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Old Sep 1, 2012, 08:00 AM   #1
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2012 Air Owners! Buying Retina 13"?

To the people that bought a 2012 air in July, you can't help but to be a bit bitter that (maybe) a retina 13 inch will be released just a few months after updating the air. I'm assuming the 13" would weigh in at 3.5 making it only .6 heavier than the air. Will you guys sell your 2012 air or hold out?
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 08:22 AM   #2
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I will hold out. You should never buy a rev1 Apple product.

The 15" rMBP has scrolling issues and lags when just using the HD4000 at times. If a 13" rMBP comes out it will use the HD4000 for sure. There's no reason to buy it.

I've seen the rMBP and the screen is gorgeous. I'll get a 13" rMBP to replace my MBA...but in the next revision!
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 08:33 AM   #3
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I will hold out. You should never buy a rev1 Apple product.

The 15" rMBP has scrolling issues and lags when just using the HD4000 at times. If a 13" rMBP comes out it will use the HD4000 for sure. There's no reason to buy it.

I've seen the rMBP and the screen is gorgeous. I'll get a 13" rMBP to replace my MBA...but in the next revision!
I wouldn't say never in this case. Sure the retina is a new product but it came from a tried and true design based on the MBP. The Air was definitely a revA product because it was a radically new design.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 08:38 AM   #4
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I might regret it if they released an 11" retina. But the 13" was never ever in my sights anyway so I don't really care. The only reason I got the Air was because it's like carrying a 2nd iPad with me. If I wanted a 13" I'd just stick with a windows laptop.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 08:45 AM   #5
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Not me, I bought an 11" Air this week and I'll be getting a 13" rMBP assuming it has a dedicated GPU. If not, I won't be touching it with a bargepole given how the 15" performs under integrated GPU.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 08:52 AM   #6
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Not me, I bought an 11" Air this week and I'll be getting a 13" rMBP assuming it has a dedicated GPU.
I bought the Air as well, but you won't have to worry about the 13" rMBP if it releases this year - I can promise you it's not going to have a dedicated GPU. That's why I won't be getting it.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 01:33 PM   #7
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Air is closer to $999, the 13" rMBP will be closer to $1500
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 01:53 PM   #8
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you can't help but to be a bit bitter that (maybe) a retina 13 inch will be released just a few months
Only if you are the type of person who must have the latest&greatest (for how long will u be the king of your block?).

Me, never buy version 1.0 of anything. Why let them work out the bugs first and me pay premium just to say I have something new for what 8 months? Meh.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 01:58 PM   #9
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Air is closer to $999, the 13" rMBP will be closer to $1500
This.

That being said, a 2012 Air would be easy to sell at a good price. IF a retina 13" comes sometime soon I'll check it out and then decide. I gotta say though that I had a 2010 13" MBP and now that I have the Air that machine seemed extremely heavy to me.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 02:58 PM   #10
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I'd imagine the 13" rMBP selling for $1799 or so ... not the $1499 the current model brings.

I also think 3 1/2 pounds is a chimera. The actual 13" will probably weigh in closer to 4 pounds.

Do I feel cheated because I bought a 2012 11" MBA and now the 13" rMPB is on the horizon? Not in the least ... they are vastly different machines, in my view. Had I bought a 13" MBA - as I'd originally intended - then I might be a little more angst-ridden. The current 13" MBP is severely hamstrung, in my view. If the new rMBP alleviates some of those compromises, there might be some justification for going back to that form factor. Until it does and has been proven, however, the 11" hits the portability and productivity sweet spot. I fear a redesigned 13" MBP won't come close.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 03:01 PM   #11
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I'm a little miffed that they're releasing it so soon. I was planning on getting the retina MBP until they were announced to be only 15 inch.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 03:57 PM   #12
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I just bought a 13" MBA, despite the rumors of the upcoming 13" rMBP. I'm more than happy with it.

My plan is to wait for the Haswell revision of both machines and choose an appropriate upgrade next year. Hopefully by then we'll all have a better sense of the product differentiation.

Besides, I'm already planning on getting a new iPhone in Sep, I really don't need more stress than that!
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 04:22 PM   #13
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I'm a little miffed that they're releasing it so soon. I was planning on getting the retina MBP until they were announced to be only 15 inch.
Not sure where you heard the actual release date...yeah some people are saying this year, but my bet is still next year as they just updated all of the MacBooks this summer w/ new processors.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 04:38 PM   #14
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I may jump at a 13" retina.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 04:44 PM   #15
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Don't think I'll be buying one unless my 13" MBP gives up the ghost, but even if that happens (and I hope it doesn't) I would just get a new MBP.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 04:51 PM   #16
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I'm getting a 2012 Air already knowing that a 13'' retina is coming out. Went to a Best Buy to check out the 15'' retina screen and was not impressed. I'd rather save the $500 or however much it'll cost instead of waiting and purchasing a similar performing device with a display that I don't care about.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 04:56 PM   #17
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I'm getting a 2012 Air already knowing that a 13'' retina is coming out. Went to a Best Buy to check out the 15'' retina screen and was not impressed. I'd rather save the $500 or however much it'll cost instead of waiting and purchasing a similar performing device with a display that I don't care about.
I concur.

