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Old Jan 19, 2013, 12:16 AM   #51
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I would agree with this. We don't need something more than 1136 by 640 unless Apple is moving to a bigger screen. 1080p is overkill by miles on a 4" iPhone 5.
My prediction is that apple will again double the resolution to 2272x1280 (easy for developers), make a phone with whatever larger screen size they want (somewhere between 4.3-5" to satisfy the people that love to hate decisions) and keep the 5 as the equivalent to the RAZR M. I called it when it happens, BTW.

People will still complain about the lack of micro sd, removable battery, widgets etc...

Oh wait... Those aren't cool anymore? Teehee.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 01:34 AM   #52
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My prediction is that apple will again double the resolution to 2272x1280 (easy for developers), make a phone with whatever larger screen size they want (somewhere between 4.3-5" to satisfy the people that love to hate decisions) and keep the 5 as the equivalent to the RAZR M.
im actually thinking when the time comes for apple to increase the screen size, they'll go with triple the resolution of the original iPhone. That'll be 1704x960 or so. On a 4" screen, that would be a 489 ppi. They could go to 4.5" and still be above 400 ppi.

Note that I'm not saying that they will go with a larger screen anytime soon, just that I think triple resolution is more likely than quad resolution.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 01:52 AM   #53
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im actually thinking when the time comes for apple to increase the screen size, they'll go with triple the resolution of the original iPhone. That'll be 1704x960 or so. On a 4" screen, that would be a 489 ppi. They could go to 4.5" and still be above 400 ppi.

Note that I'm not saying that they will go with a larger screen anytime soon, just that I think triple resolution is more likely than quad resolution.
Battery life will take a tremendous hit if that happens.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 02:01 AM   #54
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The retina screen is nice, but the hd screens on androids are nice too. the 1080 screens are really nice. Technically it's not 720p, but it's still really good.

And not to bash Apple (cuz i am an owner/stockholder) but as soon as Apple creates whatever the next "super retina" will be, the enthusiasts will tout it just as much as the android fans tout the 1080p screens.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 02:10 AM   #55
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I think you do notice differences above 326ppi on smartphones but it won't be a large difference.
Have you seen the Droid DNA or a similar >326ppi display? I have. Same clarity. If I had vision better than 20/20 (it's possible), maybe I could squint my eyes and look at it from 1cm away or something and notice a difference.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 02:49 AM   #56
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It's just a technicality

HD general refers to resolution
720p 1280x720
1080p 1920x1080

if you do some calculation

1280/720=1.777
1920/1080=1.777
1136/640=1.775

there is virtually no difference. Ignorant people are just trying to find something to criticize every little way they can
I actually felt bad about it not being HD until reading this.

1.775 vs 1.777 is virtually the same!!!

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Old Jan 19, 2013, 02:55 AM   #57
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It's 2 pixels shy of 720p. Even Clarke Kent would have a hard time noticing the difference.

No doubt the Apple detractors will remind us at every opportunity that is it not 720p.
Just as many Apple fans were quick to jump on any Android phone that was marginally less than 326 PPI. The stupidity goes both ways.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 03:01 AM   #58
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I actually felt bad about it not being HD until reading this.

1.775 vs 1.777 is virtually the same!!!

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You are wrong, there is a major difference. The iPhone 5 is only 1136x640 = 727,040 pixels. The bare minimum to be considered HD is 1280x720 =921,600 pixels. This means that the iPhone 5 is missing 194,560 pixels, far short of being HD. This means that on the iPhone 5, you get display artifacts when you watch 720p HD videos since it can't display it at the correct resolution.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 04:14 AM   #59
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You are wrong, there is a major difference. The iPhone 5 is only 1136x640 = 727,040 pixels. The bare minimum to be considered HD is 1280x720 =921,600 pixels. This means that the iPhone 5 is missing 194,560 pixels, far short of being HD. This means that on the iPhone 5, you get display artifacts when you watch 720p HD videos since it can't display it at the correct resolution.
So THAT'S why Youtube videos say HQ and not HD. :0
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 05:23 AM   #60
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You are wrong, there is a major difference. The iPhone 5 is only 1136x640 = 727,040 pixels. The bare minimum to be considered HD is 1280x720 =921,600 pixels. This means that the iPhone 5 is missing 194,560 pixels, far short of being HD. This means that on the iPhone 5, you get display artifacts when you watch 720p HD videos since it can't display it at the correct resolution.
Please show me these display artifacts. Because I don't see a difference in watching HQ on my phone as compared to HD on my computer screen. As noted earlier, HD is also just a marketing term, similar to Retina. It does have standard resolutions that were determined upon as being "HD" but they were meant for large screens at much further viewing distances.

