British English vs American English [moved from the Jony Ive thread]

[nuckinfutz]

Oh noooes ! Ive is British. All of the words ending in "ize" are going to change to "ise" in autocorrect. The British are coming!


Moderator Note:

This was derailing the Jony Ive is Now Playing the Steve Jobs Role thread so it has been separated into a new discussion.

[knemonic]

Originally Posted by nuckinfutz

Oh noooes ! Ive is British. All of the words ending in "ize" are going to change to "ise" in autocorrect. The British are coming!

Instead of skeuomorphisms, we'll end up getting little pop up quotes instead of notifications saying "you're all coat and no trousers, you are."

[peterh988]

Originally Posted by nuckinfutz

Oh noooes ! Ive is British. All of the words ending in "ize" are going to change to "ise" in autocorrect. The British are coming!

There's no such thing as American English. There is English, and there is wrong.


Or as the TV show QI explained a few weeks ago, 'ise' is the Oxford way (as in Oxford English Dictionary) 'ize' is the Cambridge spelling.

[nuckinfutz]

Originally Posted by peterh988

There's no such thing as American English. There is English, and there is wrong.


Or as the TV show QI explained a few weeks ago, 'ise' is the Oxford way (as in Oxford English Dictionary) 'ize' is the Cambridge spelling.

Touché

[ItsWelshy]

Originally Posted by nuckinfutz

Oh noooes ! Ive is British. All of the words ending in "ize" are going to change to "ise" in autocorrect. The British are coming!

You mean the correct spelling for the language that we created for you to bastardise and butcher?

[RoboCop001]

Originally Posted by ItsWelshy

You mean the correct spelling for the language that we created for you to bastardise and butcher?

I lol'd.

[gorskiegangsta]

Originally Posted by ItsWelshy

You mean the correct spelling for the language that we created for you to bastardise and butcher?

That's the nature of the beast. English was not created from scratch. It evolved and morphed through the years.

[OllyW]

Originally Posted by nuckinfutz

Oh noooes ! Ive is British. All of the words ending in "ize" are going to change to "ise" in autocorrect. The British are coming!

It already does.

[LeoNobilis]

Originally Posted by ItsWelshy

You mean the correct spelling for the language that we created for you to bastardise and butcher?

Exactly. I feel embarrassed when "rumour" is made a "rumor" of, and "…-ise" is "corrected" into "…-ize" by my iPhone's autocorrection at times (i.e., before I've set up the keyboard properly). Not quite as bad as speaking in Redneck "English" accent (not that I ever could or would!), but bad enough. The gibberish they make of "-er", "not" pronounced as "nut" and that sort of thing. Then, the words like "dude" and the like… No class whatsoever.

[kaldezar]

Originally Posted by nuckinfutz

Oh noooes ! Ive is British. All of the words ending in "ize" are going to change to "ise" in autocorrect. The British are coming!

Well thank F*&%k for that, about time you colonials started speaking proper!

[hamkor04]

Originally Posted by peterh988

There's no such thing as American English. There is English, and there is wrong.


Or as the TV show QI explained a few weeks ago, 'ise' is the Oxford way (as in Oxford English Dictionary) 'ize' is the Cambridge spelling.

haha now it's American "English" huh?

[kaldezar]

Originally Posted by gorskiegangsta

That's the nature of the beast. English was not created from scratch. It evolved and morphed through the years.

in other words butchered and bastardised?

[Nermal]

Originally Posted by kaldezar

Well thank F*&%k for that, about time you colonials started speaking proper!

-ly

[ohbrilliance]

Originally Posted by peterh988

There's no such thing as American English. There is English, and there is wrong.

You do realise that much of 'American English' is the old way of spelling things, and British English is the one that's changed, i.e. 'wrong'?

[kaldezar]

Originally Posted by Nermal

-ly

Oi mate it's proper aint't it! Know what I mean sunshine?

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Originally Posted by ohbrilliance

You do realise that much of 'American English' is the old way of spelling things, and British English is the one that's changed, i.e. 'wrong'?

Yeah but the language is English and therefore the definitive version should come from England, I mean WTF is "validated parking"? I don't think that's the old way of saying "free parking"?

[oxfordguy]

Originally Posted by ItsWelshy

You mean the correct spelling for the language that we created for you to bastardise and butcher?

Indeed! ;-)

[Drunken Master]

Originally Posted by kaldezar

Well thank F*&%k for that, about time you colonials started speaking proper!

Properly?

Loads of people from England struggle to speak their own language, e.g. "I'm going wif him to the show" or "He broke me car!"

[JAT]

Originally Posted by ItsWelshy

You mean the correct spelling for the language that we created for you to bastardise and butcher?

Was this supposed to be irony? Since modern English is basically a bastardized melting pot of many languages, both dead and current. Far more "foreign" words exist in English than any other language.

[Bendrix]

Originally Posted by peterh988

There's no such thing as American English. There is English, and there is wrong.


Or as the TV show QI explained a few weeks ago, 'ise' is the Oxford way (as in Oxford English Dictionary) 'ize' is the Cambridge spelling.

Sure there is. American English is a dialect of English spoken in the United States of America. Even within England you have variations on the way the language is spoken. Which is the correct one? Are you saying only the professors at Oxford and Cambridge speak correct English? They probably even disagree on some things. A language is not a static thing and to try to prescribe a correct way it should be spoken or written is impossible.

[timcullis]

Originally Posted by peterh988

Or as the TV show QI explained a few weeks ago, 'ise' is the Oxford way (as in Oxford English Dictionary) 'ize' is the Cambridge spelling.

The reverse, actually. -ize is the Oxford Dictionary standard, whilst Chambers, the other main British dictionary source, is -ise. Both versions come ultimately from Greek but -ise is of French/Latin influence, whilst -ize comes from German roots.

Fowler's "The King's English" (and you can guess how old this is) promotes -ize and was extensively referred to by Winston Churchill when berating his staff on their use of English. But then Churchill was half American. LOL.

There's a few words that even in the US have an -ise suffix such as compromise and exercise.

[Bendrix]

A lot of what makes something "correct" in English has to do with precedent. What famous writings contain certain usages and what is their frequency of appearance in the literature? The second has to do with logic. Is it logical to say something a certain way? Most other "rules" you will find exceptions to, and many of the rules we were taught are just plain wrong, famous examples being "don't end a sentence in a preposition" or "don't split an infinitive." And a lot of the prescribed rules have as much to do with the grammarian's preferences as anything else. Fowler, whom you mentioned, is famous for having had a lot of weird personal peeves, which can be found all over the place in his "Modern English Usage."

[Mousse]

Originally Posted by kaldezar

Well thank F*&%k for that, about time you colonials started speaking proper!

Hail no. Ain't no way I'm giving up my Southern drawl for your Cockney.

[sviato]

Also don't like when people from England use "a" instead of "I", e.g. "why should a do this?"

[Eraserhead]

Originally Posted by sviato

Also don't like when people from England use "a" instead of "I", e.g. "why should a do this?"

Because they have poor grammar or they are speaking with an some accents.

In written English English it is "Why should I do this?"

[dmr727]

I learned everything I know from this thread:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=718186