Go Back   MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Nov 7, 2012, 09:58 AM   #26
iGrip
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Send a message via ICQ to iGrip Send a message via AIM to iGrip Send a message via MSN to iGrip Send a message via Yahoo to iGrip Send a message via Skype™ to iGrip
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderhawks View Post
HALT = $$$$chmalt !

They'll get paid and life goes on.
Exactly. While a third of a billion is LOT of money, Apple has lots and lots and lots more. It will be a temporary dent, or maybe closer to a little ding.

Apple has more money than almost anybody.
iGrip is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 09:59 AM   #27
SeniorGato1
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popeye206 View Post
Just keeping all the lawyers employed.
Judges are former lawyers
__________________
-Current Phone: Verizon iPhone 5S 32
-Previous phones: iPhone 2G, 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, HTC Thunderbolt, Samsung Galaxy Nexus, iPhone 5, S3, S4
-iPad 3 64GB Verizon & iPod Touch 5th Gen
SeniorGato1 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 09:59 AM   #28
Bubba Satori
macrumors 68040
 
Bubba Satori's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: B'ham
Sometimes Karma corn gets stuck in your teeth.
Bubba Satori is offline   4 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:01 AM   #29
Renzatic
macrumors 604
 
Renzatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Who puts the washers in the woods?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bubba Satori View Post
Sometimes Karma corn gets stuck in your teeth.
Sometimes I like sticking candy corn on my teeth, and pretending I'm a sugar vampire.
Renzatic is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:02 AM   #30
MCP-511
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Just forward that check from samesung to VirnetX.
MCP-511 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:04 AM   #31
johncrab
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
If this company has set a goal of shutting down Facetime, it will effectively make its own technology useless. I don't see that happening. They'll work it out. Everyone will make money. Things will move forward. The days of digging in one's heels are in the past. That costs everyone money and tombstones like Netscape are testament to how foolish it is.
johncrab is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:05 AM   #32
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
 
KnightWRX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Quebec, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krazy Bill View Post
Krazy Bill: "Why? Nobody is stupid enough to steal patents you silly old dude."
That's because breaking into the USPTO and changing the name on patents so as to swipe ownership of them is quite an exercise. You'd also have to cover your trail well enough so that when the true owner shows up, he can't prove you stole his patent.

That's why no one steals patents.
__________________
"What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others."
-- Pericles
KnightWRX is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:07 AM   #33
FieldingMellish
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
I'm almost glad about it. Facetime users clogged the wifi down to a crawl at a local Starbucks.
FieldingMellish is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:13 AM   #34
thedeejay
macrumors 65816
 
thedeejay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Toronto, Canada.
300 mill from the 1B from Samsung? No big deal!
Ouch...stock doesn't look too good though
thedeejay is online now   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:13 AM   #35
nebo1ss
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Message to Apple:
"You reap what you sow"
nebo1ss is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:21 AM   #36
gnasher729
macrumors G5
 
gnasher729's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Quote:
Originally Posted by nebo1ss View Post
Message to Apple:
"You reap what you sow"
Here are two attitudes that are deeply irrational and fanboish:

1. "Whenever Apple wins, it is good, and whenever Apple loses, it is bad".
2. "Whenever Apple wins, it is bad, and whenever Apple loses, it is good".
gnasher729 is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:26 AM   #37
ReallyBigFeet
macrumors 68030
 
ReallyBigFeet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by JGowan View Post
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Exactly. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
__________________
13.3" MBA 15" MBP Retina Verizon iPhone 6 64gb iPadAir 128g WiFi
ReallyBigFeet is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:28 AM   #38
kdarling
macrumors G5
 
kdarling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Device engineer 30+ yrs, touchscreens 23+.
Quote:
Originally Posted by iGrip View Post
Apple has more money than almost anybody.
Yes they do, although over $82 billion of it is stuck overseas and wouldn't be available to pay a fee in the U.S.

Quote:
Originally Posted by melendezest View Post
Ouch. Who failed here, Apple's lawyers or their engineering team, with regards to seeing if a patent already existed for what they wanted to implement?
No developer goes around checking tens of millions of patents every time they think of a new solution to a problem... something which occurs up to several times a day. It could take years to write each code section instead of minutes, and software would be impossibly costly to create.

