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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:26 AM   #1
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Quality Speakers for Mac Mini

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Just in the process of burning all my CDs to iTunes (some 1800) with the thought of using my mini as the central hub for my music to share with my Windows laptop and my iPad and iPhone.

My question is how good is the audio out and is the speaker/headphone jack the only way to output sound to speakers? I'm also looking for suggestions for quality speakers as my mini will now be my Hi-Fi as the Cyrus monobloc set I had used is now long gone.

Looking at the likes of the B&W MM-1 and want quality of sound over quantity of sound as I don't need to fill a room only sitting a couple of feet away from the speakers.

Also, is there any way to enhance the audio output through settings or apps?

Thanks in advance
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:37 AM   #2
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I'd try both to see if you can notice the difference, but I usually prefer to use usb when I can.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:39 AM   #3
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Yes. If you want the best then consider getting an Audio Receiver that expects an optical cable and connect the two wi9th some killer sound processing and good speakers that you can buy separately.

Then do some test runs important album audio using losses and/or .mp4. Go with what you like.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:43 AM   #4
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I've found the audio out to be quite good. have mine feeding into a Roksan Caspian amp - then antique Mordaunt Short floor standers. Ive also used a cyrus 1 and Linn Index. (both second hand from Ebay) to good effect.

to be honest starting from scratch thats the way I would go. a cheap 2nd hand 'quality' small amp like an old Cyrus or NAD or similar and decent bookshelf speakers.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:45 AM   #5
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Hi all

Just in the process of burning all my CDs to iTunes (some 1800) with the thought of using my mini as the central hub for my music to share with my Windows laptop and my iPad and iPhone.

My question is how good is the audio out and is the speaker/headphone jack the only way to output sound to speakers? I'm also looking for suggestions for quality speakers as my mini will now be my Hi-Fi as the Cyrus monobloc set I had used is now long gone.

Looking at the likes of the B&W MM-1 and want quality of sound over quantity of sound as I don't need to fill a room only sitting a couple of feet away from the speakers.

Also, is there any way to enhance the audio output through settings or apps?

Thanks in advance
if you don't use the digital spdif connection of the mini you will be using the internal DAC component of the mini. If you want to improve it, you can use external DAC by sending out a digital signal instead of going analog.

You can route the digital SPDIF to carry out the digital signal to a device like : http://shop.emotiva.com/collections/.../products/xda2

from the XDA2 you can have active speakers (like the Airmotiv 5 or 6 Powered Studio Monitor).

you can also hook the XDA to an amp and hook any speakers to that.

Overkill but possibilities are endless.. you can also hook the SPDIF to an AVR and hook your speaker to the AVR.

the XDA2 can also be connected via USB (192khz/24b).

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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:54 AM   #6
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I have the B&W MM-1s and they are excellent, best desktop speakers I've ever had. I connect via USB which means I'm using the DAC in the speakers.

I'm no audiophile but I've had my fair share of pretty good audio equipment over the years and these do a surprisingly good job for their size. They look fantastic with an iMac / thunderbolt display too.

They are expensive though. I managed to grab a pair for 299 (normally 399 in the UK) and I'm very happy with them.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 11:02 AM   #7
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Check the reviews, good sound for $170.00

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...=REG&A=details
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 01:28 PM   #8
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How does the internal speaker on a Mac Mini compare to the internal speaker on an iMac?

is the Mac Mini significantly worse?
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 01:43 PM   #9
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Mac Mini internal speakER (singular)...

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How does the internal speaker on a Mac Mini compare to the internal speaker on an iMac?

is the Mac Mini significantly worse?
...sounds terrible compared to the internal speakerS on my 2006 iMac.

I guess mono is the main reason for that, but not the only reason the sound is so bad.

