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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:41 PM   #51
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If's HSPA+ then why not just go with a Nexus 4 for half the money?
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:42 PM   #52
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If this is true, then that pretty much confirms T-Mobile is probably getting the iPhone 5 next week. Apple probably wants to get as many sales in as possible before the pre-paid carriers get their models of unlocked.
really? subsided iPhone on t-mobile ($199) and unlocked iPhone ($649) does not have any relation ...
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:44 PM   #53
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I've always wondered this, but why are unlocked or off contract smartphones more expensive than iPad/tablets?
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:46 PM   #54
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:47 PM   #55
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The unlocked model has less LTE bands then Verizon model
as show in screenshot attached.
As i have a Verizon 64GB Unlocked no need to buy an unlock money went to buying a iPad mini 64GB Verizon also unlocked

Also stated in this URL: http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:50 PM   #56
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If this is true, then that pretty much confirms T-Mobile is probably getting the iPhone 5 next week. Apple probably wants to get as many sales in as possible before the pre-paid carriers get their models of unlocked.
Apple gets paid either way.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:51 PM   #57
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Those of you complaining that it's expensive for an unlocked iPhone, it's really not. Every other major unlocked smartphone is just as expensive. Look at the Galaxy S3, an unlocked 16GB starts at $599. $50 more than a 16GB iPhone 5.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy...xy+s3+unlocked
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:54 PM   #58
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Apple gets paid either way.
Apple gets paid more through their selling of an unlocked model.

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Those of you complaining that it's expensive for an unlocked iPhone, it's really not. Every other major unlocked smartphone is just as expensive. Look at the Galaxy S3, an unlocked 16GB starts at $599. $50 more than a 16GB iPhone 5.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy...xy+s3+unlocked
Yep and it's cheaper over the long run. Those that can't afford the upfront cost really shouldn't be owning a smart phone.

If you aren't willing to save over $600-$1000 on average over two years or more then you really shouldn't be talking about how expensive it is.

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I've always wondered this, but why are unlocked or off contract smartphones more expensive than iPad/tablets?
Lots are asking the same thing. How an antenae can jack the cost up so much with a smaller device, smaller screen, etc. Obviously it's profit margins for Apple.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:54 PM   #59
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I've always wondered this, but why are unlocked or off contract smartphones more expensive than iPad/tablets?
You don't know?

Apple's iPhone twice as profitable per unit as iPad

iPhones make 49-58% profit.
iPads make 23-32% profit.

While you might be paying $199 upfront for a contract iPhone, the carrier is paying the rest ($650 – $199 = $451) to Apple. In other words, you're indirectly paying Apple the remaining ~$451 over the course of the duration of your contract.

With an unlocked iPhone, Apple is looking to make the same amount of profit, thus charging the entire $650.

It's not exactly rocket science.

Contracts, at end of the day, especially in the USA, are absurdly expensive. Why the hell would I want to blow $100+ per month on a cell phone connection? Americans don't know any better. Mobile networks are MUCH cheaper outside of the USA.

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Old Nov 29, 2012, 02:58 PM   #60
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Those of you complaining that it's expensive for an unlocked iPhone, it's really not. Every other major unlocked smartphone is just as expensive. Look at the Galaxy S3, an unlocked 16GB starts at $599. $50 more than a 16GB iPhone 5.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Galaxy...xy+s3+unlocked
Other way around, it's $50 less than an 16GB iPhone 5.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:00 PM   #61
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My -only- gripe w/ Straight-Talk right now is their lack of any sort of tethering option.
True - you have to jailbreak to get tethering, though you just need a file editor for Facetime over cellular (search for 3Gvenice).
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:05 PM   #62
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No thanks. I'll pay somebody on ebay a fraction of the cost and get it unlocked.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:05 PM   #63
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Who the hell writes this stuff?
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:07 PM   #64
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What network does straight talk use?
When you buy the sim you can choose between AT&T or T-Mobile. If you get the free phone deal to get the sim for free then it's a gamble depending on your zip code and the phone model.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:07 PM   #65
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Those of you complaining that it's expensive for an unlocked iPhone, it's really not. Every other major unlocked smartphone is just as expensive. Look at the Galaxy S3, an unlocked 16GB starts at $599. $50 more than a 16GB iPhone 5.
I'm not looking at the 16GB version which is on par for the market. I'm looking at the idiocy of the 64GB model. If anyone is paying almost $1K for a phone they really have lost all sense of reason. Especially when it's entirely a storage-based markup.

16GB S3 plus a 64GB SD Card? $650.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:08 PM   #66
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I don't think some people realize how expensive it is to design, build, distribute and support such advanced devices. There's tons of costs that need to be covered that you don't *see*.
Like filling up their bank of 100+ billion.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:08 PM   #67
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Maybe I just don't understand, but I think it would be better to wait for the next iteration of the iPhone 5 or stick with a 4S if you're going the unlocked route.

I mean, there are still three versions of the iPhone 5 -- unlocked or not, correct? If you go with an unlocked iPhone 5 that can access AT&T's LTE network and then decide six months later you want to use Verizon's LTE network instead, you're out of luck with that phone you just paid between $649 and $849 for.

If I were going the unlocked route, I'd rather wait for an iPhone with the 5's technology (LTE, larger screen) that only has one model and it works on all LTE bands worldwide. That will probably be one of the biggest features of the next iPhone.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:12 PM   #68
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If I were going the unlocked route, I'd rather wait for an iPhone with the 5's technology (LTE, larger screen) that only has one model and it works on all LTE bands worldwide. That will probably be one of the biggest features of the next iPhone.
You got the larger screen in the 5.

As for the unicorn phone with the all the bands....that's been rumored for years.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:17 PM   #69
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I'm looking at the idiocy of the 64GB model. If anyone is paying almost $1K for a phone they really have lost all sense of reason. Especially when it's entirely a storage-based markup.
I love how people view these things in absolutes. Nobody is forcing you to buy the 64GB version.

Apple is a business. They make money.

I have kids and I take a lot of videos. To me it is worth it to pay extra to have more storage and not have to carry any other devices in my pocket.

That said, I still opt for the 32GB version because it is sufficient. But I don't call people who opt for the 64GB version idiots.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:19 PM   #70
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People on here don't get if you go with a per month plan with t-mobile or straight talk, in a 2 year time frame you're saving upwards to about $500 when all said in done. The downside is that you have to front the ~$700 instead of having it subsidized.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:20 PM   #71
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If you bought a full price phone it was unlocked anyway.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:20 PM   #72
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No thanks. I'll pay somebody on ebay a fraction of the cost and get it unlocked.
THIS! It works and costs 3-8 dollars. See large unlock thread.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1453734
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:22 PM   #73
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THIS! It works and costs 3-8 dollars. See large unlock thread.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1453734
Great, now you have an unlocked phone under contract. What good is that?
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:24 PM   #74
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About bloody time

Welcome to catching up with Australia.

I guess the idea, is you wouldn't BE under contract.... Thats how its done here. You buy from Apple, and pay full price up front
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 03:25 PM   #75
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how much do you save on straight talk? x24 - $450 = ton?
Let's do some math - total cost of ownership in two years

Straight talk: $650 + 24 x $45 = $1,730
AT&T: $199 + $36(activation)2 + 24 x ($40 voice + $20 text + $30 data) x 10% (TAX) = $2,611

So yes, you save $881 for a better plan
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