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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:30 PM   #76
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Keep putting your head in the sand Kavi. How anyone can say that racism hasn't been a big part of this campaign is beyond me.
I agree 100%. It has absolutely been a part of the campaign. I'm reminded of the use of race in this campaign in every PRSI thread, every day.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:39 PM   #77
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I agree 100%. It has absolutely been a part of the campaign. I'm reminded of the use of race in this campaign in every PRSI thread, every day.
Last time I drove through Alabama some gas stations still had separate bathrooms for blacks . Is this still the case ?
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:59 PM   #78
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Last time I drove through Alabama some gas stations still had separate bathrooms for blacks . Is this still the case ?
Yep. Every durn one of 'em. You musta done come by one dem new fancy uns. Seprit waterfountains n' all. Yup yup.

Teach us, please, the year and the Alabama city you were in that had the separate bathrooms, "Peace."

Humor us with details. Perhaps a landmark, as I bet I can figure out exactly where you claim you were.

And then, perhaps, teach us what my home state's past has to do with this conversation, much less this thread. Or are you just out for an afternoon stroll?
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 04:03 PM   #79
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Yeah I grew up in a mormon household. It's pretty insane some of the stuff they believe especially when you get deeper into some of the doctrine.

The mormon church has bought a bunch of land in Missouri for what they think is Jesus second coming. I guess when it happens, all the mormons are supposed to go there. So they're building a big commune of some sorts.
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Yeah I grew up in a mormon household. It's pretty insane some of the stuff they believe especially when you get deeper into some of the doctrine.

The mormon church has bought a bunch of land in Missouri for what they think is Jesus second coming. I guess when it happens, all the mormons are supposed to go there. So they're building a big commune of some sorts.
You know, just show me the Golden Plates and I'd be happy...

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Old Nov 5, 2012, 05:12 PM   #81
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Yep. Every durn one of 'em. You musta done come by one dem new fancy uns. Seprit waterfountains n' all. Yup yup.

Teach us, please, the year and the Alabama city you were in that had the separate bathrooms, "Peace."

Humor us with details. Perhaps a landmark, as I bet I can figure out exactly where you claim you were.

And then, perhaps, teach us what my home state's past has to do with this conversation, much less this thread. Or are you just out for an afternoon stroll?
So you obviously know..

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Old Nov 5, 2012, 05:22 PM   #82
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Neither do I.

The world is a diverse place with people of all stripes.

I thought that was supposed to be a liberal value ... accepting diversity of thought and belief.
IDK....don't you guys think that you can do both: accept that you share this world with people of faith while thinking its foolish to have faith? I know people believe. I don't want to take any rights away from them and they can feel free to believe all they want. I still think its foolish...
Also, about this "hate" thing I see in other posts. I don't see athiests HATING people of faith just because they have faith. They hate them when they use that faith to control us.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 06:05 PM   #83
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So you obviously know..
Yep, I obviously know you're a TROLL.

If you don't understand that I hoped you'd give an actual landmark - so I could confirm whether you were lying about your supposed Alabama drive-through - as opposed to some sort of present day knowledge of current segregated bathrooms, then you are either choosing to be obtuse or choosing to be uninformed.

Anyway, for a second I was genuinely interested in what you had to share. Now I know your anecdotal "memories" are just that... in quotations.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 06:06 PM   #84
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Yeah I grew up in a mormon household. It's pretty insane some of the stuff they believe especially when you get deeper into some of the doctrine.

The mormon church has bought a bunch of land in Missouri for what they think is Jesus second coming. I guess when it happens, all the mormons are supposed to go there. So they're building a big commune of some sorts.
Better not be anywhere near St. Louis. Hopefully it will be in the boot heel or some other backasswards part of the state.
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Better not be anywhere near St. Louis. Hopefully it will be in the boot heel or some other backasswards part of the state.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 06:58 PM   #86
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Yep, I obviously know you're a TROLL.

If you don't understand that I hoped you'd give an actual landmark - so I could confirm whether you were lying about your supposed Alabama drive-through - as opposed to some sort of present day knowledge of current segregated bathrooms, then you are either choosing to be obtuse or choosing to be uninformed.

