Go Back   MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:22 AM   #76
a0me
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Quote:
Originally Posted by realeric View Post
I would never give my personal location data to Google. They will sell it to advertisers.
So what? Do you think that Apple, Microsoft or any other company is different?
By posting to this forum you've already given info about you that both your ISP, MacRumors and their partners happily share with advertisers.
__________________
iMac 24"; MacBook Pro 15"; iPhone 4; iPhone 5s; iPod touch; tv
a0me is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:25 AM   #77
xxgilxx
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Meh! We can always fall back to analog methods like using paper maps, asking gas station staff and/or junkies roaming the streets for directions ( nostalgic sigh)...
xxgilxx is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:25 AM   #78
SpyderBite
macrumors 65816
 
SpyderBite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Xanadu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Macist View Post
Oh hell. So some iOS6 users could be without mapping for months?
There. Fixed that for ya.

Maps work fine for me and all of my co-workers who also have iPhones/iOS 6. So, it works fine where I am located and in 3 other cities I've traveled to on business since iOS 6 was released.

Frustrating when people insist on speaking on behalf of everybody with blanket statements in order to make their exaggerated point.
__________________
Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock
SpyderBite is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:26 AM   #79
a0me
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Quote:
Originally Posted by doelcm82 View Post
At "free" you'd get half the users, maybe. I have the google search app, though I rarely use it.

Of those users who would download it for free, many wouldn't buy it for $2.99 or even $.99. They'd say,
  • "How dare Google charge for something I can get for free using the web app! It's just Greed."
  • "I don't want Apple to get 30% of that money!"
  • "All the apps on my iPhone are free. I'm not breaking a perfect streak for this."
  • "Come to think of it, I don't use Maps that much, and Apple's version is getting better."
I'd buy a working mapping app for $10 or even $50.
Between a piece of cr@p for free (Apple Maps) and a paid working app, I wouldn't hesitate a second.
__________________
iMac 24"; MacBook Pro 15"; iPhone 4; iPhone 5s; iPod touch; tv
a0me is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:28 AM   #80
tatonka
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by entropys View Post
Quite so.
Anyway, realistically I find it hard to see how Apple could fix the missing info without first making the app available. It needs millions of people using it to improve it.
Actually I think most of the problems stem from very bad search algorithms rather than bad data (or a bad combination of both). There is a lot that could have been done before launching the app to avoid this disastrous start, ie go look for better data vendors, money should really not be an issue and make the local searches work.

----

That said .. Google should have a strong incentive to fight for the iOS userbase when it comes to maps. They have previously put out dedicated apps for many of their services and I would expect them to continue doing so. They want to be your number one search engine to harvest your data and send you advertisements in return .. it is what they do best.
tatonka is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:32 AM   #81
kamalsutra
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Get Nokia Maps...they're the best...Even Steve Jobs use them to find his way to his maker...
kamalsutra is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:33 AM   #82
brymck
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tokyo, Japan
So seriously, what is it going to take to convince the people who think there are no problems that they're just wrong? Your maps in your city might be fine. Mine aren't.

Here in Japan, we lost rail transit (which almost everyone takes in cities), station layouts, station exits... heck, around half the stations are in the wrong place! We lost bus transit as well. There are no good routing app recommendations, for what that's worth. We lost building names, which is essential because Japan has few street names and addresses are often based on order of registration rather than location. We lost Street View, which is sometimes necessary in a maze of urban alleys where GPS isn't always reliable.

Many POIs are wrong; most are mislabeled in some way at least. Store names are haphazardly romanized. Addresses aren't romanized correctly. Search translation is poor. We don't get Yelp (the local analogue is Tabelog). We don't have flyover. We don't need turn by turn as all cars have very good navigation systems already.

And the QA is abysmal. When Maps was released, Narita Airport was considered the location of Daio Paper. Until a decade or so ago, Japan had a different latitude and longitude coordinate system, so some legacy systems still use that. Obviously Apple didn't correct this, because a ton of locations have duplicates or triplicates several hundred meters away.

This is not because Japan is uncharted territory. It's been mapped and remapped by many companies, and Apple chose not to purchase that data. It chose to go with West-focused TomTom, which doesn't even tout its services in Japan. Zenrin or Yahoo! Japan are much better choices locally.

And yes, I have used the app, unlike some conspiracy theorists and sycophants here want to claim. And I'm willing to be patient. But as is, the app is a very long way off from being even usable in a country that has several different alternatives.
brymck is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:39 AM   #83
Superken7
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by entropys View Post
For those waiting for a google maps app: why? It can't because you rely on it to find your way to the exclusion of all other options. It might be OK while you have a network. But as soon as the network drops out you get no more maps.