I think the Retina display thing on notebooks is fairly well overhyped. I've got a 1920x1080 display on my 15.6" Thinkpad and that's plenty pixel dense for my tastes. Besides, the way that the OS seems to scale things, it doesn't look like you're able to get much more in the way of usable real estate for most of the stuff I'd give a crap about (i.e. stuff that's text-based).
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 05:11 PM   #18
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Ridiculous. The Retina screen is amazing. Looking at my IPad and then at my Air is not fun.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 05:19 PM   #19
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Ridiculous. The Retina screen is amazing. Looking at my IPad and then at my Air is not fun.
The iPad 3 has an amazing screen, for sure. Using it is such a pleasure in part because it doesn't have scroll lag and UI lag like in the rMBP. Having said that, I can appreciate how come the Air doesn't have a retina display, due to current limitations in battery and graphical processing. I can definitely tell the difference in display between the Air and the iPad 3, but that only means my eyes have become accustomed to the retina display and doesn't necessarily mean the Air is total crap. Granted though, 1366x768 is pretty standard fare.

I like the Air as a total package, and on the whole I like it a lot. Sure I'd like to see a retina Air in 2013/2014 if we can feasibly accommodate it without having to make much sacrifices. For now? The Air is fine and I have no urge to ditch it for a rMBP, given the price point differences.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 05:27 PM   #20
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I will hold out. You should never buy a rev1 Apple product.

The 15" rMBP has scrolling issues and lags when just using the HD4000 at times. If a 13" rMBP comes out it will use the HD4000 for sure. There's no reason to buy it.

I've seen the rMBP and the screen is gorgeous. I'll get a 13" rMBP to replace my MBA...but in the next revision!
I agree with this guy NEVER buy a revision1 product cause the 2nd revision will totally kick ass. Look how fast the apple stop supporting the original iPad lol
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 05:30 PM   #21
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So the iPad3 with it's integrated everything can push pixels at a resolutions of 2048x1536 and you people are saying that a possible 13" rMBP won't be able to push a few more pixels around? It will for sure not have the density of the 15" rMBP and if that model "lags sometimes" with the HD4000, chances are that the 13" with a lower pixel density will NOT lag sometimes...

I can understand the scepticism though... I just feel that people are missing the small, but quite important details. Everyone is comparing it to the 15" rMBP when the possible 13" rMBP will surely not have to push so many stuff around and I'm confident that the HD4000 is more than capable for handling the job...

The whole "revision A" thingie is quite dumb... so none of you got the iPhone 4? Everyone has iPhone 4S? Or are you all waiting for a second revision on the 4S maybe first? In order for a second revision to exist, Apple first needs to make money and see that investing in a second version is worth it... I understand the frustration, but it's not as if things come down to: "ohhh, noo!!! My 'revision A' notebook is not perfect... well, I just have to throw it aways since there's nothing else left to do"! If it doesn't work, send it back and get it replaced / fixed ( if that doesn't work either, get a different model / brand )... that's why WARRANTY exists. YES, it will generate some frustration ( it's not cool to keep on sending faulty products constantly back and hoping that the next one will be a good one ) but even with a Revision B, it's not as if everything will be perfect and it will have no problems. Revision B will have new, possibly not well tested features ( otherwise who'll spend the money on it? )... you are not avoiding bugs with a Revision B, you are just fooling yourself: "by then, they'll figure things out" ( they might, BUT they will surely create new issues that need to be fixed as well! When??? Revision C? D? E? ... )

I for one will surely be getting the 13" rMBP once it hits the market... may that be this year or next year. If you want to endlessly wait for the "perfect notebook", well... good luck with that! "maybe revision X will be perfect"... NOT!
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I agree with this guy NEVER buy a revision1 product cause the 2nd revision will totally kick ass. Look how fast the apple stop supporting the original iPad lol
Yeah, never buy the newest BMW, Audi, Mercedes or Ferrari models... they all suck! ( you think only Apple can make mistakes? ) The funny thing is that most people who think like you ( or at least make similar affirmations ), end up buying a revision A eventually ( either a few months later cause they can't resist the temptation or find a good / cheap deal or in around 1 years time, motivating their decision with something like: "yeah, I know it's last years model but I'm on a limited budget and I don't really 'NEED' the newer model... also the new model is not 'THAT' different / better and is not worth the extra $$$" ).

Great for you! Cya again once you come back bragging about how cool your Revision A notebook is and how you seem to have none of the problems others kept on complaining about...

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Old Sep 1, 2012, 05:44 PM   #23
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Nope. I think the air is a better laptop. Fast enough for anything I throw at it. Zero scroll lag. I think the screen on the air is beautiful (of course I lucked out and got a samsung display), Ultra light, great looking.
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Old Sep 1, 2012, 06:02 PM   #24
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PS: My personal ( and general ) advice: GET ONE, TRY IT OUT and if you REALLY HATE IT, then returning it within 14 days. Just because something doesn't qualify for the standards of some random people, it doesn't mean it's crap and you can't possibly be happy with it.

The 14 days return policy is one of the best things about Apple... Get one and try it out yourself! But then again, you are free to choose to let some random people's opinions keep you back from purchasing an item that could turn out to be 'exactly' what you've been looking for ( be it Revision A, B, C, D... Z ).

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Old Sep 1, 2012, 07:53 PM   #25
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I'm going to take a serious look at the rMBP. I might just go for one. I've got a mid 2009 MBP that is trusty, but perhaps getting a bit dated.
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