2013?

Come on! Professional users have been waiting for two years. And what happened? A joke upgrade: the same old Mac Pros with the same old generation processors with a negligible speed bump.
Yeah, I don't get it, does Pogue really have to write like Apple PR?

And I completely agree, a 2013 release is too little, waaaay too late. People will move on, money doesn't wait until Apple feels good and ready to grace us with a proper Mac Pro update.

It's not like it's an expensive venture for Apple and indeed the Mac Pro has margins that match the iToys.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:51 PM   #39
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:52 PM   #40
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Just get a QUO Computer at least it's half the price of MacPro and they have configured some of these to beat Macs.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:52 PM   #41
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iMac isn't dead. That was never even a question David.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:52 PM   #42
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What possible reason would Apple have to wait that bloody long?
Because they can. Apple has masterfully put themselves in a position of ultimate power & they relish using it.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:53 PM   #43
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Here's the link to David Pogue's post:

http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/...ws-from-apple/

The article is weak and reads like an Apple press release.

Is that all the New York Times can afford as a columnist: an Apple mouthpiece?

And what is Pogue talking about? A release in 2013?

Come on! Professional users have been waiting for two years. And what happened? A joke upgrade: the same old Mac Pros with the same old generation processors with a negligible speed bump.

The hard drive and video card is the same no upgrade here .But the RAM is what they updated and made the CPU a bit faster.


Old http://forums.macrumors.com/attachme...7&d=1339442551


New http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...family/mac_pro


Also the price is much cheaper now.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:53 PM   #44
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Hey guys I'm still fairly new here.

Can I curse on this forum? (Serious question).

I won't flag you. Can't speak for others though. I might even join you.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:53 PM   #45
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:54 PM   #46
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LOL @ 'probably'

Apple doesnt care about creative professionals. If the last 5 years have been any indication, theyre going to kill off the Mac Pro. Its not like theyve ever cared all that much to begin with anyway. Not like Mac Pro users ever had a tolerable choice in video cards... todays 'updated' mac pro still has the ATI 5770, no USB 3.0 and no Thunderbolt.

Apple has its head up its a$$, there are so many professionals who would benefit greatly from a proper mac pro machine.....
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:55 PM   #47
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Pogue was the same guy Apple used to tell video pros that Final Cut X was going to be great really really soon, and you didn't need industry standard stuff like EDLs anyway 'cause they're old and dumb and smell funny. If this is an attempt to quell uncertainty, they picked the wrong guy.

I don't trust Pogue, or that Apple is interested in the top end anymore.
He's a leg humping evangelist masquerading as a tame journo.
Nobody takes him or his flagrant PR propaganda seriously.
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:56 PM   #48
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i say they will be released in October with iPhone and release of iOS 6
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Old Jun 11, 2012, 06:56 PM   #49
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The Tech Specs say they are using E5 processors.
No, tech specs say they are using 6-Core Intel Xeon E5645 processor, which is *not* an E5, the serial just starts with an E5xxx.

The E5645 is a Westmere processor and was released march 16, 2010.

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It's nice to have first world problems...
True. But as long as we don't over amplify the issue or equate to needing food and water, it's not too unreasonable to want an update.
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