I do not see a major difference in watching a movie in HD on my computer compared to that on my iPhone. I personally hate watching video's on my iPhone because I think it's too small anyway at 4". That's not why I bought an iPhone. All these screen specs are useless to me. Text is the only thing I care about being clear and they've got that covered pretty much.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 06:32 AM   #61
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As noted earlier, HD is also just a marketing term, similar to Retina. It does have standard resolutions that were determined upon as being "HD" but they were meant for large screens at much further viewing distances.
Yes, both can be considered marketing terms. However, HD (720p, 1080p) is an industry-wide term that is defined by a technical board and not by the marketing division of a single company.

What I'm getting at is that HD is universally recognized in the industry to be defined as X. It is more than just a marketing term used by a single company (Retina).
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Forget HD, BLU Ray smartphones is something I'd like to see.
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Forget HD, BLU Ray smartphones is something I'd like to see.
Blu Ray is just 1080p.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 11:13 AM   #64
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You are wrong, there is a major difference. The iPhone 5 is only 1136x640 = 727,040 pixels. The bare minimum to be considered HD is 1280x720 =921,600 pixels. This means that the iPhone 5 is missing 194,560 pixels, far short of being HD. This means that on the iPhone 5, you get display artifacts when you watch 720p HD videos since it can't display it at the correct resolution.
You are wrong and have no real understanding of the numbers. Your like the 10 year olds who call themselves smart because they can recite "E=Mc^2"

The HD scale does not apply to screens under 12" because your eyes are incapable of seeing the differences at that small of a scale. Anyone who does, suffers from placebo effect. Kind of like those car gimmicks on TV that add horsepower; many people swear by it, but testing shows them wrong.

Retina= smaller than eye can see. Seriously kids stop thinking your superman science will alway prove you wrong.
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You are wrong and have no real understanding of the numbers. Your like the 10 year olds who call themselves smart because they can recite "E=Mc^2"

The HD scale does not apply to screens under 12" because your eyes are incapable of seeing the differences at that small of a scale. Anyone who does, suffers from placebo effect. Kind of like those car gimmicks on TV that add horsepower; many people swear by it, but testing shows them wrong.

Retina= smaller than eye can see. Seriously kids stop thinking your superman science will alway prove you wrong.
I don't know if I'd say smaller than 12. Smaller than 7 maybe. On the iPads there was a definite difference between the 720p screen and the new retina. Same with the iPad mini. 720p screen but you would notice a difference if it improved. Cram those pixels any tighter though. You start to lose the effect.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 11:28 AM   #66
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I don't know if I'd say smaller than 12. Smaller than 7 maybe. On the iPads there was a definite difference between the 720p screen and the new retina. Same with the iPad mini. 720p screen but you would notice a difference if it improved. Cram those pixels any tighter though. You start to lose the effect.
UI and retina optimized apps are a different story. They would look better.

HD content would just be upscaled, no?
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UI and retina optimized apps are a different story. They would look better.

HD content would just be upscaled, no?
The iPad retina can at least play 1080p natively without upscaling. And I was never able to test the old iPad next to the new iPad if I could see a legitimate difference in 720p content compared to 1080p content at normal viewing distances. But since movies are largely only presented up to 1080p right now, making the screen any better (on the iPad) would be useless if that was your sole reason for improving it.

