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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:21 PM   #101
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Glad to know that Samsung stole stylus usage from Apple ... must be from the Newton.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:21 PM   #102
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I'm confused about the "stylus" thing. Does this case relate to the usage of styluses (or stylos, whatever)? That would make no sense.
Didn't you know Apple invented the original stylus? it's called an iFinger
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:21 PM   #103
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We're going back quite a few years. I think it was early 1990's. I'm sure Apple has a ton of patents relating to handwriting with a stylus. That was a big thing back in the day. I'm old enough to remember, unfortunately.
Same here, but only just. I was 10 in 1990, so it doesn't have quite the same sting for me. :P

Thing is, there have been so many advances in styluses (stylii?) and handwriting recognition since then, it makes me wonder why Apple decided to dust off and break out their old Newton patents now.

...well, besides the obvious answer, anyway.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:22 PM   #104
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I guess you've never heard of the "Newton"?
Just for your info:

The first electronic handwriting tablet was the Telautograph, patented by Elisha Gray in 1888

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_tablet


So please don't come on here proclaiming Apple 'invented' the stylus. The Newton I think was launched around 1993, I'm pretty sure electronic pens have been used for a LOT longer.

Anyway this addition seems to imply it's related to software and the stylus?

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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:24 PM   #105
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Oh, you're just being silly...Right?
I suppose it should be one of the most frivolous cases.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:25 PM   #106
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Actually reading more into this:

Andrew Liao, an Apple attorney, told Grewal today that the Galaxy Nexus is the only phone with Jelly Bean that Apple seeks to add to the patent complaint. Liao also said Apple wants to add 17 devices that could use a stylus even though the products don’t ship with a stylus.

This is a blatant direct attack at Google! NOT Samsung, the Galaxy Nexus has the totally untouched straight from Google Android, therefore NO modifications are applied to it what so ever, so this is a blatant direct claim that Android breaches Apples software patents.....

Now this is going to be worth watching, cause unless someone can show me how Jellybean copies Apple? Then it's utter BS.
If this were true then Apple would just love to add as many jellybean based devices as they could. There must be something fundamentally different with the Galaxy Nexus, what it is I do not know but if they could add more products and companies to this lawsuit they wouldn't flinch.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:26 PM   #107
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Every time I see a report like this my respect for Apple plummets.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:26 PM   #108
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Samsung and apple are babies..
No, it's Apple with a Buddhist Perspective, and Samsung with a Confucius Perspective.

It cannot end until one is gone.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:28 PM   #109
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Oh, you're just being silly...Right?
OK I'm sure it isn't the most but it is definitely up there.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:28 PM   #110
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Apple should use the money they're spending at court to resume conception of innovative product.
If other companies are blocked from being innovative then a little bit longer screen becomes a technology sensation..
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:31 PM   #111
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I guess you've never heard of the "Newton"?
That's not my point. View the video above. Apple has no plans whatsoever to implement the use of a stylus in their current or future products. It is a technology that they bash themselves and effectively have abandoned. Now they want to sue Samsung for implementing it? Come the eff on. This is like throwing out an old CRT TV into the garbage, having someone pick it out of your garbage, then pressing charges against that garbage picker for burglary. Pitiful!
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:35 PM   #112
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Apple has no plans whatsoever to implement the use of a stylus in their current or future products. It is a technology that they bash themselves and effectively have abandoned.
They did rule out smaller iPads too.......
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:36 PM   #113
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Just for your info:

The first electronic handwriting tablet was the Telautograph, patented by Elisha Gray in 1888

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_tablet


So please don't come on here proclaiming Apple 'invented' the stylus.
Unfortunately, Elisha's patent is now public domain. Obviously Apple didn't invent the stylus. They did as far as I know, invent the technology to translate handwriting with a stylus into editable digital text. I find it quite amusing that so many people are upset with Apple legal. Apple is a big company and they can walk and chew gum at the same time. Apple can make new and better products and at the same time the legal dept. can do it's legal thing. If you don't like Apples legal dept. and it bothers you so much, then I would suggest you move on. Although every company's legal is going to jump if they think they can make some big money.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:37 PM   #114
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That's not my point. View the video above. Apple has no plans whatsoever to implement the use of a stylus in their current or future products. It is a technology that they bash themselves and effectively have abandoned. Now they want to sue Samsung for implementing it? Come the eff on. This is like throwing out an old CRT TV into the garbage, having someone pick it out of your garbage, then pressing charges against that garbage picker for burglary. Pitiful!
X2. I mean I thought the last ones were terrible lawsuits too but at least they dealt with current technology... this one is just beyond silly.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:41 PM   #115
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If this were true then Apple would just love to add as many jellybean based devices as they could. There must be something fundamentally different with the Galaxy Nexus, what it is I do not know but if they could add more products and companies to this lawsuit they wouldn't flinch.
But their ISN'T! That's the entire point of a Nexus device, it's a totally unmolested OS.
Looking at other articles it appears it's to do with Siri, apparently the Nexus has Siri like search features? Which is even more funny when you consider Siri is still Beta I think:

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-...-nexus-1103770

In a new development, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit decided on Thursday to permanently reverse a California court's previous decision to grant Apple a preliminary injunction on Samsung's Galaxy Nexus smartphone.
The injunction, which was hard-won by Apple, prevented the phone from being sold in the U.S., but the federal appeals court's panel of judges determined that the California court "abused its discretion" in granting the ban.

