[Confirmed] Verizon Unlimited Loophole - Page 2

tmoney468 · Sep 13, 2012, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoolBradG

This only works for existing lines. Any new lines of service will force a change to a shared plan.

Ah, I see, stupid me. thanks for the clarification!

Mortalias · Sep 13, 2012, 10:17 AM

Awesome, this is what I was looking to do.

We've got 2 dumb phones on our plan and mine is the one with unlimited data (iPhone 4). Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly, I will upgrade one of the dumb phone lines (it's eligible) to iPhone 5, then switch it over to my line, and then reactivate the previous dumb phone BACK on the dumb phone line?

My real question is, how will this work with preordering? I am increasingly impatient over this

Will I just have to head back into a Verizon store on Friday the 21st and do the switching? Is it that easy?

myworld2008 · Sep 13, 2012, 10:19 AM

MY Chat with VZW support.

Please hold for a Verizon Wireless sales representative to assist you with your order. Thank you for your patience.
You are now chatting with 'Shelly'
Shelly: Hello. Thank you for visiting our chat service. May I help you with your order today?
You: hi i have some question about upgrading the lines on my account
Shelly: I'd be happy to assist you.
You: question one: if i order iPhone 5 on line 1 and 2
(which are non smartphone right now) then once i get the iphones can i change those iphone to other two lines (which has unlimited data rightnow)?
Shelly: Yes you can activate the phones on other lines.
You: so i upgrade line 1 and line 2(non smartphone) to iphone 5 and when i get phone i will put those new iphone on line 3 and 4 lines (current smartphone with unlimited data).
You: so the unlimited plan which i have on line 3 and 4 .. can i still keep that on new iphone 5s?
Shelly: Yes
Shelly: Long as you not upgrading the lines with the unlimited data on it, you will keep the plan on the account.
You: and can i remove the data plans after i activate non smart phone on upgraded lines
Shelly: Correct, long as you placing basic phones on that line.
You: ok so here is what i CAN do: just to make sure: I will order upgrade on line 1 and 2 lines with data plan 2gb each. then i will change new phone to other two lines with unlimited data right now and i will activate non smart phone again on line 1 and 2 and than i will remove the 2 gb data from this two upgraded line. All this is possible and i will keep unlimted data on NON upgraded line with iphone 5?
Shelly: Correct
You: ok thanks for your help.

SipperyPete · Sep 13, 2012, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortalias

Awesome, this is what I was looking to do.

We've got 2 dumb phones on our plan and mine is the one with unlimited data (iPhone 4). Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly, I will upgrade one of the dumb phone lines (it's eligible) to iPhone 5, then switch it over to my line, and then reactivate the previous dumb phone BACK on the dumb phone line?

My real question is, how will this work with preordering? I am increasingly impatient over this

Will I just have to head back into a Verizon store on Friday the 21st and do the switching? Is it that easy?

This should all work in theory and I confirmed with Apple support that you can order the new 5 using the dumb phone's number and then call VZW when you receive the phone to activate it on your line. My only question is whether or not you'll be STUCK with a data plan on the dumb phone since you just renewed the contract for 2 years....anyone know??

Cheers!

myworld2008 · Sep 13, 2012, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SipperyPete

This should all work in theory and I confirmed with Apple support that you can order the new 5 using the dumb phone's number and then call VZW when you receive the phone to activate it on your line. My only question is whether or not you'll be STUCK with a data plan on the dumb phone since you just renewed the contract for 2 years....anyone know??

Cheers!

you can just remove the data plan once you reactive dumb phones. read my above phone with VZW chat support

Mortalias · Sep 13, 2012, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SipperyPete

This should all work in theory and I confirmed with Apple support that you can order the new 5 using the dumb phone's number and then call VZW when you receive the phone to activate it on your line. My only question is whether or not you'll be STUCK with a data plan on the dumb phone since you just renewed the contract for 2 years....anyone know??

Cheers!

That's what I'm afraid of as well! However, I'm sure on that same phone call you can tell them to drop the data plan, which they will not fight since it's not necessary on the dumb phone.

It's a hard life for us Apple fans

(Not too hard, though

)

infinity12402 · Sep 13, 2012, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SipperyPete

This should all work in theory and I confirmed with Apple support that you can order the new 5 using the dumb phone's number and then call VZW when you receive the phone to activate it on your line. My only question is whether or not you'll be STUCK with a data plan on the dumb phone since you just renewed the contract for 2 years....anyone know??

