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Old Dec 17, 2012, 12:52 PM   #1
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Senator Manchin supports gun debate

Maybe finally we'll make some progress here.

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West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, an "A" rated member of the NRA, on Monday questioned the availability of assault weapons and suggested Friday's shooting in Newtown, Conn. has opened up the issue for debate.

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Manchin issued criticism of assault weapons, saying, "I don't know anyone in the sporting or hunting arena that goes out with an assault rifle. I don't know anybody that needs 30 rounds in a clip to go hunting. I mean, these are things that need to be talked about."
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Old Dec 17, 2012, 12:58 PM   #2
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Former Congressman Joe Scarborough is on board.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/joe-sc...uo-152168.html
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Old Dec 17, 2012, 01:08 PM   #3
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We've been down this road before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal...lt_Weapons_Ban

I think it's worthwhile reading the whole article, not just to see which weapons and features were banned, but also a summary since the ban expired in 2004.
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Old Dec 17, 2012, 01:38 PM   #4
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It's good to see high profile types step up, but I firmly believe that it's going to take a much greater tragedy than this before anything serious is accomplished. The NRA is too vocal and too callous to care about 'only' 20 kids.
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Old Dec 17, 2012, 01:42 PM   #5
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It's good to see high profile types step up, but I firmly believe that it's going to take a much greater tragedy than this before anything serious is accomplished. The NRA is too vocal and too callous to care about 'only' 20 kids.
I think this time it struck a chord like never before. I really think we will see real change this time. It might take years for it to happen but I think the pressure is building and wont back down.
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Old Dec 17, 2012, 02:05 PM   #6
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I think this time it struck a chord like never before. I really think we will see real change this time. It might take years for it to happen but I think the pressure is building and wont back down.
We're coming up on the 2-year anniversary of the Gabbie Giffords shooting in Tucson (another "lone psycho" incident, FWIW). I don't recall any significant change in the Federal legislative landscape after her shooting.

Call me cynical, but I don't expect any significant change this time, either. Something mostly symbolic may pass, but I expect it to be roughly like the 1994-2004 "assault weapon" ban, both in scope and effectiveness.
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Old Dec 18, 2012, 06:08 AM   #7
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That's good; more is better; but the President need to take the lead and "walk the talk".

In addition the first investors jumping from board: http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/18/news...html?hpt=hp_t2
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Old Dec 18, 2012, 06:40 AM   #8
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I do not think anything permanent will be done until there is a discussion about the relationship between the government and the people. Guns in the US are not just viewed as a means of recreation and protection from criminals, but as a deterrent to the formation of a tyrannical government. Given that the police and army are armed, and therefore an potential source of abuse of power, it would unsettle many in the US. Let us suppose that guns were banned in the US - would there be the political will to ban guns from police officers on routine patrol, as is the practice in the UK? Perhaps that is the way to go....
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Remove the weapon from the police will take another 10 to 15 years; until they can be safe that the number of circulating guns is drastic reduced.

But even after that I'm fine with each member of the police have a gun. UK is a great role model; but I don't feel bad in Germany or Japan where the police even on regular patrol carry a gun. It still give them a slight advantage in case needed to do their job.

But the strategy must be to reduce the number of events. I don't want to warm up the stories from NYC (Empire State Building or Broadway) earlier this year but I'm sure those would have been differently solved when the police could be more confident not to get shot.
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Old Dec 18, 2012, 11:22 AM   #10
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You know the tide is shifting when the NY Post's opinion page writes this.

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Has technology rendered the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution obsolete?

That is, has the application of modern military design to civilian firearms produced a class of weapons too dangerous to be in general circulation?

We say: Yes.

Adam Lanza broke into the Sandy Hook Elementary School last Friday morning armed with a “sporting” version of the US military’s principal assault weapon, plus two equally deadly handguns.

In the blink of an eye, he killed 26 people — including 20 small children, all of them shot multiple times.

How many bullets did Lanza fire?

Unclear.

Did he have to pull a trigger to discharge each round?

Yes.

But the fact is that the volume of fire produced by Lanza’s semi-automatic arsenal was substantively the same as the fully automatic “gangster guns” effectively outlawed by Congress in 1934 and again in 1968.

That ban did no real violence to the 2nd Amendment, so it’s hard to see how constraining the availability of high-tech military knockoffs would do so today.

An actual crackdown, of course, will be an entirely different matter.

The Supreme Court in 2008 dispatched the notion that the 2nd Amendment applies only to members of “militias” — ruling that it indeed guarantees the right of individuals to own firearms for self-defense in federal jurisdictions.

Two years later, the court emphatically extended the concept to the states.

And then there’s the politics of guns.

There are enough privately owned firearms in America almost literally to arm every adult citizen.

And Adam Lanza’s rifle of choice — the M-16 knock-off Bushmaster — is insanely popular, just for starters.

Which underscores the fact that historically there is scant political will for weapons control. And it’s unlikely that there will be, once the Sandy Hook slaughter fades from the nation’s consciousness.

But that won’t negate the need for reform. Weapons designed expressly to kill human beings, and then modified (wink wink) to meet the federal machine-gun ban, have no legitimate place in American society.

Time to get rid of them.
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