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Old Jan 16, 2013, 06:28 AM   #26
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hello, does the ASM1061 or any RocketRaid need any OSx modifications (kext...etc)
and does it ... boot ? combined with Fusion drive .
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No. The majority of the cards work out of the box.

It also works with a FD, I tested with the SSD on the card and the HD on the internal ports.
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 07:36 AM   #27
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No. The majority of the cards work out of the box.

It also works with a FD, I tested with the SSD on the card and the HD on the internal ports.
thanks for the fast answer , but what about boot ? directly with those cards !?!

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Old Jan 16, 2013, 11:24 AM   #28
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I boot from mine and the others are either the same controller chip or are supported too.
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Old Jan 17, 2013, 09:17 AM   #29
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Old Jan 19, 2013, 03:51 PM   #30
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Hello
Concorde Rules my english is not so good
when you say:
which theoretically gives us 1GB/sec bandwidth across all four drives
it means even if i put 3 ssd raid O (samsung pro 840x3) in the raid card i can´t go further than 800 MB/sec
thanks a lot for your attention
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Old Feb 4, 2013, 03:06 PM   #31
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Concorde Rules my english is not so good
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which theoretically gives us 1GB/sec bandwidth across all four drives
it means even if i put 3 ssd raid O (samsung pro 840x3) in the raid card i can´t go further than 800 MB/sec
thanks a lot for your attention
Correct. I'd expect about 650-700 max though.
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Old Feb 4, 2013, 03:13 PM   #32
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thanks a lot

thanks a lot for your answer.
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Old Feb 8, 2013, 05:34 AM   #33
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And what about boot camp? Can I add 2 SSD, first for OSX and 2nd for Win7 64bit?

Someone told me that Win7 need a "signed" driver, and Highpoint provide only unsigned driver, so an installation of Windows 7 64bit is impossible (only 32bit).. Can you test it?

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Old Feb 8, 2013, 11:00 AM   #34
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And what about boot camp? Can I add 2 SSD, first for OSX and 2nd for Win7 64bit?

Someone told me that Win7 need a "signed" driver, and Highpoint provide only unsigned driver, so an installation of Windows 7 64bit is impossible (only 32bit).. Can you test it?

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You can turn off the unsigned driver checker thingy and then it should work.

Windows can see the drives attached to the SATAIII card so I see no reason why you can't install to it too...
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Old Feb 9, 2013, 03:05 AM   #35
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Hello,

i confirm that it's running fine, ou of the box !

I found Rocket 640L for 60€
Orico BRP525-2S optical plastic bracket, withe the same design of your Silverstone one for only 6,5€ on Ebay
2 Akasa SATA3 60 cm cables 2,5€/p and a splitter for power SATA 2€

The Rocket 640L working out of the box without any driver or firmware patch, very speed.
The card is bootable, of course.
I will put my results here monday.
The Orico enclosure is a good deal too, i can put 2 SSD and one 3,5" HDD in it, very quickly.

With the same SSD ( Samsung 830), this is my result on the rocket 640L
I will make some RAID test this week ...
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 11:32 AM   #36
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Black Magic Disk Speed Test

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Been hammering it, restarting into Windows and god knows what and I hasn't missed a beat.

So 100% working, as it should do. Good times!
Hello,

Have you ever test your card with Black Magic Disk Speed Test to know how your SSD can get speed with incompressible data?

Sorry for my english, I'm french.

Thank you.

P.-S.: The boot time with this SATA III card is it more longer then the native SATA II?

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Old Feb 20, 2013, 04:10 PM   #37
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Hello,

Have you ever test your card with Black Magic Disk Speed Test to know how your SSD can get speed with incompressible data?

Sorry for my english, I'm french.

Thank you.

P.-S.: The boot time with this SATA III card is it more longer then the native SATA II?

I don't see much point to be honest, it will bench the same as it does on review websites? It works and works well is all that matters.


And I didn't notice a difference, my mac stays asleep 99.9% of the time I'm not using it.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 04:23 PM   #38
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I don't see much point to be honest, it will bench the same as it does on review websites? It works and works well is all that matters.


And I didn't notice a difference, my mac stays asleep 99.9% of the time I'm not using it.
If I'm asking you this question about the boot time, it's because with the PCIe 2.0 Apricorn Velocity Solo x2, we lost 10 second on boot time. I mean the natif SATA II of the Mac Pro is 10 second faster then the Apricorn PCIe card 2.0 x2.