Cheers!

you just tell them to cancel the data plan on the dumb phone line. not like it can use it anyway

CoolBradG · Sep 13, 2012, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SipperyPete

This should all work in theory and I confirmed with Apple support that you can order the new 5 using the dumb phone's number and then call VZW when you receive the phone to activate it on your line. My only question is whether or not you'll be STUCK with a data plan on the dumb phone since you just renewed the contract for 2 years....anyone know??

Cheers!

No, as long as you place a dumb phone back on that line you're free to cancel the data at anytime.

SipperyPete · Sep 13, 2012, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoolBradG

No, as long as you place a dumb phone back on that line you're free to cancel the data at anytime.

Good enough! Even if they give me any trouble, I'm always up for a good fight with a carrier!

Cheers!

doubleaa · Sep 13, 2012, 10:38 AM

So let me get this straight... I currently have two iPhone 4s with unlimited data plans. Both are eligible for upgrades. If I order two new iPhone 5s I automatically get converted to a 2 GB per month data plan and lose the unlimited?

CoolBradG · Sep 13, 2012, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doubleaa

So let me get this straight... I currently have two iPhone 4s with unlimited data plans. Both are eligible for upgrades. If I order two new iPhone 5s I automatically get converted to a 2 GB per month data plan and lose the unlimited?

Yes unfortunately.

ROLLTIDE1 · Sep 13, 2012, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doubleaa

So let me get this straight... I currently have two iPhone 4s with unlimited data plans. Both are eligible for upgrades. If I order two new iPhone 5s I automatically get converted to a 2 GB per month data plan and lose the unlimited?

correct unless you pay $650
+ each

doubleaa · 10:59 AM

That sucks. I do have a dumb phone on my account right now but it's not eligible for upgrade for another month. If I transfer an upgrade to that dumb phone I'll be stuck with it for another two years because the contract renews. I'm planning to drop the dumb phone off my account when the contract is up in a few months. It's not worth $240 + taxes the dumb phone costs to keep the unlimited plan in my opinion.

halfmonkey · Sep 13, 2012, 10:55 AM

So if I follow through with this loophole, do I get all of the benefits of the iphone 5?

In other words, do I get 4g/LTE or will the iphone be operating on 3g? Also, will I get the free hotspot? I ask these questions because on the new data plans 4g/LTE and free hot spot are part of the plans. Under VZ's old system, if you wanted 4g/LTE or a hotspot, you had to pay for it and so since this loophole allows you to get a 4g/LTE capable phone, will it operate with 4g/LTE and a hotspot since you're basically tricking the system or will it still be using 3g with no hotspot?

HeyGreggie · Sep 13, 2012, 11:00 AM

Quick Notes I took on a call from a rep.

They will try to move you over to a FAMILY SHARE plan. Which the basic phone will be $40.00 a month just for a dumb phone.

So with an iphone and an extra line would be $150 + 30 + 10 (iphone insurance) totalling $190

WTF?

DaveHuck · Sep 13, 2012, 11:05 AM

OK, so if someone can help me, that would be super.

Currently have iPhone 4 with grandfathered unlimited data (upgrade eligible 10/10/12). 4 other lines for family are dumb phones (all eligible for upgrade). 2 daughters want iPhone 4 (on two of the dumb phone lines), while I want iPhone 5 (wife and son will keep dumb phones). Would need to upgrade daughters lines to smartphones (sounds like iPhone 4's would be free with contract) with data and keep mine on unlimited (purchase one additional iPhone 4, with other daughter getting my current iPhone 4). Verizon is pushing me to Shared Family Plan (4GB shared) at $250/month with those upgrades (currently $135/month before taxes). Too many freakin' options. Any suggestions?? Thanks!!

KeanBurke · Sep 13, 2012, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfmonkey

So if I follow through with this loophole, do I get all of the benefits of the iphone 5?

In other words, do I get 4g/LTE or will the iphone be operating on 3g? Also, will I get the free hotspot? I ask these questions because on the new data plans 4g/LTE and free hot spot are part of the plans. Under VZ's old system, if you wanted 4g/LTE or a hotspot, you had to pay for it and so since this loophole allows you to get a 4g/LTE capable phone, will it operate with 4g/LTE and a hotspot since you're basically tricking the system or will it still be using 3g with no hotspot?

Good question. Does anybody have the answer for this?

CoolBradG · Sep 13, 2012, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeyGreggie

Quick Notes I took on a call from a rep.

They will try to move you over to a FAMILY SHARE plan. Which the basic phone will be $40.00 a month just for a dumb phone.

So with an iphone and an extra line would be $150 + 30 + 10 (iphone insurance) totalling $190

WTF?