That's why it's bogus when someone says "Oh so-and-so stole code from someone else". That very rarely happens in real life. Most often it's just a case of someone independently coming up with the same idea that some big company with time and money had separately filed a patent for. That's partly why software patents are not even allowed in some countries.
kdarling is online now   1 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:29 AM   #39
Oletros
macrumors 603
 
Oletros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Premià de Mar
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnasher729 View Post
Here are three attitudes that are deeply irrational and fanboish:

1. "Whenever Apple wins, it is good, and whenever Apple loses, it is bad".
2. "Whenever Apple wins, it is bad, and whenever Apple loses, it is good".
3. "Software patents are bad"
You're welcome

And regarding the infringing software, does any knows yhe status of open standard of Facetime? Or was only a broken promise?

Last edited by Oletros; Nov 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM.
Oletros is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:50 AM   #40
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
 
KnightWRX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Quebec, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by gnasher729 View Post
Here are two attitudes that are deeply irrational and fanboish:

1. "Whenever Apple wins, it is good, and whenever Apple loses, it is bad".
2. "Whenever Apple wins, it is bad, and whenever Apple loses, it is good".
That's why this is what I go with :

3. "Whenever courts are involved, it is bad".
__________________
"What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others."
-- Pericles
KnightWRX is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:51 AM   #41
Snowy_River
macrumors 68030
 
Snowy_River's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Corvallis, OR
Send a message via AIM to Snowy_River Send a message via Yahoo to Snowy_River
Quote:
Originally Posted by KnightWRX View Post
Oh, so when it's Apple that's guilty, the patent is broken...

Software patents are just an abheration.
Needing some review and overhaul? Sure. An aberration (i.e. shouldn't exist at all)? I don't think so.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Oletros View Post
And people still say that software patents are good
Software patents, like all patents, ARE good. If you don't provide some protection for time and money invested in research and development needed in most forms of the invention process (including software development), then there is less incentive to innovate. In some areas, that incentive might arguably drop to near zero. So, while the software patent process almost certainly needs to be revamped, software patents are, in principle, good things, just like all other patents.

Quote:
Originally Posted by neuropsychguy View Post
It's broken when Apple wins and broken when Apple loses. The brokenness of the patent system transcends and pre-dates individual rulings.

The fact that Apple or any number of other companies can patent some of the things that they patent is supporting evidence for the need of an overhaul of the patent system. Patents are necessary to protect inventions and innovations but patents are granted with what amounts to arbitrariness in our world of changing technology. The patent system was designed for a much different day and has to be overhauled.
Yes. Nice to see someone else gets it. I would argue that the patent duration should be related to the nature of the patent. Software, an industry that move at amazing speed when compared to other more traditional industries, should arguably be given a protection time that is notably shorter than that provided to patents in other industries. That step alone would be a good start in reforming the patent system with regards to software.
Snowy_River is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:54 AM   #42
LordVic
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Ontario
in all this hoopla and hootenanies...

Just remember one thing

Analysts estimated that last year alone, over 20 Billion dollars was spent in Patent related purchases and lawsuits.

for the first time ever, this value is believed to exceed actual global Reasearch and Development costs in the tech industry.

Just some food for thought.
__________________
“We can't win against obsession. They care, we don't. They win.”
― Douglas Adams, Life, the Universe and Everything
LordVic is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 10:55 AM   #43
Jibbajabba
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by madmin View Post
Dunno bout Facetime but it sure is Facepalm !
^^ that made my day
Jibbajabba is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 11:01 AM   #44
theSeb
macrumors 603
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Poole, England
Quote:
Originally Posted by melendezest View Post
Ouch. Who failed here, Apple's lawyers or their engineering team, with regards to seeing if a patent already existed for what they wanted to implement?

Interesting..Oh, well. You win some, you lose some.

Now pay up, sucker...

Can we please get back to the actual Apple rumors now? So sick of reports of Apple's legal battles!

"I don't caaaaarrrre!!!" -Lloyd (Dumb & Dumber)
It no longer matters. No matter what you do with software and hardware these days somebody has patented the idea, using very broad and general terms. It's absolutely ridiculous. Whether it works for Apple or against them is not a discussion that I care about. The point is that the system, in its current state, is simply a killer of innovation.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowy_River View Post
Needing some review and overhaul? Sure. An aberration (i.e. shouldn't exist at all)? I don't think so.