Thank's a lot.
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Old Feb 21, 2013, 04:45 AM   #39
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First paragraph was responding to your request for incompressible tests.

Secondly, honestly not a clue without taking it all apart to swap the card to sata 2.

I get to the desktop in ~30-40 seconds, so I can't imagine it's adding anything to the boot time.

Why does it matter? Keep it asleep instead?
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Old Feb 21, 2013, 08:11 AM   #40
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First paragraph was responding to your request for incompressible tests.

Secondly, honestly not a clue without taking it all apart to swap the card to sata 2.

I get to the desktop in ~30-40 seconds, so I can't imagine it's adding anything to the boot time.

Why does it matter? Keep it asleep instead?
Hi Concorde Rules, ;-)

Well when the boot time of an SSD are not better than a HDD WD Caviar Blue 1TB, I do not think it's great.

To return to the PCIe 2.0 x4, is there any SSD that have succeeded with this card to achieve 500MB/s? I note that all the benchs I've have seen on this thread does not exceed the 46x MB/s in read? Is it the limit speed in read of that card?

Thank's a lot for this thread.
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Old Feb 21, 2013, 08:53 AM   #41
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I don't know what your doing but my SSDs boot faster than a velociraptor let alone some 7200 disk.

To desktop with no HD I/O is half or more faster with the SSD.

The card should be able to do up to 800MB/sec. Here is one of a few reviews showing faster than 500MB/sec.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2011/01/04/high-point-rocketraid-640-review/3

The rocket and rocketraid share the same hardware.

Are you planning on using all 500+ MB/sec? Otherwise not much point caring!!
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Old Feb 21, 2013, 09:38 AM   #42
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I don't know what your doing but my SSDs boot faster than a velociraptor let alone some 7200 disk.

To desktop with no HD I/O is half or more faster with the SSD.

The card should be able to do up to 800MB/sec. Here is one of a few reviews showing faster than 500MB/sec.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/201...d-640-review/3

The rocket and rocketraid share the same hardware.

Are you planning on using all 500+ MB/sec? Otherwise not much point caring!!
Je tenais simplement à souligner qu'avec la carte PCIe 2.0 Apricorn Velocity Solo x2, mon Mac Pro 3.2GHz 2010 démarre aussi vite avec un HDD Caviar Blue 1TB qu'avec un SSD Plextor M3 256GB. D'où mon intérêt d'en savoir plus sur le boot time via la carte HighPoint Rocket 640L PCI-Espress 2.0 x4.

Je me suis commandé un SSD Samsung 840 Pro 256GB et c'est précisément pour cette raison que je vous demandais si la carte HighPoint Rocket 640L PCI-Express 2.0 x4 pouvait atteindre jusqu'à 500MB/s en lecture.

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Old Feb 21, 2013, 11:25 AM   #43
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Hi

I obtain 540Mbits/s With Ricket 640l and a Samsung 840 pro 256Go ( MP 2009 8Cx 2.66Ghz )

I tried a Raid config on the 640L With Samsung 830 and a Samsung 840 256Go.
I had 710 Mbits/s read and write result. I suppose that it's the limit of the Marvell controller on the card.

It's good result for a 60€ card !

For the booting Time, it's same thing using Rocket 640L, velocity x1 card or noname ASM1061 : 10s loose in checking between the power On Burton and the chime ... After it´s very fast !!

I tried 2 card ASM1061 in raid 0 mode With my Samsung 830/840 ... And obtain very similar result than 640L card : 700Mbits/s. Read and Write

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Old Feb 21, 2013, 12:55 PM   #44
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Je tenais simplement à souligner qu'avec la carte PCIe 2.0 Apricorn Velocity Solo x2, mon Mac Pro 3.2GHz 2010 démarre aussi vite avec un HDD Caviar Blue 1TB qu'avec un SSD Plextor M3 256GB. D'où mon intérêt d'en savoir plus sur le boot time via la carte HighPoint Rocket 640L PCI-Espress 2.0 x4.

Je me suis commandé un SSD Samsung 840 Pro 256GB et c'est précisément pour cette raison que je vous demandais si la carte HighPoint Rocket 640L PCI-Express 2.0 x4 pouvait atteindre jusqu'à 500MB/s en lecture.

