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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:25 PM   #26
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Why not just buy Sharp at a steep discount?
because they don't want the headaches owning & running a company, especially one that is currently a liability.

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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:34 PM   #27
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They will. Apple winning $1 billion by suing Samsung and loosing $2 billion because it had to prop Sharp to get the components they could easily get from Samsung. That makes perfect economic sense (and APPL trend proves it).
Yes,it does, because you need to look a little bit further than just how much money was spent and where it went.

Apple is clearly trying to get away from SAMSUNG and it isn't exactly new that SAMSUNG copies whatever others do (Not only Apple stuff)

So, this is most likely a long term investment!
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:34 PM   #28
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Interesting, but I wonder why Apple wouldn't just buy the production factory outright and have Sharp operate it. That way, if anything happened to them, the plant would not be at risk of shutting down.
Because the ROI will look terrible for the investment. also Apple has no interest in owning a production facility. as of now, they can move to a different vendor if their technology is ahead of Sharp down the road. But once you own that facility, Apple is stuck with the technology, good or bad. IGZO is hot today but the industry can easily move to something else next year. Apple is a serial dater and never make any commitment to it's vendor more than a year or two..
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:41 PM   #29
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'I'Sharp? Sharplle? hummm
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:43 PM   #30
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Apple Sharp

This would make sense since lcd screens plays an important role into Apple's business, namely the Retina technology.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:45 PM   #31
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Why not just buy Sharp at a steep discount?
Sharp likely has significant amount of debt that Apple couldn't assume. IE: They have debt greater than their perceived worth, making them impossible to purchase.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:52 PM   #32
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Better than burning the money for stock dividends.
The folks that received those dividends would likely disagree with you.

As for this money, an amount that high probably has laws saying they would have to be upfront about what happened to it. So I'm thinking if they did invest it in Sharp they would have to say so publicly to someone and we'd know about it. If it was just a grand total of smaller amounts here and there for various things then they might skirt that declaration requirement

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Sharp likely has significant amount of debt that Apple couldn't assume. IE: They have debt greater than their perceived worth, making them impossible to purchase.
couldn't?? something tells me actually they could. if they really wanted the company. So the catch could be if they would want the company that much. Or even one division of it. And that might be the stickler.

Apple could start an ISP, cell company, cable company etc if they really wanted. But they don't. They have said this several times. They have no desire to be all things. So perhaps they don't want to own Sharp and thus wouldn't buy it at this point even if it was up for sale.

In the future that might change, especially if it means getting control of key patents. Hell they might buy those patents and still not buy the whole company.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:54 PM   #33
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Forgive the ignorance, but didn't Sharp come up with IGZO? So would it (if the financials were right) make sense for Apple to simply buy Sharp as to have access to that info exclusively (not to mention the engineers who came up with the tech and could subsequently bolster Apple's own experience in that arena for future innovations)?

Much like they purchased Intrinsity/P.A Semi a few years back and are on the verge of designing their own chips for all of their products - they could still operate Sharp as a foundry much like they use Samsung for production of the A6 and A6X chips.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:56 PM   #34
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I never said Samsung didn't have some fault, simply that it takes 2 to tango.
But you didn't say they did either? Your post made it sound like it was one sided and the one side at fault was Apple? No?
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:57 PM   #35
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Perhaps Apple will skip past standard HD and go for Ultra-HD (aka "4K").

Check out this 84" Sony XBR Ultra-HD TV that has 4X the resolution than standard "full HD" (1080).

http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/sto...ntifier=S_4KTV
4K TV's are sitting at 25,000 right now, don't see anyone dishing that out for a large TV that doesn't even have much content yet...
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:59 PM   #36
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4K TV's are sitting at 25,000 right now, don't see anyone dishing that out for a large TV that doesn't even have much content yet...
They are at least 5 years away from being viable for mass consumption like today's 720p and 1080p TVs are.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 01:59 PM   #37
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this is how real bailouts should happen.. business helping business.. not tax money wasted.
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 02:02 PM   #38
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this is how real bailouts should happen.. business helping business.. not tax money wasted.
Don't get me started......

