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Old Jul 29, 2012, 02:03 AM   #1
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Anyone had improvements in speed?

There was something I noticed right away after updating to OS X 10.8. My Macbook (Late 2008) has ran smoother and faster than it since I got it almost 4 years ago. Recently, I updated it to 8 GB of RAM, I had the correct Boot ROM in which to do it. I had some improvements at 4 GB with Lion, but didn't notice it much after I put the last 4 in. Since my update to 10.8, my Macbook just seems faster. Safari is blazing quick. iTunes opens in a shorter amount of time. Just all around improvement!

Has anyone else had similar improvements with older Intel Macs?
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 02:10 AM   #2
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The opposite. I upgraded from SL and my computer has gotten much slower and is running hotter. I've had this computer 3 years, which I guess is a lot of time for a laptop, but it shouldn't be so difficult to get it to do anything.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 02:12 AM   #3
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I haven't noticed a change with regards to speed - although I think my battery life is worse.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 11:58 AM   #4
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I haven't noticed a change with regards to speed - although I think my battery life is worse.
I haven't tired the battery life yet. Although, I might not since my Macbook is getting up there in age.

There aren't too many significant items that I love about Mountain Lion. For some reason, my Mac is more responsive, Safari and iTunes are faster and it freed up over 10 GB of hard drive space for me. All in all, it was worth the $20. It's strange no one else has had great success with it.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 12:25 PM   #5
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Safari is definitely better, but compared to the OS that came with my MacBook (10.5.x), ML is dead slow. There are many things that are just plain sluggish, like switching Desktops.

Also I feel like the multitasking capability of the OS feels very shabby. Today, I was just syncing my iPod with iTunes and the whole system started lagging (even text input took a hit).

I really feel like Apple is just making random changes and UI effects without taking performance hits into consideration. My MacBook doesn't feel the same old reliable and robust computer anymore.

So for me, it is: Leopard = SL > Mountain Lion > Lion
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 01:06 PM   #6
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i've been reading these forums for a long time, but thought I would sign up to support the OP.

I have a late 08 MacBook too and I have had leopard - ML. This is by far the best OSX I have had on this macbook. For example normally when I have a page of safari open with a video the heat soak through to the aluminium top is massive. Now it is staying really cool. As a consequence the performance is staying much higher.

Animations are smooth, apps open quickly etc. And all this on the original 120gb HDD, but with an upgrade to 3gb of RAM.

I will shortly upgrade to 8gb of ram though and install an SSD to see it really fly with ML.

No doubt about it, this is the most superior OS I have used.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 01:09 PM   #7
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Much faster.

At first I thought I was imaginging it but ran geekbench 64-bit and found that after quitting all programs my previous high score of 10166 (which I achieved by trying geekbench many, many times and finally got that as my highest score) was beaten at 10179.

Not a giant blast of speed but fast enough to notice, especially in Safari.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 01:24 PM   #8
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for me safari by far got the best speed boost from ML, but either it is because of 6.0, ML, or combination of both. Battery life doesn't affect that much, other than it feels like discharging faster than Lion after I enable the Power Nap. It is also in the state of backing up things with TM, so I can't say if the overall OS makes the battery drain faster than Lion.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 01:42 PM   #9
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I'm using an early 2008 Macbook Pro (2.4 GHz with 6 GB of RAM) and I'd say performance has improved. It's still fairly early on, but total RAM usage seems to be less (although baseline processor usage seems to be higher). Programs like Mail and Calendar seem to be faster (perhaps due to removal of some features). Shutdown and login seem faster. Otherwise, I'm not noticing any particular slowdowns or speed boosts. I'm content with this.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 01:59 PM   #10
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I'm not sure Mountain Lion is on par with Snow Leopard on my mid-2009 MBP, but it's definitely faster than Lion ever was.

Lion started out slow as molasses, but gradually improved with each update. Mountain Lion feels like what Lion should have been.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 02:04 PM   #11
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My late 2011 MBP 13 is considerably improved with ML - everything works faster and smoother, especially Safari. The only difference I've noticed on the negative side is that it takes longer to boot up when turned off. Otherwise, awaking from sleep or lid-closure is instantaneous. No lag switching between apps either. Very nice!
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 02:21 PM   #12
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The findings that Mountain Lion seems to do a lot less page outs (or even none at all) suggests it's making much better use of RAM than before, provided you've got plenty of it at least.

People on stock RAM may find they don't get much, or any, difference. There aren't really any details out about low level changes in Mountain Lion so it's hard to say for sure, it's possible the changes favour higher RAM configurations more than older versions?

I do agree that multi-threading is still a bit wonky; I have particular problems with very high numbers of TCP/IP connections potentially causing multiple apps to lock up (those using TCP/IP that is), but that's nothing new. There also stills seems to be a ton of stuff going through the kernel_task process which is something that I would have thought could have been improved, since it can act as a significant bottleneck for certain combinations of applications, and it seems anecdotally a bit worse in Mountain Lion (that process seems to have even more work to do), though I can't really pin down why that might be, or if it's my fault

Still, I think most responses are favourable, with many getting a smoother experience with better use of RAM (so long as you ignore what Activity Monitor says). Some of the new APIs and updates to existing ones are very interesting for possible future performance as well.