Anyway, for a second I was genuinely interested in what you had to share. Now I know your anecdotal "memories" are just that... in quotations.
I wasn't trolling. All I know is around 1998 I drove through Alabama on my way to Florida and on one of my stops for gas there were two bathrooms. One for whites and one for blacks.

If I were to guess. Which is all I can do because it's been 14 years would be somewhere around Birmingham.

And a fyi.

My grandmother was born and raised in Alabama and I have two cousins with children that live there.
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IDK....don't you guys think that you can do both: accept that you share this world with people of faith while thinking its foolish to have faith?
I've never cared about people having faith. Heck, I (as a Buddhist) carry a share of it myself. The only thing that matters is when personal faith invades secular law. Otherwise, have all the personal faith you want. I really don't care.

I simply don't think it's wise to broad brush someone as an "idiot" because they possess some degree of faith. It's an unnecessary step to take.


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Also, about this "hate" thing I see in other posts. I don't see athiests HATING people of faith just because they have faith. They hate them when they use that faith to control us.
I agree ... and said virtually the same thing in a previous post in this thread.

My problem is when we stray from being specific and paint with too broad a brush.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 09:42 PM   #88
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I wasn't trolling. All I know is around 1998 I drove through Alabama on my way to Florida and on one of my stops for gas there were two bathrooms. One for whites and one for blacks.

If I were to guess. Which is all I can do because it's been 14 years would be somewhere around Birmingham.

And a fyi.

My grandmother was born and raised in Alabama and I have two cousins with children that live there.
I agree. You weren't trolling. Rather, you were lying. There was nowhere in the State of Alabama in 1998, or for decades preceding, that had segregated bathrooms, no matter how many cousins with kids you know that live here.

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Someone Who Has Lived Here 38 years, whose parents lived here (one born in Mobile, the other in Montgomery, whose parents' parents all lived here (yes, both sets) who - like you - has "cousins" who liver here, who has my own children who live here, who has my own six siblings (one blood, five step) who live here, who has, jeez who cares, apparently you do since you felt it gave your lie validation)

Come back, "Peace", when you can humor us with specifics. In my life if I'd e-v-e-r seen segregated bathrooms first-hand I think I just might have been able to name the city I was in. 'Less I was tryin' to impress my internet friends, 'course.

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Old Nov 5, 2012, 09:48 PM   #90
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To each their own brother.

"Brother?" Jesus. Give up the schtick. Just admit you lied. Until then, troll someone, somewhere else.
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I agree. You weren't trolling. Rather, you were lying. There was nowhere in the State of Alabama in 1998, or for decades preceding, that had segregated bathrooms, no matter how many cousins with kids you know that live here.

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Come back, "Peace", when you can humor us with specifics.
Kavika, I think rdown's original point stands. If you don't think race has anything to do with some of the hatred toward the President you are either ignorant or in denial. You truly don't believe that the birther movement is a result of the color of his skin?

Is it representative of everyone who isn't voting for him? Of course not. But we have to face facts. 50 years ago black and white kids weren't allowed to go to the same schools, drink from the same water fountains, eat in the same places. Etc, etc, etc. It took a Supreme Court decision to allow interracial marriage. Our parents and grandparents, who lived through these times, are still alive. Still alive to pass their hatred and ignorance along to coming generations.

We are not nearly as advanced as we would like ourselves and the rest of the world to believe. We live in a time where women aren't respected by our politicians; where some of us are still fighting for equal rights; where kids are killing themselves because they are being bullied.

And the more we ignore it the longer it's going to take to fix.
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Republicans hate on every other white democrat running, business as usual.

If he is black.

Im glad I live in the most multicultural city in the world. Makes me realize how dumb and overly PC the US is.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 10:18 PM   #94
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Kavika, I think rdown's original point stands.
Then why quote where I was calling out someone besides rdowns? Seriously. You have me curious. (Though I'm sure Peace appreciate's the tag-out.)

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If you don't think race has anything to do with some of the hatred toward the President you are either ignorant or in denial.
There are an ass-load of racists who hate Obama because he is black. And there are an ass-load of democrats who instigate small race wars that aren't there. The difference between you and I, Moyank24, is that I admit the existence of both.

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The birther movement? THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT? We are now having a thread about the Birther Movement? Jesus. While we're at it, let's have a thread about my favorite band, Nine Inch Nails.