I've said this repeatedly already. If you add a line, your whole plan will be forced over to a shared data plan. This loophole is only for grandfathered plans with multiple lines.

tigerfan41 · Sep 13, 2012, 11:31 AM

OK, I have a question (and forgive me if it's already been answered):

I currently have unlimited data on my line and an upgrade available on that same line. Unless I'm understanding things wrong, couldn't I transfer this upgrade to another line on my account, get the 5 on that line, then bring the 5 over to my line and keep unlimited data? Also, is this going to trigger a bunch of line upgrade fees?

jmo1116 · Sep 13, 2012, 11:37 AM

So what you're telling me is this: I have a family plan with 4 smartphones and 1 dumb phone. I have one upgrade available (a smartphone). I can transfer the available upgrade to the dumb phone, upgrade to iPhone 5, and then add a data plan to that line, then transfer the iPhone 5 to one of the smartphone lines and keep unlimited data that I had before?

HeyGreggie · Sep 13, 2012, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoolBradG

I've said this repeatedly already. If you add a line, your whole plan will be forced over to a shared data plan. This loophole is only for grandfathered plans with multiple lines.

Ah... THATS what it is... I have my own line on this account so pretty much at this point it's pay the phone full price, or add a $40 line to my current account. That BLOWWWWWS

What happened to the Nationwide Talk & Text plans?

aeronauticsrock · Sep 13, 2012, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoolBradG

I've said this repeatedly already. If you add a line, your whole plan will be forced over to a shared data plan. This loophole is only for grandfathered plans with multiple lines.

This is a major bummer. I thought I would be able to add lines for the 5 (at 2GB/$30) switch them to dumb phones, and move the 5s over to my unlimited lines.

Dang. Looks like you're screwed if you don't already have dummy lines.

From A Buick 8 · Sep 13, 2012, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeyGreggie

Ah... THATS what it is... I have my own line on this account so pretty much at this point it's pay the phone full price, or add a $40 line to my current account. That BLOWWWWWS

What happened to the Nationwide Talk & Text plans?

So HeyGreggie it sounds like we are left out of this loophole.

HeyGreggie · Sep 13, 2012, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by From A Buick 8

So HeyGreggie it sounds like we are left out of this loophole.

I would have to agree. Because only phone plans outside of prepaid is the share everything, and you'll lose unlimited data that way. Gotta come out of pocket with $449 AND stand in line [charge $400 to Verizon account].

I was thinking.. cool. I can add a line, but keep my data. Verizon are crooks

gman3042 · Sep 13, 2012, 11:55 AM

how would this work if its a family plan with 5 smartphones on it that has unlimited data? could i switch the smartphone out for a dumbphone, and then do this activation that way?

