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Old Nov 6, 2012, 11:40 PM   #26
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It's about time, PR!


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Old Nov 7, 2012, 12:48 AM   #27
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I'm actually more excited about this than anything else tonight, if just for the fact that Nate Silver basically spoiled the election months ago.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:06 AM   #28
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 02:53 AM   #29
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This is new to me. Does this basically mean that Puerto Rico wants to be the official and in all senses 51st state of the USA?

I'm assuming that some approval has to be done in Washington DC, right?
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 04:51 AM   #30
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I hope Puerto Rico votes for statehood. The Congress would have to approve the application. This would put the Republicans in a dilemma: PR tends to lean toward the left, so this might give the Democrats an advantage in both congressional and presidential elections. Thus, the Republicans might try to block it. However, if they did, they would risk alienating the Latino vote even further.

What ever happened to the idea of 'Transatlantia' - combining DC with PR into one state?
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 06:10 AM   #31
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Lets see what the popular party (democrats) in PR will do to try to block this...
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 06:19 AM   #32
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This is exciting. I'm wondering if republicans would try to block it. I'm not sure what approvals are required on our side to make them a state.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 07:13 AM   #33
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i am surprised by how little press this is getting.

i hope they integrate the addition of Puerto Rico with a comprehensive reform of the Electoral Vote system that assigns EVs proportionally, so they reflect the populare vote more closely (without need for constitutional changes).

after this election maybe the GOP will be more receptive to this.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 08:54 AM   #34
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Welcome, citizens of Puerto Rico! Enjoy.
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Just want to make it clear - I'd love for PR to take its rightful place as the 51st state, if that is what the people of PR want. My enthusiasm is not just because it would make things awkward for the Republicans.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 09:14 AM   #36
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Think of the boom in flag making that will come with a new state!

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Yes, and China approves this potential addition to Old Glory.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 09:26 AM   #37
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Well..Couldn't we just remove the Texas star and replace it with P.R. ?



I remember when I was in the first grade doing the pledge of allegiance to the flag that had 48 stars.
But that would deplete 50% of the D1 football players

It would also reduce oil production and refineries causing gas prices to go up, etc, etc. Texas, like it or not, is a valuable state for this country of ours.

Not too hard to add a star.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:26 AM   #38
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if anything, they could merge the two Dakotas into a single state.
it's not going to happen because they would have a net loss of representation in the senate, but it would make a lot of sense.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:05 PM   #39
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I hope Puerto Rico votes for statehood. The Congress would have to approve the application. This would put the Republicans in a dilemma:
Historically the GOP has been supportive of PR's statehood than the democrats.

The current soon to be ex-governor is also aligned with the GOP.
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i think PR will be a State before the 2016 elections.
it's in the interest of both parties to promote it and neither can afford to look like they oppose it.
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i think PR will be a State before the 2016 elections.
it's in the interest of both parties to promote it and neither can afford to look like they oppose it.
Two extra senators. Mostly Democratic.

I see a huge battle in getting P.R to statehood.
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Historically the GOP has been supportive of PR's statehood than the democrats.

The current soon to be ex-governor is also aligned with the GOP.
That would be good then, as President Obama has previously stated he wouldn't block it.

This is awesome news. A new state would be awesome. I want to know the timeline. Will it happen this year? Or is this a 2013 thing?
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Two extra senators. Mostly Democratic.

I see a huge battle in getting P.R to statehood.
well, the governor is 'republican-equivalent', so it's not a given the senators would be dems.

furthermore, as i said any party that openly opposes this against the will of puertoricans is going to alienate the PR and probably a good chunk of the latinos votes for the future, which neither party can afford.

as far as the EVs, i am not sure how they would count puertoricans.
they are about 4 millions (which would add up to about 8 EV), but almost half of them live in other states, so i suppose they would not count for that calculation, so the EVs might be 5-6 instead
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Would PR's representatives come at the expense of other states? Or would congress vote to actually ad more representatives? We'd be getting 2 more senators.

And if adding more representatives, do you think DC might get another? (And, for that matter, Utah to balance out Red and Blue)?
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Would PR's representatives come at the expense of other states? Or would congress vote to actually ad more representatives? We'd be getting 2 more senators.

And if adding more representatives, do you think DC might get another? (And, for that matter, Utah to balance out Red and Blue)?
The number of representatives are based on population in the state so there would be a few more reps. and two additional Senators. So our senate would have 102 senators.
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Would PR's representatives come at the expense of other states? Or would congress vote to actually ad more representatives? We'd be getting 2 more senators.

And if adding more representatives, do you think DC might get another? (And, for that matter, Utah to balance out Red and Blue)?
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The number of representatives are based on population in the state so there would be a few more reps. and two additional Senators. So our senate would have 102 senators.


If they went by the same protocol as Alaska and Hawaii, representatives would temporarily be added to the house. Until the census determines how to allocate the 435 seats set by law.
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nermal already posted that one, prof.

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Yesterday for governor, the PPD won, which is the party that goes w/ Democrats. When Obama came not too long ago he ate a sandwich w/ the guy that won for governor.

Now the PPD is a party that approves the current status quo and not statehood. The guy that won is already complaining about the referendum and complaining that it does not have the current commonwealth status as a choice, etc. In the ballot, Statehood won by a good chunk so is kind of weird. The governor that was on when the ballot was made follows the republican party.

I think there are gonna be lots of blockades from here in PR politics and then the US congress to stop it from just being just a referendum poll. This will be the 4th referendum done and the older 3 referendums the majority voted for staying w/ the status quo for which in this election it wasn't a choice.
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