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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:21 PM   #76
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I think Amazon is making a mistake by giving Apple so much free advertising. The vast majority of consumers don't even know that the mini launched, and if they start researching and reading the reviews as a result of learning about it on Amazon's site, I think many will opt for the mini instead.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:21 PM   #77
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There is something wrong when you can put the same number of pixels in a 4" Android phone as in a 70" TV and give them both the same name.

At that point the term has lost all meaning.
Not at all. HD simply refers to the number of pixels in a screen of any size. The screens that are called HD should look equally as sharp because they will be viewed at different (appropriate for the device in question) distances.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:22 PM   #78
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1024x768 is NOT "standard definition" which means 640x480 or at best 854x480.

With more than 720 lines, you could consider it "HD". (It's only about 15% less pixels than 720p.)

And yes, you can watch HD movies on it just fine with minimal quality difference.

Apple should demand they take this down.
edit: 1280x720 is HD so 1024x768 doesn't meet it.

Moreover 1st point mention pixel density, 2nd point... again pixel density!? You already mention that!

The speaker thing, nearly irrelevant, and now they have to eat their own words.

Ultra fast MIMO and Wifi? And no mention on Wifi and 3G on the iPad!? Really?

Who made this ad? The guys that made it should be fired for so many reasons!
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:26 PM   #79
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1024x768 is NOT "standard definition" which means 640x480 or at best 854x480.

With more than 720 lines, you could consider it "HD". (It's only about 15% less pixels than 720p.)

And yes, you can watch HD movies on it just fine with minimal quality difference.

Apple should demand they take this down.
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NO.

I am sick and tired of corporations manipulating the definition of words and phrases to suit their needs. 720p is NOT HD, unless the H stands for half-a$$. It's 1080p. 4G is NOT HSPA+ or WiMAX, it's LTE running at 100Mbps.

Apple can choose to put an HD screen in their iPad mini or keep their mouths closed when others point out their lack of one. They've chosen the latter. Now OWN IT.
Actually, it falls under EDTV, it is not HD or SD. Which is a middle classification that has seldom been seen by the non-AV-nerd crowd. But that's only for TV, most things done on a tablet are not TV, afaik. So that is called XGA, as it is mainly a computer resolution.

Enhanced Definition.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:26 PM   #80
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So true, I really don't get that comparison!

They both can play 720p, and the Kindle Fire HD at 1280800 cannot lift its status as HD and against the iPad mini when can still play 720p (probably with bigger black bars?).

Moreover 1st point mention pixel density, 2nd point... again pixel density!? You already mention that!

No HD movie or TV on iPad? Ehm... iTunes? Hulu? Netflix?

The speaker thing, nearly irrelevant, and now they have to eat their own words.

Ultra fast MIMO and Wifi? And no mention on Wifi and 3G on the iPad!? Really?

Who made this ad? The guys that made it should be fired for so many reasons!
1024x768 is definitely not HD, and is low res. The max resolution it can display, despite the source, is 1024x600. That's not HD.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:27 PM   #81
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technically Amazon might be right. Kindle HD has dual speakers for each channel, while ipad mini has one (mono) speaker for each channel.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:29 PM   #82
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1024x768 is definitely not HD, and is low res. The max resolution it can display, despite the source, is 1024x600. That's not HD.
See above. But calling it "low-res" is silly.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:30 PM   #83
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Ultra fast MIMO and Wifi? And no mention on Wifi and 3G on the iPad!? Really?
They are comparing models that are roughly equivalent.

wifi with wifi, cellular with cellular

If they compared a wifi to a cellular model or vice versa you'd get people whining about it be deceptive and not a fair comparison.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:30 PM   #84
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lol, "stereo", of course. Two speakers with a distance of 4 to 20 cm mounted on the same casing, I'm sure the effect is stunning.
It sounds nice on the specs sheet though. I wonder when some Android claims to have 5.1 sound.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:30 PM   #85
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technically Amazon might be right. Kindle HD has dual speakers for each channel, while ipad mini has one (mono) speaker for each channel.
That's not how stereo is defined. As long as two channels are played back, it's stereo. More speakers per channel can improve sound, but it's still stereo.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:32 PM   #86
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See above. But calling it "low-res" is silly.
In 2012, it not silly, its correct. Compare it to its retina sister and it becomes obvious.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:33 PM   #87
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In 1012, it not silly, its correct. Compare it to its retina sister and it becomes obvious.
Oh, so resolution is comparative. AKA, subjective. Well, then, nobody will ever agree on anything and we should probably close the thread before someone gets hurt.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:34 PM   #88
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That is what the "apology" in the UK was for. Apple was saying in the uk media that Samsung copied, when the trial in the UK was still going on. At the end of the UK trial, the UK court said Samsung was found to have done nothing wrong.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:35 PM   #89
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:35 PM   #90
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apple is going down.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:36 PM   #91
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Portrait orientation stereo = completely pointless