By the way, does anyone know how I could use my iMac's internal speakers while running both computers? I tried connecting audio out from the Mini to audio in on the iMac. When external input is selected in System Preferences on the iMac, Sound shows activity, but I can't hear anything.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 03:44 PM   #10
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My question is how good is the audio out and is the speaker/headphone jack the only way to output sound to speakers? I'm also looking for suggestions for quality speakers as my mini will now be my Hi-Fi as the Cyrus monobloc set I had used is now long gone.
I can honestly say my Mini sounds quite awesome connected to my Onkyo 5.1 Dolby Digital/DTS system.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 04:37 PM   #11
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Certainly not in the "affordable" department for some, but I use these with my iMac: AudioPro LV2e http://www.audiopro.com/node/458

Absolute sonic perfection in a desktop system. And many versatile uses as well.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 08:18 PM   #12
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How does the internal speaker on a Mac Mini compare to the internal speaker on an iMac?

is the Mac Mini significantly worse?
I'd say it is sufficient for the boot chime of the Mini, but for the rest you need real speakers.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 08:22 PM   #13
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 04:39 AM   #14
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I think it is time for some amplifier builders to take their lineup to 2012. I mean, those 5.1-7.2 receivers are total over the top for todays demands.
We need this:
- Decent Tripath / DDS amplifier (90% efficient so cool running). Either 2 or 5 channel (I don't bother about subs or 4 rear speakers).
- Built in DAC or PCM/DD/DTS->DDS converter
- Built in mediaplayer on open standards, with user upgradable software, with SD slot/USB/Ethernet
- NO POWERBRICKS
- One HDMI in, One HDMI out, and optical IN.
- 2 or 5 speaker terminals
- <10 W power consumption when playing (if you go to insane audio levels this off course will increase a lot).

I now use a simple Tripath stereo amp on a minijack cable from my Mini (at 15 watt consumption it is really loud with good quality sound), with decent Canton tower speakers, and that is already amazing, but not covering everything I use my Onkyo receiver for yet.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 06:01 AM   #15
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Audioengine 5+ or A2, and the Audioengine D1.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 06:31 AM   #16
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Audioengine 5+ or A2, and the Audioengine D1.
I second that, ive got the Audioengine 5:s and i love em.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 07:09 AM   #17
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Hi all

Just in the process of burning all my CDs to iTunes (some 1800) with the thought of using my mini as the central hub for my music to share with my Windows laptop and my iPad and iPhone.

My question is how good is the audio out and is the speaker/headphone jack the only way to output sound to speakers? I'm also looking for suggestions for quality speakers as my mini will now be my Hi-Fi as the Cyrus monobloc set I had used is now long gone.

Looking at the likes of the B&W MM-1 and want quality of sound over quantity of sound as I don't need to fill a room only sitting a couple of feet away from the speakers.

Also, is there any way to enhance the audio output through settings or apps?

Thanks in advance
If you just need speakers why don't you take a look at active nearfield monitor speakers? Good ones (not the best) start at around 200,-- $ i think (M-Audio f.e.) and can be directly attached to the mini. Of course an external DAC will be better than a direct connection of speakers to the mini, but a good external DAC can provide a good signal to the active monitors.

There are a lot of apps for audio manipulation like HEAR from PROSOFT engineering.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 07:13 AM   #18
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here you go


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-82117405-L0M

use with an amp like this


http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/50-4606


or an amp like this

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=310-312
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 07:30 AM   #19
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My question is how good is the audio out and is the speaker/headphone jack the only way to output sound to speakers? I'm also looking for suggestions for quality speakers as my mini will now be my Hi-Fi as the Cyrus monobloc set I had used is now long gone.

Thanks in advance
Speaker/headphone is not the only output. You best bet is to look for an Airplay solution that lets you ty in a high audio solution through your home network. It permits multiple routing otions for sound play. There are many speaker on the market with it built in, but the Airport Express provides the most flexibility.

I have a Mac mini acting as media/file hub for the house. I use An Airport Express to stream music to the home stereo system. And Apple TV to stream music/movies to my HT system. I can also route sound/music from other devices such as my iMacs or iPad. Adding speakers to your home is easy as well. This past summer, I added a portable Airplay speaker to the network for use on the patio or in the garage.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 09:22 AM   #20
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If you just need speakers why don't you take a look at active nearfield monitor speakers? Good ones (not the best) start at around 200,-- $ i think (M-Audio f.e.) and can be directly attached to the mini. Of course an external DAC will be better than a direct connection of speakers to the mini, but a good external DAC can provide a good signal to the active monitors.

There are a lot of apps for audio manipulation like HEAR from PROSOFT engineering.
I would also recommend looking into active speakers. Like cathul mentioned, you can get good pair for about $200. If you want good sound, the biggest impact comes from the speakers.

Especially if you can afford the extra $100 more than typical PC/MAC speaker set (e.g. Logitech or H/K Sound Sticks).

It's very personal thing what kind of sound you like. I would not suggest "studio monitors" like Genelec etc. just because I don't like how they sound, although they've been widely popular among mac users.

I would recommend you take a quick tour in a local store which has some active monitors available and make your pick.
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I second that, ive got the Audioengine 5:s and i love em.
thirded, I have the original 5's and they're awesome. Do add a sub if you want to play popular music, i.e. top 40 stuff. For those who remember, I have the Asub.
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 09:50 AM   #22
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Wow, thank you all for your input.

I know that feeding into a dedicated amp and quality speakers would give the best results but half the idea of of going from a PC, albeit an SFF Shuttle, to the Mac Mini was to unclutter the desk and get a modern minimalist look to my office.

I like the fact that the B&W MM1 have a built in DAC, I was unaware that they took a feed out of a USB port. I like that they are small and non ported and therefore not fussy about placement and match the minimalism of the rest of the Apple peripherals and my Samsung Monitor.

I also think I'll like their sonic character as I had B&W CDM1s on the end of my Cyrus audio system.

Last but not least and without wanting to offend anyone, they are British.

I will get a pair to home trial and look at the other options offered too as there are a couple of options I'd not thought of.

With regard to ripping CDs I noticed that I have been ripping to AAC and iTunes plus, should I instead be ripping to Apple Lossless and High Quality 128kbps ? All music is through iTunes. and does Apple Lossless take up less space than AAC?

Thanks again for all your help.
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With regard to ripping CDs I noticed that I have been ripping to AAC and iTunes plus, should I instead be ripping to Apple Lossless and High Quality 128kbps ? All music is through iTunes. and does Apple Lossless take up less space than AAC?

Thanks again for all your help.
I only rip to AIFF. I don't like compression schemes. Hard drives are cheap. 16/44 AIFF is the worst resolution I will listen to. I do most of my listening at 24/88 and 24/96 AIFF.
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Wow, thank you all for your input.

I know that feeding into a dedicated amp and quality speakers would give the best results but half the idea of of going from a PC, albeit an SFF Shuttle, to the Mac Mini was to unclutter the desk and get a modern minimalist look to my office.

I like the fact that the B&W MM1 have a built in DAC, I was unaware that they took a feed out of a USB port. I like that they are small and non ported and therefore not fussy about placement and match the minimalism of the rest of the Apple peripherals and my Samsung Monitor.

I also think I'll like their sonic character as I had B&W CDM1s on the end of my Cyrus audio system.

Last but not least and without wanting to offend anyone, they are British.

I will get a pair to home trial and look at the other options offered too as there are a couple of options I'd not thought of.

With regard to ripping CDs I noticed that I have been ripping to AAC and iTunes plus, should I instead be ripping to Apple Lossless and High Quality 128kbps ? All music is through iTunes. and does Apple Lossless take up less space than AAC?

Thanks again for all your help.
Since it sounds like you don't have a hard budget req. just go with the B&Ws since it also includes a dac and will match the design of your other components.
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Audioengine 5+ or A2, and the Audioengine D1.
I'll add a plus on the AudioEngine 5+ speakers. I have a pair connected to an Airport Express in our bedroom. iPad is close by; we stream iTunes, TuneIn Radio and some Sleep Apps. Sound is great; love the setup. You can usually find at least a 10% coupon.
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