I think I'll go to a store in the near future and directly compare my iPhone screen to the new competitors to see the real difference. I'll see if they let me take some pictures with my DSLR. I'm sure that would be weird and probably frowned upon at a business.
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 12:01 PM   #68
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"The iPhone 5 does not have a HD Screen" was one of the first criticisms I saw of the iPhone 5 - closely followed by the assertion that Android phones like the GS3 and One X do, but the iPhone 5 doesn't.

I don't understand what this means? Can someone explain?
These guys just don't have a clue.

Samsung uses different displays from everyone else. In any normal LCD display, a single pixel is made from three subpixels (red, green and blue). Retina display is the same, the pixels are just smaller. Samsung however uses a substandard "Pentile" display. There pixels are made of two subpixels only, they alternate between pixels with a small green and a large blue subpixel, followed by a pixel with a small green and a large red subpixel. The number of pixels on the Samsung display is higher, but that is just an artificial number. The number of subpixels on the iPhone display is higher, and that is what actually gives you the display quality.

The reality is that each pixel on the Samsung display can only display 65536 colors, and these colors are from a very limited subset of colors. Every even pixel is totally incapabable of being red, while every odd pixel is totally incapable of being blue. If Apple was selling this, you would see thread after thread of people complaining how Apple is cheating them. Since it is Samsung, it's just fine.
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Wrong. The difference between 440+ppi and 330+ ppi is definitely noticeable. You will notice the difference the most when viewing websites in desktop mode. If you think this is just marketing then you are BSing yourself.

Second the iphone 5 display is not 720p and that makes a huge difference when watching videos. It can not run hd movies at native resolution and so it has to downscale the resolution to match the one on the iphone. Or it will add black bars around the movie. Anyway it decreases the quality of the movie.

But this really getting ridiculous. You guys are so defensive when it comes to apple products. Just relax guys! its not the end of the world
The difference is very marginal, i was at the Verizon store yesterday comparing my i5 to the DNA and i couldnt really tell a difference at all in screen clarity
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Battery life will take a tremendous hit if that happens.
Yeah. It probably would. But by the time apple is ready to do something like this, they would be using IGZO or OLED screens which use much less power than current screens. Also, battery tech would be improved by then as well.

I figure that you'd get the same battery performance or better in a thinner package.
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iPhone 5 = 326 ppi
HTC Rezound = 342 ppi 720p screen
HTC Droid DNA = 440 ppi 1080p screen


I guess we see where the FruitiPhone sits.
Great! I'll get the full benefits of that 440 ppi screen if I glue the phone to my nose so that I'm as close as I can possibly be all the time!
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I actually felt bad about it not being HD until reading this.

1.775 vs 1.777 is virtually the same!!!

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except his definition of HD is wrong. 1.77 is the definition of 16:9 aspect ratio, not HD. HD is defined by the number of lines in the display resolution. 640 lines vs 720 lines is a significant difference. Plus 1136x640 = 727,040 pixels vs 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels...26.76% difference.
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Battery life will take a tremendous hit if that happens.
Not if they switch to IGZO.

IGZO can display a static image (like the iPhone homescreen) without using any power, as it doesn't have to constantly refresh like other displays. In other words it would use power to push the image once, then that's it until those pixels change again.

It's supposed to be highly sensitive to touch and able to pack in really high resolutions as well.
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except his definition of HD is wrong. 1.77 is the definition of 16:9 aspect ratio, not HD. HD is defined by the number of lines in the display resolution. 640 lines vs 720 lines is a significant difference. Plus 1136x640 = 727,040 pixels vs 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels...26.76% difference.
I've tried using logic on the Apple loyalists in this thread already. They resorted back to denial.
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I've tried using logic on the Apple loyalists in this thread already. They resorted back to denial.
The majority aren't saying that the iPhone 5 is HD, just that HD resolution wouldn't make a difference on such a small screen. Do you disagree?
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