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Old Aug 13, 2010, 10:16 AM   #1
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Apple Targeted in New Patent Suit Over VPN on iOS






Patent holding firm VirnetX yesterday announced that it has filed suit against Apple, Cisco, NEC, and Aastra, alleging infringement of five patents held by the company. As noted by Computerworld, Apple is being targeted for claimed infringement by the iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch of a pair of patents related to virtual private networking (VPN) connectivity.

VirnetX, which derives almost all of its revenue from licensing fees and legal judgments related to its patent portfolio, previously sued Microsoft over similar violations, with the two companies reaching a settlement in May that saw Microsoft pay VirnetX $200 million and license the intellectual property in question. One of the two patents Apple is alleged to have infringed upon is that same as one cited in the Microsoft case.
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Wednesday's suit claimed that Apple's iPhone -- all models, including the newest iPhone 4 -- iPod Touch and iPad infringed a pair of VirnetX patents.

One of the two that Apple allegedly infringed -- identified as Patent No. 6,502,135 -- was also one of the pair that VirnetX said Microsoft violated.

The patent cited in both lawsuits, titled "Agile network protocol for secure communications with assured system availability," describes technologies for creating and managing a virtual private networking (VPN) connection.
The suit was filed in United States District Court for the Eastern District of Texas, a popular location for patent cases known for its plaintiff-friendly judgments. The judge in the case, Leonard Davis, also presided over the Microsoft case and is particularly known for his willingness to rule in favor of plaintiffs in patent disputes.

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Old Aug 13, 2010, 10:21 AM   #2
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VirnetX, which derives almost all of its revenue from licensing fees and legal judgments related to its patent portfolio, previously sued Microsoft over similar violations, with the two companies reaching a settlement in May that saw Microsoft pay VirnetX $200 million and license the intellectual property in question.
Someone opened the cage doors for patent trolls lately.....
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Old Aug 13, 2010, 10:22 AM   #3
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I should start patenting all my dreams... that one day I can sue someone.
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Old Aug 13, 2010, 10:25 AM   #4
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Someone opened the cage doors for patent trolls lately.....
They've been flowing for years, but there's been a cluster of 'em recently which have been more widely reported. I feel fortunate that I'll never work for, or come close to working for, these types of patent-chasing companies -- what a way to make a living.

(And I posted a joke about the amount of legal news today, and it got *moderated*? Geez guys, lighten up!)
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Old Aug 13, 2010, 10:26 AM   #5
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Old Aug 13, 2010, 10:27 AM   #6
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Funny friday obviously, anyone else want to sue Apple while we're at it?
Maybe you invented the computer? Or a means to store data electronically?

Contact your local lawyer...
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Old Aug 13, 2010, 10:28 AM   #7
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Software patents.. real PITA.
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Old Aug 13, 2010, 10:38 AM   #8
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Someone opened the cage doors for patent trolls lately.....
Yup, your friendly local congress critter.
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Old Aug 13, 2010, 10:41 AM   #9
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Patent trolls should be killed, murdered and killed!

The patent should be void if you haven't incorporated it into whatever it is you do.
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Old Aug 13, 2010, 10:54 AM   #12
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Patent reform?

I get it when Nokia sues Apple, or visa versa. Those are active companies actively producing things. I hate it when patent holding companies sue people. So, you patent something, have no intention of doing anything with it, then wait for someone not only to use it, but make money on it. Then you sue. You don't sue when it first happens, you wait until the pot is sweet enough. These people are vultures in the worst way, and it shouldn't be allowed to go on like this.
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Patent trolls should be killed, murdered and killed!

The patent should be void if you haven't incorporated it into whatever it is you do.
Yup. They are the leeches of society.
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Can someone who understands VPN a little better explain how Apple could possibly have infringed on it on the iPhone etc?

afaik VPN is a protocol and software based, and its something that Apple does not support out of the box. Third party software is required.

There isn't some sort of hardware implementation required to create a VPN is there?
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Im getting a bit bored of this. The pont of patents is to stop people stealing your ideas and your product's uniqueness not to fill the coffers of these companies that hoard IP for the purpose of sueing anyone who actually produces someting.
Fair enough if someone starts making a product that infinges a patent you use on your product or licence for someone else to use. Maybe I should patent the idea of flying to pluto, Im never gonna do it but screw anyone else who gives it a go.
I'm beginng to think there should be some use it or loose it clause in patents to stop all this trolling.
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Old Aug 13, 2010, 11:04 AM   #16
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To whom it may concern:
I just sent in my patent paperwork and copywrite paperwork. From now on, anytime, anyone uses the letter i in any way, shape, or form, it will be in violation of my intellectual property. Apple, Cisco and Seasame Street, you have been warned. Thank you.

By the way. Does anyone know a REALLY good lawyer?
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Old Aug 13, 2010, 11:10 AM   #17
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Apple should introduce an iSue store.
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Can someone who understands VPN a little better explain how Apple could possibly have infringed on it on the iPhone etc?

afaik VPN is a protocol and software based, and its something that Apple does not support out of the box. Third party software is required.

There isn't some sort of hardware implementation required to create a VPN is there?
I could but would just give you a headache, so just take it as simply tunneling thru the internet secured between two points.

But this has nothing to do with the patent. I have not read the patent but I will bet my right one that its broad and has absolutely nothing specific or marketable that could be the reason why they are doing it in TEXAS. Texas is just one of those F up states that is so blind to things like this that they really don't care if it hurts innovation, not exactly a haven of knowledge or intelligence.
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Im getting a bit bored of this. The pont of patents is to stop people stealing your ideas and your product's uniqueness not to fill the coffers of these companies that hoard IP for the purpose of sueing anyone who actually produces someting.
Fair enough if someone starts making a product that infinges a patent you use on your product or licence for someone else to use. Maybe I should patent the idea of flying to pluto, Im never gonna do it but screw anyone else who gives it a go.
I'm beginng to think there should be some use it or loose it clause in patents to stop all this trolling.
These companies primarily make their money off of licensing the technology not suing over them.
They resort to suing when they can't get a licensing deal.

Remember.. not everyone who comes up with a patentable idea has the means or resources to turn it into an actual product.
So the suggestion that patents should only be issued to those that can produce and actual product from their idea is absurd.

I'm not saying I agree with every holding companies dispute, but the idea behind a patent holding company is still a good one.
Especially for the guy who has a great idea but lacks the funding and resources to make it happen.
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I can say honestly that I have never used a VPN on my mobile device.
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Yup, your friendly local congress critter.
Just because some find ways to abuse the system doesn't mean there's not legitimate cases for protecting people's hard work.
Want to also revoke those antiquated laws 'your friendly local congress critters' enacted to prevent someone from walking into your house to take what they want?
Didn't think so.

Righties always want the government to protect them but not the other guy.
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oh apple... you cant just do anything you want
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