Software patents, like all patents, ARE good. If you don't provide some protection for time and money invested in research and development needed in most forms of the invention process (including software development), then there is less incentive to innovate. In some areas, that incentive might arguably drop to near zero. So, while the software patent process almost certainly needs to be revamped, software patents are, in principle, good things, just like all other patents.
How are they good? Imagine if someone could patent a for loop or a quick sort? Sorry, but the idea is ridiculous and if you actually read through some software related patents, you will see that what people are allowed to patent is asinine. Most patents are so broadly worded that you cannot write software with functionality beyond a fart app without infringing on some patents that you've never heard of. Are you stealing someone's idea? No.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by kdarling View Post

That's why it's bogus when someone says "Oh so-and-so stole code from someone else". That very rarely happens in real life. Most often it's just a case of someone independently coming up with the same idea that some big company with time and money had separately filed a patent for. That's partly why software patents are not even allowed in some countries.
Indeed.
__________________
What is Other on my HDD?
Throttling, overheating and Geekbench
theSeb is online now   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 11:01 AM   #45
Oletros
macrumors 603
 
Oletros's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Premià de Mar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowy_River View Post
Software patents, like all patents, ARE good. If you don't provide some protection for time and money invested in research and development needed in most forms of the invention process (including software development), then there is less incentive to innovate. In some areas, that incentive might arguably drop to near zero. So, while the software patent process almost certainly needs to be revamped, software patents are, in principle, good things, just like all other patents.
For software we have copyright
Oletros is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 11:04 AM   #46
garbeth
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Brisvegas
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordVic View Post
in all this hoopla and hootenanies...

Just remember one thing

Analysts estimated that last year alone, over 20 Billion dollars was spent in Patent related purchases and lawsuits.

for the first time ever, this value is believed to exceed actual global Reasearch and Development costs in the tech industry.

Just some food for thought.
Some incredibly sad food for thought. What is the world coming to
garbeth is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 11:10 AM   #47
Ryan John
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
You reap what you sow. Be interesting to see if Tim Cook mentions anything about copied technology in relation to this, somehow I think not. Hypocrisy in the extreme.
Ryan John is online now   0 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 11:12 AM   #48
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
 
KnightWRX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Quebec, Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowy_River View Post
Needing some review and overhaul? Sure. An aberration (i.e. shouldn't exist at all)? I don't think so.



Software patents, like all patents, ARE good. If you don't provide some protection for time and money invested in research and development needed in most forms of the invention process (including software development), then there is less incentive to innovate.
Software is protected by Copyright and for some parts, Trademarks (logos, names, etc..).

Patents on software are an aberration and shouldn't exist, software is already protected to provide the incentive to make it.
__________________
"What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others."
-- Pericles
KnightWRX is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 11:21 AM   #49
bearcatrp
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Boon Docks USA
In yet another verdict against apple and the fan boys just bitch about the lost and complain the system is broke. Apple is just as sneaky as the other guy trying to sneaky past paying. Pure greed. Time for apple to shut up, pay, and move on. If apple can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!
__________________
2010 2.66 Mac Mini(SL), ATV3, iPhone 6P, Dual X5670 2.93 Westmere Win7 PC w/48gb ram & 4930K w/32gb ram Win7.
bearcatrp is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Nov 7, 2012, 11:24 AM   #50
TheRainKing
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Will a day ever pass without someone being sued?
__________________
iMac 21.5" 2011
iPhone 4S 16GB
iPad 1st Gen 32GB
TheRainKing is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Apple and Samsung File List of Patent Claims and Accused Products Ahead of Second U.S. Patent Lawsuit MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 41 Feb 6, 2014 04:58 AM
Judge Invalidates Two Samsung Patent Claims Ahead of Second Patent Lawsuit with Apple MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 60 Jan 23, 2014 01:31 PM
Apple Ordered to Pay $3.3 Million in Japanese Lawsuit Over iPod Click Wheel Patent MacRumors Mac Blog Discussion 34 Oct 26, 2013 09:16 AM
Apple to Alter VPN On Demand Behavior in iOS 6.1 and Later Due to VirnetX Lawsuit MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 108 Apr 8, 2013 06:19 PM
VirnetX Files Follow-Up Patent Lawsuit Targeting Apple's Latest Products MacRumors iOS Blog Discussion 36 Nov 14, 2012 02:21 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:04 PM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC