Israel and Palestine in Crises Mode

[Macky-Mac]

Originally Posted by flopticalcube

That would be difficult as the Palestinians and other Arabs are also of Semitic origin....

in any event;

anti-semitic;

While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"), and that has been its normal use since then

[malman89]

Originally Posted by flopticalcube

Its very strange really, isn't it?

It really is. Until this point, it's been those under oppression seeking aid or as a tool for those to rally. The IDF social media is doing a complete 180. It's some really compelling, ballsy, and perhaps crazy stuff. Makes the LA Kings Twitter trolling seem childish.

[thekev]

Originally Posted by thewitt

Hamas has no interest in peace.

You guys need to understand this.

The total destruction of Israel is the only end that Hamas and their backers will accept.

Israel has no choice if they want to survive other than to take overwhelming force into Gaza and destroy Hamas completely.

Sometimes I think you're just baiting people on here.

[flopticalcube]

A good summary of the strategic situation: http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/upd...-gaza-conflict

[Fazzy]

Latest casualty as reported by the BBC:
5 men, 4 women and 9 children. Total of 64 Palestinians killed.

Way to go, that's self defence, right?

[eric/]

Originally Posted by Fazzy

Latest casualty as reported by the BBC:
5 men, 4 women and 9 children. Total of 64 Palestinians killed.

Way to go, that's self defence, right?

How many Israeli's have been killed by rockets?

[Fazzy]

Originally Posted by eric/

how many israeli's have been killed by rockets?

3.

[Eraserhead]

Originally Posted by eric/

How many Israeli's have been killed by rockets?

3.

And that is backed up the Israeli government.

[flopticalcube]

67 people have died needlessly, does it matter what group we lump them in with?

[NT1440]

Originally Posted by eric/

How many Israeli's have been killed by rockets?

3.

You understand that whole proportionality thing I was getting at earlier right?

[Eraserhead]

Originally Posted by flopticalcube

67 people have died needlessly, does it matter what group we lump them in with?

When the rates are out by a factor of 20 I think it is well worth bringing up.

[eric/]

Originally Posted by NT1440

3.

You understand that whole proportionality thing I was getting at earlier right?

Well who is Israel targeting, and who is Palestine targeting? Is Israel targeting Hamas, who is firing rockets, or are they bombing apartment complexes like Hamas?

[Eraserhead]

Originally Posted by eric/

Well who is Israel targeting,

Israel is apparently targeting journalists.

Originally Posted by eric/

or are they bombing apartment complexes an apartment complex like Hamas?

Lets get the numbers right.

[flopticalcube]

Originally Posted by eric/

Well who is Israel targeting, and who is Palestine targeting? Is Israel targeting Hamas, who is firing rockets, or are they bombing apartment complexes like Hamas?

Its nearly impossible to avoid "collateral damage" in Gaza. For every targeted Hamas militant they kill, they are probably killing 10 civilians.

[eric/]

Originally Posted by Eraserhead

Lets get the numbers right.

Well you have to take into consideration the failure of some of Hamas's rockets, and the missile shield intercepting others intended for civilian targets.

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Originally Posted by flopticalcube

Its nearly impossible to avoid "collateral damage" in Gaza. For every targeted Hamas militant they kill, they are probably killing 10 civilians.

Well this is just an unsubstantiated claim.

And do you also not consider that these militants are firing rockets and then hiding in mosques, schools, hospitals, etc?

[Eraserhead]

Originally Posted by eric/

Well you have to take into consideration the failure of some of Hamas's rockets, and the missile shield intercepting others intended for civilian targets

No you really don't, the firepower is disproportionate.

[GermanyChris]

Collateral damage is hard to avoid with indirect fire weapons.

[eric/]

Originally Posted by Eraserhead

No you really don't, the firepower is disproportionate.

lol ok. Hamas gets to fire 600 rockets at Israel, including civilian targets, but Israel gets in trouble when they bomb Hamas, even though they are hiding in hospitals.

this is the perfect example of bias

[Eraserhead]

Originally Posted by eric/

lol ok. Hamas gets to fire 600 rockets at Israel, including civilian targets,

Most of which are little more than fireworks.

Originally Posted by eric/

this is the perfect example of bias

Not at all, would you say it was OK to fire live ammo at stone throwing kids?

[eric/]

Originally Posted by Eraserhead

Most of which are little more than fireworks.

Ok. Then Israeli bombs are fireworks too.

Tell that to the people who are targets of those rockets.

have you ever had somebody fire a rocket or mortar at you? I have. It's not fun at all. In fact, it's offensive to even suggest that these rockets being fired at Israel are little more than rockets.

Delusional to say the least.

Originally Posted by Eraserhead

Not at all, would you say it was OK to fire live ammo at stone throwing kids?

Relevancy to the thread?

[flopticalcube]

Originally Posted by eric/

Well this is just an unsubstantiated claim.

You're right. The actual figure is probably greater than 10:1.

[iJohnHenry]

Originally Posted by flopticalcube

Its nearly impossible to avoid "collateral damage" in Gaza. For every targeted Hamas militant they kill, they are probably killing 10 civilians.

Not surprising, when they launch from civilian areas.

There are lots of arid areas to use for their 'target practice'.

So, who's fault does civilian deaths fall on in that case?

[flopticalcube]

Originally Posted by iJohnHenry

Not surprising, when they launch from civilian areas.

There are lots of arid areas to use for their 'target practice'.

So, who's fault does civilian deaths fall on in that case?

Everyone is to blame when innocents are killed. It is my belief that this "war" is being conducted purely for political purposes on both sides. As the dominant player, only Israel is in a position to stop it now.

[eric/]

Originally Posted by flopticalcube

Everyone is to blame when innocents are killed. It is my belief that this "war" is being conducted purely for political purposes on both sides. As the dominant player, only Israel is in a position to stop it now.

What if Hamas just stopped firing rockets?

[flopticalcube]

Originally Posted by eric/

What if Hamas just stopped firing rockets?

I suspect the IDF would then move in. It would also cause Hamas to lose face amongst the Palestinians which would be politically bad. A suitable exit strategy for both parties is what is needed now.