Kindle wins this round.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:36 PM   #92
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Not that the average consumer even knows what the difference between the two is.. Marketing at its best.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:37 PM   #93
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Oh, so resolution is comparative. AKA, subjective. Well, then, nobody will ever agree on anything and we should probably close the thread before someone gets hurt.
Well, it is low res compared with similar products. You can't call Amazon a liar for stating the truth.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:38 PM   #94
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That's the iPad, which doesn't have stereo speakers.

But wow, that page is full of other hogwash.
Oops, you're right. Here's another link to the mini version.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.htm...d_i=B0083PWAPW
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:39 PM   #95
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Well, it is low res compared with similar products. You can't call Amazon a liar for stating the truth.
So, now I've accused Amazon of something?

You really are all over the place with your posts, aren't you?
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:40 PM   #96
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Serious question regarding the checklist, not baiting or trolling..

Cool to see about the stereo speakers, but what about a couple of the other items...

1) why can Amazon say they offer Movies and TV (with a PAID amazon prime subscription), yet they dismiss PAY movies and TV from the iTunes Store?

2) Is the iPad Mini (and iPad 2) really a low res display? I swore I watched 720p movies on my iPad 2. While they may have not been 720p exactly, I wouldn't have called it low res.

Is it just selective marketing on Amazons part?
I watched Cars on the iPad mini, it was decent-the New iPad looked better-but you cant beat the smaller package
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:41 PM   #97
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NO.

I am sick and tired of corporations manipulating the definition of words and phrases to suit their needs. 720p is NOT HD, unless the H stands for half-a$$. It's 1080p. 4G is NOT HSPA+ or WiMAX, it's LTE running at 100Mbps.

Apple can choose to put an HD screen in their iPad mini or keep their mouths closed when others point out their lack of one. They've chosen the latter. Now OWN IT.
Sir, yes sir! OWNING IT NOW!

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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:42 PM   #98
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Regardless of whether or not the speakers on the mini actually are stereo, the Kindle Fire HD's speakers are remarkably good for a tablet of that size, and the fact they are on the left and right when it's held in landscape mode means you get genuine stereo.

I have one, I watch movies on it, and I can assure you that the iPad mini will not sound as good, because no matter how amazing those speakers are, you won't perceive stereo. So, regardless of whether or not the iPad mini has two channel sound, it is stereo only in the most technical of ways. Speakers an inch apart aren't likely going to give any perceived separation of left and right, even in portrait mode, and certainly won't in landscape, which is how almost all movies are watched.

The iPad mini wins on build quality, weight, and to some extent the app store (for most people, even the Amazon app store is not all that limited). The Kindle Fire HD wins on price, sound, resolution, HDMI output, and ease of charging ports (micro USB trumps Lightning).
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:42 PM   #99
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The Advanced Television Systems Committee (ATSC) devised and governs the standards for what is and what is not High-Definition in the digital distribution world (the ATSC superceded the NTSC which governed regular analog TV for more than 50 years). There are 18 standards for digital television, and per the ATSC 720 progressive is most definitely HD. Anyone who thinks that only 1080p is HD is actually the one who's been won over by "corporations'" marketing.

720p 24/30/60fps, 1080i 30fps, 1080p 24/30/60 fps are all HD.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 03:43 PM   #100
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Funny about Amazon, but who cares about stereo speakers on such a small device. The fact that Amazon was bragging about it is funny to begin with. The fact that they were wrong is simply hilarious. I love the iMore mockup of that advertisement:

http://www.imore.com/copy-editing-am...s-ipad-mini-ad
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