I think that one thing that's important to remember is that Apple has already done a ton to improve performance of OS X since v10.0 first hit. While I'm sure there are definitely some further improvements to be gained, you kind of have to wonder if it's realistic to expect much in the way of further core improvements? Performance losses though are definitely a cause for concern if they affect older machines, but if you're not one on of Apple's current favourites then it's not always safe to assume updates will be better for you!
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At first I thought I was imaginging it but ran geekbench 64-bit and found that after quitting all programs my previous high score of 10166 (which I achieved by trying geekbench many, many times and finally got that as my highest score) was beaten at 10179.
In other words: ML is 0.1 percent faster.

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Not a giant blast of speed but fast enough to notice, especially in Safari.
Safari uses optimized frameworks, so it has nothing to do with the OS speed. In some scenarios, Safari v6.x.x should be up to 3x faster than Safari v5.x.x.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 04:16 PM   #14
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It sure does seem faster on my iMac but MacBook Pro, its only marginal.
And I do think it is faster and not just a bias.

Impressed but wished there were a little more features.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 04:54 PM   #15
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I have the MacPro 2009 and after updating I noticed a slight speed boost in Safari and not much on the OS itself. However, after running TechTool Pro I noticed a significant increase in over all performance.

* Disclosure: TechTool current version 6.0.4 is not yet tested to run with ML but I had no problems on two different drives. The 'test' routines such as memory test, video card test, etc. may not work, but the standard optimization routines work great.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 05:57 PM   #16
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Seems a little bit more snappy here, mid 2011 iMac,
also, it would appear to free up memory faster as I have fewer page outs.
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Old Jul 29, 2012, 06:03 PM   #17
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It feels faster to me. Although it might just be smoothing out some of the buggy animations that were in Lion.
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Old Jul 30, 2012, 06:52 PM   #18
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i've been reading these forums for a long time, but thought I would sign up to support the OP.

I have a late 08 MacBook too and I have had leopard - ML. This is by far the best OSX I have had on this macbook. For example normally when I have a page of safari open with a video the heat soak through to the aluminium top is massive. Now it is staying really cool. As a consequence the performance is staying much higher.
I had that issue too. Even when I made the jump from 2 to 4 GB, it was an improvement, but not much. Then I moved to 8, by the way this was all in Lion, it wasn't quick as I thought. It doesn't feel nearly as warm as it has in the past. No more skimping on heat for me in the middle of winter

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Animations are smooth, apps open quickly etc. And all this on the original 120gb HDD, but with an upgrade to 3gb of RAM.
Things open insanely, that's right insanely, fast on my Macbook. Apps launch in a blink. Recently, I bought Tropico 3 and it wasn't running great on it. After the update, built up islands ran a bit smoother than previously.

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I will shortly upgrade to 8gb of ram though and install an SSD to see it really fly with ML.
If you have the late 2008, make sure you check the Boot ROM on your Mac.

MB51.007D.B03

Some Macbooks can't do it if they didn't snag the firmware update in early 2009.

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No doubt about it, this is the most superior OS I have used.
Agreed!
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Old Jul 30, 2012, 07:01 PM   #19
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I got back the speed Lion took away and it's smoother, however it is still slower than new ('09 MBP). ML also led to some stupid glitches like a beachball when clicking on Spotlight, I need to do a clean install, but overall slightly faster than Lion, same as SL.
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Early 2011 Lion to ML clean install. WAY better. I had SL on this guy so I know how it ran.
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Old Aug 2, 2012, 08:47 PM   #21
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Definitely faster

I'll throw in my two cents in support of the OP. Also have the original unibody MacBook (2008) and was thinking it might be time to dump it before the ML install. I put in 8 gigs of RAM a year or so ago, but things had been getting steadily worse with Lion. Excel for instance needed to do a long page-in to complete a simple calculation. Excessive disk access for VM was very common.

ML is super fast. It opens applications massively faster than Lion, so much so that I don't think I really need to get an SSD anymore.

The only place I'm still having weird slowness is with iTunes and syncing, and iPhoto effects are still pretty glacial, but it's far better than it was.

I'd say it's back to running the way it was when I got it, maybe even faster. Certainly better memory management, but I suspect there is more going on too. Very unexpectedly happy!
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There was something I noticed right away after updating to OS X 10.8. My Macbook (Late 2008) has ran smoother and faster than it since I got it almost 4 years ago. Recently, I updated it to 8 GB of RAM, I had the correct Boot ROM in which to do it. I had some improvements at 4 GB with Lion, but didn't notice it much after I put the last 4 in. Since my update to 10.8, my Macbook just seems faster. Safari is blazing quick. iTunes opens in a shorter amount of time. Just all around improvement!

Has anyone else had similar improvements with older Intel Macs?
no change for me. it looks a little buggy here. especially with dual monitor. i normally dont rstart but over the last 72 hours, i restarted 5/6 times already!
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