Sep 13, 2012, 10:17 AM	#27
Mortalias macrumors 6502 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Boston, Mass	Awesome, this is what I was looking to do. We've got 2 dumb phones on our plan and mine is the one with unlimited data (iPhone 4). Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly, I will upgrade one of the dumb phone lines (it's eligible) to iPhone 5, then switch it over to my line, and then reactivate the previous dumb phone BACK on the dumb phone line? My real question is, how will this work with preordering? I am increasingly impatient over this Will I just have to head back into a Verizon store on Friday the 21st and do the switching? Is it that easy? __________________ Proud iPhone 5, 13" Retina MacBook Pro, iPod Nano (6g), iPad 3, and AAPL stock owner. Apple Youtube channel
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Sep 13, 2012, 10:48 AM	#38
doubleaa macrumors member Join Date: Feb 2011	That sucks. I do have a dumb phone on my account right now but it's not eligible for upgrade for another month. If I transfer an upgrade to that dumb phone I'll be stuck with it for another two years because the contract renews. I'm planning to drop the dumb phone off my account when the contract is up in a few months. It's not worth $240 + taxes the dumb phone costs to keep the unlimited plan in my opinion. Last edited by doubleaa; Sep 13, 2012 at 10:59 AM.
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Sep 13, 2012, 11:31 AM	#44
tigerfan41 macrumors regular Join Date: Oct 2011	OK, I have a question (and forgive me if it's already been answered): I currently have unlimited data on my line and an upgrade available on that same line. Unless I'm understanding things wrong, couldn't I transfer this upgrade to another line on my account, get the 5 on that line, then bring the 5 over to my line and keep unlimited data? Also, is this going to trigger a bunch of line upgrade fees? __________________ Formerly Owned: Black iPhone 3G 8GB, White iPhone 3GS 32GB, White iPod 5th Gen 60GB (still works!) Currently Own: White iPhone 4S 16GB Soon to Own: iPad 2/3
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Sep 13, 2012, 11:37 AM	#45
jmo1116 macrumors regular Join Date: May 2010 Location: Alabama	So what you're telling me is this: I have a family plan with 4 smartphones and 1 dumb phone. I have one upgrade available (a smartphone). I can transfer the available upgrade to the dumb phone, upgrade to iPhone 5, and then add a data plan to that line, then transfer the iPhone 5 to one of the smartphone lines and keep unlimited data that I had before? __________________ Verizon iPhone 16GB
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Sep 13, 2012, 10:19 AM	#28
myworld2008 macrumors regular Join Date: Nov 2008	MY Chat with VZW support. Please hold for a Verizon Wireless sales representative to assist you with your order. Thank you for your patience. You are now chatting with 'Shelly' Shelly: Hello. Thank you for visiting our chat service. May I help you with your order today? You: hi i have some question about upgrading the lines on my account Shelly: I'd be happy to assist you. You: question one: if i order iPhone 5 on line 1 and 2 (which are non smartphone right now) then once i get the iphones can i change those iphone to other two lines (which has unlimited data rightnow)? Shelly: Yes you can activate the phones on other lines. You: so i upgrade line 1 and line 2(non smartphone) to iphone 5 and when i get phone i will put those new iphone on line 3 and 4 lines (current smartphone with unlimited data). You: so the unlimited plan which i have on line 3 and 4 .. can i still keep that on new iphone 5s? Shelly: Yes Shelly: Long as you not upgrading the lines with the unlimited data on it, you will keep the plan on the account. You: and can i remove the data plans after i activate non smart phone on upgraded lines Shelly: Correct, long as you placing basic phones on that line. You: ok so here is what i CAN do: just to make sure: I will order upgrade on line 1 and 2 lines with data plan 2gb each. then i will change new phone to other two lines with unlimited data right now and i will activate non smart phone again on line 1 and 2 and than i will remove the 2 gb data from this two upgraded line. All this is possible and i will keep unlimted data on NON upgraded line with iphone 5? Shelly: Correct You: ok thanks for your help.
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Sep 13, 2012, 10:38 AM	#35
doubleaa macrumors member Join Date: Feb 2011	So let me get this straight... I currently have two iPhone 4s with unlimited data plans. Both are eligible for upgrades. If I order two new iPhone 5s I automatically get converted to a 2 GB per month data plan and lose the unlimited?
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Sep 13, 2012, 10:55 AM	#39
halfmonkey macrumors member Join Date: May 2011	So if I follow through with this loophole, do I get all of the benefits of the iphone 5? In other words, do I get 4g/LTE or will the iphone be operating on 3g? Also, will I get the free hotspot? I ask these questions because on the new data plans 4g/LTE and free hot spot are part of the plans. Under VZ's old system, if you wanted 4g/LTE or a hotspot, you had to pay for it and so since this loophole allows you to get a 4g/LTE capable phone, will it operate with 4g/LTE and a hotspot since you're basically tricking the system or will it still be using 3g with no hotspot?
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Sep 13, 2012, 11:00 AM	#40
HeyGreggie macrumors 6502a Join Date: Oct 2011	Quick Notes I took on a call from a rep. They will try to move you over to a FAMILY SHARE plan. Which the basic phone will be $40.00 a month just for a dumb phone. So with an iphone and an extra line would be $150 + 30 + 10 (iphone insurance) totalling $190 WTF?
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Sep 13, 2012, 11:05 AM	#41
DaveHuck macrumors newbie Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Iron Mountain, MI	OK, so if someone can help me, that would be super. Currently have iPhone 4 with grandfathered unlimited data (upgrade eligible 10/10/12). 4 other lines for family are dumb phones (all eligible for upgrade). 2 daughters want iPhone 4 (on two of the dumb phone lines), while I want iPhone 5 (wife and son will keep dumb phones). Would need to upgrade daughters lines to smartphones (sounds like iPhone 4's would be free with contract) with data and keep mine on unlimited (purchase one additional iPhone 4, with other daughter getting my current iPhone 4). Verizon is pushing me to Shared Family Plan (4GB shared) at $250/month with those upgrades (currently $135/month before taxes). Too many freakin' options. Any suggestions?? Thanks!!
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Sep 13, 2012, 11:55 AM	#50
gman3042 macrumors newbie Join Date: Feb 2011	how would this work if its a family plan with 5 smartphones on it that has unlimited data? could i switch the smartphone out for a dumbphone, and then do this activation that way?
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