If I was relying on a turn by turn app, I would (and did) get a proper navigation app where the maps are already on your phone. Like tomtom,navigon etc.
LOL, you obviously haven't used the Android version of Google maps, or haven't been paying attention that it can offline entire areas and will automatically prefetch all the navigation data in case you lose your connection while navigating. The Apple version of google maps was a joke, and perhaps that's what you are judging.
Superken7 is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:39 AM   #84
chr1s60
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: California
I'm guessing Google leaked this own rumor themselves in order to make Apple look even worse and in an attempt to gain the spotlight. I personally think the Maps application needs work, but isn't nearly as horrible as many make it out to be, especially in these forums.
__________________
15" MacBook Pro - White iPad mini - iPod Classic - iPod Nano - White/Silver iPhone 6+
chr1s60 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:42 AM   #85
andyyardley
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by entropys View Post
For those waiting for a google maps app: why? It can't because you rely on it to find your way to the exclusion of all other options. It might be OK while you have a network. But as soon as the network drops out you get no more maps.

If I was relying on a turn by turn app, I would (and did) get a proper navigation app where the maps are already on your phone. Like tomtom,navigon etc.
I live in London, don't have a car and i'm not from around here. I use the Maps app on my phone all the time to find shops and companies i'm visiting all on foot. I never use turn by turn as thats not really needed for walking. For me the iPhone is a map device with a phone.

As it currently stands the new maps app doesn't know where anything is (even the Stratford Apple shop is apparently in the middle of the Olympic Stadium) so it's totally useless for me.

Luckily as an iOS dev I knew about this mess months ago and haven't updated my primary devices aside from test ones. But it also means I can't put my sim card into the iPhone 5 and use it on a day to day basis until it works at least as good as the original maps app. And that includes street view which is really useful for identifying in advance exactly which building you need and on which side of the road!
andyyardley is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:42 AM   #86
Nightarchaon
macrumors 65816
 
Nightarchaon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidTheExpert View Post
Lol, it sounds like Google is just screwing themselves deeper and deeper into the ground. Every minute they waste during all this Maps hooplah is more lost customers.
Actually if i was google i would pull all my apps from apple, and make them Android/Windows 8 Phone only, let apple do without, in fact, id go so far as to make YouTube videos and google mail, difficult and clunky to access on iOS devices
__________________
iWatch in action http://media.joe.ie/wp-content/uploa...ael-Knight.jpg
MacBook Pro/iPad Mini/TV1/iMac/iPhone5
Nightarchaon is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:43 AM   #87
a0me
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Quote:
Originally Posted by tangerineyum View Post
I'm interested to know how apple maps is not usable to anyone. I deliver pizza for a living. and I use apple maps. No, i dont use turn by turn. All i need is the general area for my delivery and im off. And Apple maps seems to do that well enough.
Luckily for you you don't need to deliver pizzas in Japan. With Apple Maps you'd be out of business by the end of the week.

__________________
iMac 24"; MacBook Pro 15"; iPhone 4; iPhone 5s; iPod touch; tv
a0me is offline   4 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:49 AM   #88
chr1s60
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: California
Quote:
Originally Posted by a0me View Post
Luckily for you you don't need to deliver pizzas in Japan. With Apple Maps you'd be out of business by the end of the week.
I certainly would, I don't understand anything on either of those
__________________
15" MacBook Pro - White iPad mini - iPod Classic - iPod Nano - White/Silver iPhone 6+
chr1s60 is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 05:52 AM   #89
a0me
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Quote:
Originally Posted by brymck View Post
So seriously, what is it going to take to convince the people who think there are no problems that they're just wrong? Your maps in your city might be fine. Mine aren't.

Here in Japan, we lost rail transit (which almost everyone takes in cities), station layouts, station exits... heck, around half the stations are in the wrong place! We lost bus transit as well. There are no good routing app recommendations, for what that's worth. We lost building names, which is essential because Japan has few street names and addresses are often based on order of registration rather than location. We lost Street View, which is sometimes necessary in a maze of urban alleys where GPS isn't always reliable.

Many POIs are wrong; most are mislabeled in some way at least. Store names are haphazardly romanized. Addresses aren't romanized correctly. Search translation is poor. We don't get Yelp (the local analogue is Tabelog). We don't have flyover. We don't need turn by turn as all cars have very good navigation systems already.

And the QA is abysmal. When Maps was released, Narita Airport was considered the location of Daio Paper. Until a decade or so ago, Japan had a different latitude and longitude coordinate system, so some legacy systems still use that. Obviously Apple didn't correct this, because a ton of locations have duplicates or triplicates several hundred meters away.

This is not because Japan is uncharted territory. It's been mapped and remapped by many companies, and Apple chose not to purchase that data. It chose to go with West-focused TomTom, which doesn't even tout its services in Japan. Zenrin or Yahoo! Japan are much better choices locally.

And yes, I have used the app, unlike some conspiracy theorists and sycophants here want to claim. And I'm willing to be patient. But as is, the app is a very long way off from being even usable in a country that has several different alternatives.
Just to add to the list, some locations show up in Korean or in Chinese for no apparent reason. It'd be something like having a map of San Francisco with a couple of landmarks in Arabic language or Russian.

__________________
iMac 24"; MacBook Pro 15"; iPhone 4; iPhone 5s; iPod touch; tv
a0me is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:01 AM   #90
opq
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
I live in Canada and the maps here have been pretty good in general though I do miss seeing more street labels from a zoomed out view.

The street i live on has changed for at least 3 years, along with a new on ramp to the nearby freeway. Reported them to Apple on Day 1 of iOS launch but no changes yet. To be fair Google updated my street albeit incorrectly, though their maps team replied and fixed it in a few days...

Seriously, POIs only from Yelp? No wonder most of what I see are restaurants, useless..
opq is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:04 AM   #91
Neodym
macrumors 65816
 
Neodym's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Quote:
Originally Posted by justindocanto View Post
Think of it this way... If people start jumping ship on iOS because the maps sucks, Google might win a few extra Android sales. They really have no reason to make an maps app for iOS. What benefit would they have?
They earn money on advertisement (among others). Each additional user - no matter which platform - gives them more weight in the market. It's all about influence and (commercial) power...
Neodym is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:04 AM   #92
Bernaka
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by daviesap View Post
Apple are beginning to look really stupid over this.

Their maps are embarassingly bad - if they were on an Android phone they would be a laughing stock.

Really - Duncaster?

It reeks of arrogance
U from Dunny? lol
Bernaka is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:07 AM   #93
opq
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neodym View Post
They earn money on advertisement (among others). Each additional user - no matter which platform - gives them more weight in the market. It's all about influence and (commercial) power...
Yeah, Google wants to know EVERYONEs whereabouts on the web. Of course, having a population where they can harvest all data related to their phone is even better (Android), but for other platforms, at least they are searching with Google and mapping with Google and emailing with Gmail.. Still a lot of rich tracking information..
opq is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:07 AM   #94
ikkejick
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Seems like I'm going to use my HTC HD2 (with android) as a navigation system once my iPhone 5 comes in

It's better to have best of both worlds. Both operating systems/companies have it's strengths and weaknesses..
ikkejick is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:11 AM   #95
opq
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
I should also add, wasn't Schmidt himself stripped of CEOship? Amazing he's still with Google even after their founders wanted the job back...
opq is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:19 AM   #96
nexsta
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Now this is a good reason to jailbreak.
nexsta is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:20 AM   #97
G4DP
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Good on them for not doing so. It's time someone made Apple feel uncomfortable for a while. They created this stupid mess, let the deal with it. Why should another company come an bail them out.

You reap what you sow. This is Karma of the most perfect order.
__________________
Apple wouldn't know a cartographer if they stabbed them with a pair of compass' in the backside!
G4DP is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:22 AM   #98
Veinticinco
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Europe
Quote:
Originally Posted by a0me View Post
Just to add to the list, some locations show up in Korean or in Chinese for no apparent reason. It'd be something like having a map of San Francisco with a couple of landmarks in Arabic language or Russian.

Image
That is hilarious. Embarrassing but hilarious nonetheless.
Veinticinco is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:25 AM   #99
Gruber
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by realeric View Post
I would never give my personal location data to Google. They will sell it to advertisers.
Actually, no. I happen to know advertisers that would love to buy that data from Google, but Google keeps the ad business to its own. Google does not sell user data.
Gruber is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 25, 2012, 06:30 AM   #100
CplBadboy
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland
Lets hope its sooner rather than later. As usual, its the customer that suffers because Apple cant man up and say they have messed up and they keep quiet about the whole scenario.
Just release GMaps back onto the App store. I bet when they have the event in October, Tim Cook will come out blazing telling us all how customers just love the new flyover feature in Apple maps, they are just GOOOORGEOUS, they dont work for **** but our customers love them! Thankfully adding the Google Maps bookmark to the homescreen is a real life saver.
__________________
27" iMac 3.5Ghz, 24GB RAM, 3TB FD, OS XMavericks, Windows 8.1 | MBA 1.7Ghz i7 | 8GB RAM | 500GB, Blackbook 2.16Ghz | 4GB RAM | 750GB Momentus XT HDD 2nd Gen | OS X Lion | AppleTV 2 | iPhone 4s
CplBadboy is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Google Removes Google+ Local App From the App Store Following Integration into Google Maps MacRumors iOS Blog Discussion 18 Aug 1, 2013 12:47 AM
Google Employees Suggest Apple Approval of Google Maps App 'Unlikely' MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 253 Nov 7, 2012 03:45 AM
Eric Schmidt: Google Hasnít Submitted A Native Google Maps App To Apple (Yet) mcfinch iPhone 4 Sep 25, 2012 04:12 AM
Google Said to Have Already Submitted Native iOS Maps App to Apple [Updated] MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 261 Sep 22, 2012 01:23 PM
Google submitted new maps app to the app store? Nope. D-Back iOS 6 2 Sep 20, 2012 09:47 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:13 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC