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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:48 AM   #126
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If this will allow Apple to increase their profit margins, I'm totally in favor of it!
its the complete opposite. this will slightly cut apples profit margins
in the industry, samsung provides by far the cheapest while also capable of such volume.

to be honest, i dont care where my display comes from, but if this kind of activity affects the quality of apple products, then I'm NOT HAPPY
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:49 AM   #127
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Nonetheless, it probably isn't a good idea to be too reliant upon a competitor. Apple seems to be replacing Samsung with multiple suppliers. That is good business sense.
It was in response to saying it would hurt Samsung more than Apple. I see your point but the reality is at the moment Apple will be using second and third tier suppliers. And Samsung won't be sitting idly by and will continue to innovate.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:49 AM   #128
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You do realize that Apple is only a few percent of Samsung's business, right?
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:49 AM   #129
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That's because it doesn't. Samsung's competitors will get some major revenues, and a huge customer who tends to be a pain - but that's the kind of customer that makes you improve your products. And if they have any financial problems, they will have an investor.
It's a question of quality. It's no secret that Samsung are the best at displays.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:50 AM   #130
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Maybe Apple is requiring LG (and others) to step up their quality. (I hope), if so, then this could turn out better for everyone as LG would have stronger incentive to do so, and hopefully the quality increase would spill over into their other products making them more competitive with Samsung's display division across the board.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:51 AM   #131
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Samsung does something like $5-7 billion a year in contracts with Apple. It's only a few percent of their total revenue.
This gets posted every time.

Fact is they need to replace those few percent

In general a bad move by both companies and an emotional instead of business decision.

More understandable from Apple's part though.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:51 AM   #132
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Who cares?
the fan boys who think apple is the sole reason samsung is making money
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:51 AM   #133
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Who cares?
Well 1) you do - you posted. 2) he was posting in response to someone suggesting that it was bad news for Samsung - so completely relevant. 3) I would say over 100 comments in this thread indicate a few more people "care."
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:51 AM   #134
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That's good news. I hope Apple sticks with Sharp, the leader in LCD panels. Most of the technological breakthrough's in LCD panels came from Sharp. But Samsung won the market by its low price.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:51 AM   #135
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Already it's a crapshoot whether you get an LG or Samsung display on a MacBook. Anyway, the new iPhone 5 display is superior to the one on the 4S regardless of who is making it. It's a matter of calibration.
It might be a crapshoot, but as someone with the Samsung-side of the crapshoot on my rMBP, I'm a happy customer. If I'd have received an LG screen, I would have returned this and Apple would be out $2500.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:51 AM   #136
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At the expense of customer satisfaction? Good one.

Have you seen the difference between Samsung & LG displays for example?
I haven't. Can you or others point out some studies that show a trend or statistically significant difference in the quality?

I would really like to understand if someone has actually done some analysis on this is a comprehensive way or is it just people on internet forums citing the same anecdotal examples over and over again therefore creating "lots of people reporting display problems with XX producer" noise.

Honestly wondering if there really is a difference or not.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:52 AM   #137
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Several Chinese Samsungs in the future, is a possibility. But Samsung is a threat here-and-now. By spreading out the supply chain Apple at least moves the goal posts a couple years out. Perhaps by then Apple will be so entrenched in the education system or businesses with iPads that their IP won't allow them to be displaced with knockoffs.
And that's a good thing? We want Apple to pretty much have a Windows-like domination over a particular space? That's the goal? How is that good for us consumers when one company pretty much owns an entire space?
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:53 AM   #138
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Disagree. Apple need to learn how to work with companies.
Apple knows that. Pay them good money for good products. Sue them if they rip you off. Samsung had a 130 page document describing in detail what changes to make in their software because iOS was better.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:53 AM   #139
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And Samsung makes fungible commodities that Apple can get elsewhere with zero effect on their bottom line.
Remember that when you get a second rate SSD on your MBP. And flash memory in your MBA. And a poor panel on your iPad.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:53 AM   #140
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Maybe Apple is requiring LG (and others) to step up their quality. (I hope), if so, then this could turn out better for everyone as LG would have stronger incentive to do so, and hopefully the quality increase would spill over into their other products making them more competitive with Samsung's display division across the board.
LG has never made the best screens in the industry, what apple is counting on is the Japan Display to become a major player in the LCD wars. Risky bet imo, best thing for us Apple fan boys is a company like Samsung who has a track record of building consistent quality displays in a large scale.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:54 AM   #141
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It's a question of quality. It's no secret that Samsung are the best at displays.
Samsung aren't producing anything like the best displays either in tvs or monitors.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:54 AM   #142
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I haven't. Can you or others point out some studies that show a trend or statistically significant difference in the quality?

I would really like to understand if someone has actually done some analysis on this is a comprehensive way or is it just people on internet forums citing the same anecdotal examples over and over again therefore creating "lots of people reporting display problems with XX producer" noise.

Honestly wondering if there really is a difference or not.
Just search in the MBA forum! There's quite a few threads doing comparisons etc. Search "LG vs Samsung" or something like that.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:54 AM   #143
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Remember that when you get a second rate SSD on your MBP. And flash memory in your MBA. And a poor panel on your iPad.
you left out "and waiting several weeks because of shipping delays"
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:55 AM   #144
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Who cares?
And another defender to the rescue! My post was a bit of a reality check for those who seem to think that Samsung will collapse without Apple. I know it's hard to believe, but the world doesn't revolve around Apple.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:55 AM   #145
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Apple can get away with just about anything, and people keep buying and buying and buying, because they know that owning Apple products means that they are cooler and better than other people.
I suggest using the sarcasm smiley.

Else if you really feel this way, I suggest replacing the "i" in your name with "GetA"
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Samsung aren't producing anything like the best displays either in tvs or monitors.
They produce the best panels for consumer gadgets/devices/computers.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:55 AM   #147
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Samsung makes $1/4 trillion in revenue every year. I doubt they will cry much.
Right. And while both mobile and desktop market booming, they will have little trouble disposing their high quality competitively priced components. Big mistake, Apple.

Apple's consumer can also kiss good buy to the next generation of OLED displays since only Samsung can produce these in mass quantities.
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Old Oct 22, 2012, 09:57 AM   #148
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Apple doesn't just "buy" panels from display manufacturers. They partner on a technology level and invest $$$ heavily in their supply partners to bring to market the best products possible and maintain a high quality standard. While this may put temporary pressure on Apple in the short/mid term, it open a HUGE door to Samsung's competitors which will now benefit from the same relationship and investment it once received from Apple years ago.
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They produce the best panels for consumer gadgets/devices/computers.
Don't know much about the mobile market, but for monitors and tv's they absolutely don't. At all.
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Right. And while both mobile and desktop market booming, they will have little trouble disposing their high quality competitively priced components. Big mistake, Apple.

Apple's consumer can also kiss good buy to the next generation of OLED displays since only Samsung can produce these in mass quantities.
Well you KNOW what's going to happen, right? Once they are no longer using Samsung screens - Apple will market whatever technology they are using as superior - regardless if true or not.

You know "XXX types of screens aren't good for anything. We chose not to use that technology because it just provides an inferior experience"

Or something like that
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