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Is it representative of everyone who isn't voting for him? Of course not.
Then you stop writing hyperbolic language that demonstrates you believe it is representative of everyone who isn't voting for Obama. I sure as shinola ain't the one painting with that brush.

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But we have to face facts.
Great. Hit me with some modern-day facts.

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50 years ago
Oh, well. Guess "modern-day" was too much to ask. Anywhos, tell me what it was like half-a-century ago, Moyank24...

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black and white kids weren't allowed to go to the same schools, drink from the same water fountains, eat in the same places. Etc, etc, etc.
Thanks for the history lesson, Moyank24. You ever want to come to our bad-ass (and I say that without one scintilla of sarcasm) civil rights museum, I'll give you a personal tour. I take my kids regularly. It is absolutely amazing. Again, I kid you not. It teaches you - re-teaches you, if I may be so bold - everything you learn in Alabama public school education. Maybe that comes as a surprise to you. Maybe it's new to you. Or maybe you are just typing as fast as you can. I don't really care, except you appear to think you are teaching me/any.of.us something new about our PAST.

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It took a Supreme Court decision to allow interracial marriage. Our parents and grandparents, who lived through these times, are still alive. Still alive to pass their hatred and ignorance along to coming generations.
Maybe yours do, mine don't. But thanks for telling me about your family.

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We are not nearly as advanced as we would like ourselves and the rest of the world to believe. We live in a time where women aren't respected by our politicians; where some of us are still fighting for equal rights; where kids are killing themselves because they are being bullied.
What is the OP about again? Seriously. Is this Moyank24's Diatribe Thread? Look, I'm trying to stay on topic. I don't apologize for calling people out for broad brush, off-topic, often-lying (see above posts on this page) BS.

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And the more we ignore it the longer it's going to take to fix.
Tell me a truism my six-year old doesn't already know. I'd prefer, however, to stay on-topic.
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OY
Some people, you just can't reach.

I sincerely hope that you aren't representative of the end result of an "Alabama public school education" because you aren't doing it justice.

Maybe the next time you take your kids to the Civil Rights Museum you can explain to them why you don't seem to have any regard for civil rights. And explain why you voted for someone who also doesn't seem to have any regard for them. (HINT: since you seem to be confused about "facts" the GOP seems hell bent on taking away the rights of women and homosexuals. Now. In 2012).

Your condescending, sarcastic, nonsensical posts continue to say a whole lot of nothing.
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Oy
Oy? Oy, Moyank24? Really?

Sorry for the mult-syllabic, line-by-line response, Moyank24. Goodnight.
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Oy? Oy, Moyank24? Really?

Sorry for the mult-syllabic, line-by-line response, Moyank24. Goodnight.
Yes, oy.

You seemed confused about why I would bring up the past. It seems important because we don't seem to be learning from it.

Luckily, it looks like Romney's plan to take us back to the 1950's will be foiled tomorrow.
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You know, just show me the Golden Plates and I'd be happy...

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You'll also need the magic glasses to read the Reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics on the plates.

The more you look into Mormonism, the more bizarre it gets.
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The other side of the argument is simply this....they are speaking up for the baby being carried that cannot speak up for itself.

You may not agree with them on when life starts and things like that, but that's the other side of that coin. For folks that oppose abortion (and this is speaking in general terms) it has nothing to do with any sort of "war on women" or working to control what a woman does with her body.
And even if they (or you) so desire to allow a baby to develop and be born, would you volunteer to help the mother financially to raise her [unwanted] child? Wouldn't you rather have her abort the child than raise it in a household welfare?

May I add that it's interesting how financially successful men, who are capable of leaving one or two wives with kids or leaving a pregnant mistress in the mist can be so against abortion. Child support costs more money than an abortion. Do the math.
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And even if they (or you) so desire to allow a baby to develop and be born, would you volunteer to help the mother financially to raise her [unwanted] child? Wouldn't you rather have her abort the child than raise it in a household welfare?

May I add that it's interesting how financially successful men, who are capable of leaving one or two wives with kids or leaving a pregnant mistress in the mist can be so against abortion. Child support costs more money than an abortion. Do the math.
I don't think money is their end goal here. I am pro choice, but coming at this from a monetary aspect is about as bad as trampling women's rights. If we wanted to save money we could just execute everyone on long term welfare. I mean its cheaper.
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