I notice your location - not that it ended up mattering, but come on!
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4K TV's are sitting at 25,000 right now, don't see anyone dishing that out for a large TV that doesn't even have much content yet...
No worries, that's an 'Apple price' (a price a company like Apple would ask for a product).
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 02:04 PM   #40
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Don't get me started......

I notice your location - not that it ended up mattering, but come on!
what tax money wasted on florida are you referring to?

although coming from texas you are one of the few states that can gripe
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what tax money wasted on florida are you referring to?

although coming from texas you are one of the few states that can gripe
I'm talking about the election results - what do you mean about Texas? We have extremely good tax rates here (especially compared with other states) and business is pretty good. I'll tell you, the only things that give me comfort after what transpired last night are 1) God is ultimately in control and 2) I still live in Texas!
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I'm talking about the election results - what do you mean about Texas? We have extremely good tax rates here (especially compared with other states) and business is pretty good. I'll tell you, the only things that give me comfort after what transpired last night are 1) God is ultimately in control and 2) I still live in Texas!
ah fair enough, the election

I meant that texas is one of the few states that IMO is allowed to gripe that certain states receive an excessive share of the federal govt's purse / attention.

totally misunderstood what you meant :-/
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ah fair enough, the election

I meant that texas is one of the few states that IMO is allowed to gripe that certain states receive an excessive share of the federal govt's purse / attention.

totally misunderstood what you meant :-/
Lol to be honest, I much prefer the fed stays out of our pockets.
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$2 Billion not going save Sharp. It lost $3.1 Billion last quarter and has $10 Billion debt. Sold plants to Foxconn and reported "material doubt" over its corporate survival last quarter. Apple choose a loser as partner.

Here is the complete article.

http://arstechnica.com/business/2012...rate-survival/
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$2 Billion not going save Sharp. It lost $3.1 Billion last quarter and has $10 Billion debt. Sold plants to Foxconn and reported "material doubt" over its corporate survival last quarter. Apple choose a loser as partner.

Here is the complete article.

http://arstechnica.com/business/2012...rate-survival/
Right, because you know better than Apple, and Apple is in the habit of wasting billions of dollars propping up failing companies
Or maybe is it that Apple knows something you don't?

Which is more likely?
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Old Nov 7, 2012, 02:27 PM   #47
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You are "loosing" your ability to read. Apple is prepaying for product that Samsung doesn't produce, IGZO displays.
You can sugar coat what they are doing all you want. They still paid 2B out of pocket which they may or may not ever see again.

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So, this is most likely a long term investment!
If Sharp can stay in business long enough. Who knows.

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Right, because you know better than Apple, and Apple is in the habit of wasting billions of dollars propping up failing companies
Or maybe is it that Apple knows something you don't?

Which is more likely?
Apple isn't infallible. Companies make poor purchasing or business deals all the time. Time will tell.
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Apple isn't infallible. Companies make poor purchasing or business deals all the time. Time will tell.
No, but they sure as heck didn't become the most valuable American company by making poor business decisions and squandering billions on failed companies/partnerships.

I would love if someone knew more regarding IGZO - its development and patents surrounding it. Is this a Sharp tech? Did they come up with it? Apple may simply be angling to buy this portion of the company (and the engineers they employ) for this tech and future display innovations - much like the PA Semi and Intrinsity acquisitions now appear to have been the basis for Apple taking complete control over the design of their chips.
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Right, because you know better than Apple, and Apple is in the habit of wasting billions of dollars propping up failing companies
Or maybe is it that Apple knows something you don't?

Which is more likely?
I am quoting from Sharp's quarterly statement. Please read the article and pdf attached within the article.

Apple has no choice because they screwed their relationship with Samsung.

Apple cornered itself to one major vendor for every component.
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They're not really though. Had they played nice, they wouldn't be forced to rely on Sharp and could use Samsung's production facilities. Instead, they didn't play nice and this 2 billion bailout is a consequence.
Hardly. A single component supply is rarely the right choice if options are available. If there were ten options all producing identical and equally qualified displays, THAT would be a better options than two. It certainly helps nothing that Samsung is a direct competitor in the consumer space, and for the most part Sharp is not.

This would be like the US buying supplies from Russia during the cold war...
(Ironically, the U.S. did just that, but the Russians didn't know what it was for)
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