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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:16 PM   #51
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Why would you want a way slower CPU in your computer?
Apple would only do this if/when ARM processors aren't "way slower."
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:17 PM   #52
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Hopefully it won't be as painful as the switch from PowerPC to Intel, that's if it is actually going to happen.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:17 PM   #53
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If true, and I am quite certain Apple has had OS X running on ARM for some time now, I suspect Apple won't be switching their entire Mac line-up to ARM overnight. Specifically, MacBook Airs will be the initial seed for ARM-based processors, offering iPad-like battery life and fan-less operation.

As for MacBook Pros, power users depend on virtualization (to run Windows and Linux), so I think 15" MacBook Pros, 27" iMac, and Mac Pro may stick with Intel CPUs for some time, especially if Intel manages to greatly reduce power consumption while improving performance.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:18 PM   #54
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If it benefits the consumer then they should go for it.

Can see this happening for OS XI
We still have to wait for 10.9
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:18 PM   #55
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This is going to be a huge can of worms if they do. Like back to the Power PC days, when the rest of the world is on Intel.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:18 PM   #56
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I don't understand all the vitriol. I think this is great news. What's wrong with going back to the way things were with the Mac? Apple already integrates their own mobile processors into their iOS devices. I'm willing to bet Apple will still be able to figure out a way to run Windows. It would be to Apple's detriment not to. I myself have no need for Windows since I switched to Mac.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:19 PM   #57
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And now we will hear the exact same vitriol that we heard when the rumours of intel partnership began (late 2003/2004 rumours) before releasing device late 2005.

It's like going back in time nearly a decade.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:19 PM   #58
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Of course. Intel's MacBook Air cloning strategy will backfire.
Considering they built the internals for the MBA, how is them making more of what they already made to begin with cloning Apple?

You don't think your arguments through, do you?
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:20 PM   #59
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Long live PowerPC!
Still using on as my main (only) Mac.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:20 PM   #60
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Mercy, I really don't want to have to switch back to Windows to run Pro Tools & Studio One. If Apple makes this switch do they just assume Avid, Presonus, etc are just going to up & write compatible versions for ARM?
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:20 PM   #61
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The die has already been cast.

Apple's made the transition from GCC to LLVM for compiling. LLVM is a virtual machine that takes intermediate code and then JIT compiles it for the target platform (Say X86 or ARM )

Next up the transition to 64-bit cleaned up frameworks and now we're moving forward with better frameworks that run on ARM (thanks to the iOS devices)


Just waiting on ARM to get their 64-bit house in order.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:21 PM   #63
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By the time usable chips are available desktop pcs will be long dead.... and laptops on the way out too.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:21 PM   #64
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I don't understand all the vitriol. I think this is great news. What's wrong with going back to the way things were with the Mac? Apple already integrates their own mobile processors into their iOS devices. I'm willing to bet Apple will still be able to figure out a way to run Windows. It would be to Apple's detriment not to. I myself have no need for Windows since I switched to Mac.
Stockholm Syndrome? Intel and Microsoft have abused people to the point of pathology

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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:21 PM   #65
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I'm sure Apple is considering a lot of things. That doesn't mean it will happen anytime soon - if ever.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:22 PM   #66
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Apple's made the transition from GCC to LLVM for compiling. LLVM is a virtual machine that takes intermediate code and then JIT compiles it for the target platform (Say X86 or ARM )
I think you're not understanding LLVM and what it does exactly. It's not a virtual machine at all.
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Just waiting on ARM to get their 64-bit house in order.
I can't think of a single ARM based app that requires a 64-bit processor.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:23 PM   #68
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And now we will hear the exact same vitriol that we heard when the rumours of intel partnership began (late 2003/2004 rumours) before releasing device late 2005.

It's like going back in time nearly a decade.
Agreed.
Apple won't do anything that isn't (in their view) the best move for the products.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:23 PM   #69
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Isn't Microsoft currently selling a Windows tablet that comes as either ARM or 486?

And so if Apple is thinking about doing the exact same thing that Microsoft is doing...that's the end of the world?

People need to get a grip.
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:23 PM   #70
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Stockholm Syndrome? Intel and Microsoft have abused people to the point of pathology

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abused people? Are you serious?
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Just waiting on ARM to get their 64-bit house in order.
64 bit isn't magical. We've had 64 bit processors for more than a decade. In terms of performance, those processors sure as heck don't come near modern Intel chips (I still have a Ultra 5 with an UltraSparc II+ 233 mhz chip, full 64 bit SPARC processor. It's barely on par with a Pentium II of the days).
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:23 PM   #72
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I switched to the Mac OS specificially because the BootCamp option made it easier to use Macs when I wanted, but still had Windows if necessary. If Apple did this, without BootCamp functionality, my 2011 MBP would be my last Apple product. I already skipped iPhone 5 because of no Google Maps. It seems like Apple is intent on making it harder to integrate our technological lives with their devices and I just cant continue to go down that road. Sorry Apple, my MBP is the best built laptop I have ever owned. It will probablly also be my last with out unless it becomes much easier for the consumer to do work with your products.
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and Apple isn't the only one. Microsoft is experimenting with it too, with it's ARM version of Windows 8; Windows RT.

not to mention all the android based products that are also running on ARM processors. I think Intel is going to have a tough road ahead!
Don't see it happening for anything else than macbook air . Isn't only windows rt on arm? They don't come Close to i7 and the likes
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Old Nov 5, 2012, 03:24 PM   #75
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There is nothing surprising about Apple having a portable codebase if a bunch of open source hippies can do it.

But ARM ? ARM ? What's the value there ? Performance per watt is no better than Intel. The reason ARM processors are so energy efficient today is because they lack the sheer number crunching capabilities of x86 chips. Intel proved with Medfield that x86 is as power efficient as ARM, if they also sacrifice number crunching. There's even an Android phone that runs on a Medfield SoC!
http://www.extremetech.com/computing...r-room-in-2014

Little reason to tie your product line to Intel and the cruft that is in X86. Intel is now a gnat compared to Apple.

In the near future the OS will be so tailored for the custom hardware that Apple will be able to design in house it won't take a huge Intel chip to deliver fantastic performance.
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