Thank you.

Well something really isn't right then, because mine boots a hell of a lot faster on my 830 via the 640L than it did with my 300GB velociraptor on onboard SATA!!
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Old Feb 21, 2013, 01:22 PM   #45
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For the booting Time, it's same thing using Rocket 640L, velocity x1 card or noname ASM1061 : 10s loose in checking between the power On Burton and the chime ... After it´s very fast !!

I tried 2 card ASM1061 in raid 0 mode With my Samsung 830/840 ... And obtain very similar result than 640L card : 700Mbits/s. Read and Write
Thanks for sharing the results and they are valuable for people making decisions on what to choose for SATA 3 add-on. I was originally considering RocketRaid 642L but I have no need for RAID and wish they have a non-RAID version. Instead of waiting for the non-RAID version, I ordered two ASM 1061 cheap cards for experimentation and feel much better after reading your post.
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Old Feb 21, 2013, 01:33 PM   #46
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Well something really isn't right then, because mine boots a hell of a lot faster on my 830 via the 640L than it did with my 300GB velociraptor on onboard SATA!!
Je vais le savoir très bientôt puisque j'ai commandé aujourd'hui la carte 640L même si le témoignage de Maxpecas n'est pas du tout rassurant lorsqu'il écrit:

« For the booting Time, it's same thing using Rocket 640L, velocity x1 card or noname ASM1061 : 10s loose in checking between the power On Burton and the chime ... After it´s very fast !! » Maxpecas

J'espère seulement que tu as raison et que mes craintes ne sont pas fondées.

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I obtain 540Mbits/s With Ricket 640l and a Samsung 840 pro 256Go ( MP 2009 8Cx 2.66Ghz )

I tried a Raid config on the 640L With Samsung 830 and a Samsung 840 256Go.
I had 710 Mbits/s read and write result. I suppose that it's the limit of the Marvell controller on the card.

It's good result for a 60€ card !

For the booting Time, it's same thing using Rocket 640L, velocity x1 card or noname ASM1061 : 10s loose in checking between the power On Burton and the chime ... After it´s very fast !!

I tried 2 card ASM1061 in raid 0 mode With my Samsung 830/840 ... And obtain very similar result than 640L card : 700Mbits/s. Read and Write
Thank you for your feedback about the boot time with de 640L card.

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Old Feb 21, 2013, 02:32 PM   #47
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Je pense qu'il faut vraiment en avoir rien à faire du temps de démarrage d'un ordinateur pour ne pas s'apercevoir qu'on peut parfois perdre 10 secondes par rapport au SATA II natif avec certaines cartes PCI Express 2.0 x2 or x4.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 08:37 AM   #48
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Samsung 840 Pro 256GB in SATA II

Mac Pro 3.2GHz 2010

QuickBench version 4.0.1

Read: 273.498 MB/S

Write: 261.111 MB/S

SATA II is the fastest SSD I've ever had. I've tested a Crucial C300 256GB Plextor M3 256GB and under the same conditions and the new Samsung 840 256GB Pro is by far the fastest. It saturates the SATA II read and write almost as one with 26x MB / S. I've never seen a new generation of SSD to be as fast as SATA II, especially on a Mac Pro.

SATA III with the PCIe 2.0 x4, it must tear grave.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 10:24 AM   #49
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With a Crucial m4 SSD in the Velocity X2 boot times are indeed a little longer than with the same SSD in a drive sled. This is apparently because the Power On Self Testing takes longer with the Velocity X2 card installed. It's no big deal the extra time is only 10-20 seconds & I don't reboot very often. Applications start up faster as the read performance is about 500MB/s whereas with the SSD in the drive sled the read performance is about 250MB/s.
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With a Crucial m4 SSD in the Velocity X2 boot times are indeed a little longer than with the same SSD in a drive sled. This is apparently because the Power On Self Testing takes longer with the Velocity X2 card installed. It's no big deal the extra time is only 10-20 seconds & I don't reboot very often. Applications start up faster as the read performance is about 500MB/s whereas with the SSD in the drive sled the read performance is about 250MB/s.
If a PCIe 2.0 x4 or x2 must slow down the boot time of my computer for 10 seconds or more, then I'd rather do without. My Mac Pro is not open 24/24 then boot time is of importance to me.

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