At the time, Koh determined that mounting pre-trial evidence against Samsung, in particular related to Apple patents concerning Siri-like search features, justified the injunction.
"Although some consumers may be disappointed that they cannot purchase the Galaxy Nexus, the Galaxy Nexus, as Samsung itself has repeatedly insisted, is not Samsung's only smartphone product on the market," Koh wrote in a July 5 ruling.


Koh obviously totally not understanding the differences between a Nexus device and other Samsung Android handsets.

Here is a Nexus review:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407557,00.asp

The unlocked Samsung Galaxy Nexus is the only way to get pure, unadulterated Jelly Bean (Android 4.1), and it's an unusually good deal for a smartphone that doesn't come with a specific carrier attachment.

So despite the original ruling being overturned by the appeals court, Apple are going after i guess the same patent for another ban?
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:41 PM   #116
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wow. you just aren't getting it, are you? Under U.S. patent law, if you don't "actively" defend your patent, you lose it. Apple MUST file lawsuits against infringing products in order to hold on to their patents.
There is no such provision in U.S. Patent law. You're thinking about Trademark law, which is not the issue here.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:42 PM   #117
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:44 PM   #118
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:44 PM   #119
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Unfortunately, Elisha's patent is now public domain. Obviously Apple didn't invent the stylus. They did as far as I know, invent the technology to translate handwriting with a stylus into editable digital text. I find it quite amusing that so many people are upset with Apple legal. Apple is a big company and they can walk and chew gum at the same time. Apple can make new and better products and at the same time the legal dept. can do it's legal thing. If you don't like Apples legal dept. and it bothers you so much, then I would suggest you move on. Although every company's legal is going to jump if they think they can make some big money.
Do you have any proof to back up your claim of Apple's patent for it's invention then? You cannot come into the argument, make such a bold comment, then fail to back it up with hard evidence.
And this is not a simple choice is it? What if I lived in America and wanted to buy the Note 10.1 but Apple had it banned whilst some bogus trial was going through? Not so easy to 'move on' then is it?
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Can you (Macrumors) just creat a new tab for Lawsuits?
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:47 PM   #121
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"We're going to use the best pointing device in the world. We're gonna use the one we're all born with"...


...cept for flipper babies.
Don't worry, Apple has them covered to:

Go to Settings->Accessibility->FlipperTouch (slide to on position).

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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:48 PM   #122
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That's not my point. View the video above. Apple has no plans whatsoever to implement the use of a stylus in their current or future products. It is a technology that they bash themselves and effectively have abandoned. Now they want to sue Samsung for implementing it? Come the eff on. This is like throwing out an old CRT TV into the garbage, having someone pick it out of your garbage, then pressing charges against that garbage picker for burglary. Pitiful!
You're hilarious...your analogy about the CRT in the garbage has no intrinsic logic and doesn't really pertain to anything. Were talking about "Intellectual Property" something with a high dollar value, not trash. Why people get so ticked about standard business practices is beyond comprehension. I'm curious as to why Apple suing Samsung is so upsetting to you. Be specific.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:49 PM   #123
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lol Apple is really showing off their creative side in all categories! I would hate to battle Apple in court they can pull a win out of nowhere when they put their creativity to it.

Anyway. Go Apple!
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They did rule out smaller iPads too.......
True. And also videos on the iPod. Jobs was more contradictory than the Bible. He was at his best when he was talking.
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Old Nov 6, 2012, 07:52 PM   #125
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Apple probably feel as bored by all this as anyone, but that doesn't mean they should just give up because people are bored hearing about it.

People can say 'just innovate, stop suing people' but there is no point innovating if you can't defend your innovations when others steal those innovations.

It's like saying 'stop spending money on securing your house, that's boring, just buy more stuff to put in your house. If you buy enough nice stuff for your house, it doesn't matter if you keep getting robbed!'. That's not a good plan.
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That's not my point. View the video above. Apple has no plans whatsoever to implement the use of a stylus in their current or future products. It is a technology that they bash themselves and effectively have abandoned. Now they want to sue Samsung for implementing it? Come the eff on. This is like throwing out an old CRT TV into the garbage, having someone pick it out of your garbage, then pressing charges against that garbage picker for burglary. Pitiful!
It's like your old bicycle you have in the garage. You haven't rode in years, but does that make it any less your bike? If the next door neighbor just came and moved it to his garage while you were at work would be happy about it?
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