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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:25 PM   #126
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WHy is this of a MacRumors site ?
Because it's touted to be "the end of iPad" by some fellow MacRumors members here
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:25 PM   #127
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WTF? So it's basically an overpriced laptop.
And the 11" MBA is basically an overpriced netbook. See how that works?
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:26 PM   #128
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$1,000 for a keyboardless laptop? 100 dollar keyboard addons? I think I'll pass.
Not to defend Microsoft, or hate on Apple, but I feel the same could be said for the 11.6 inch Macbook Air. $1,000 for a fancy spec-bumped netbook?

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And the 11" MBA is basically an overpriced netbook. See how that works?
Ahh you beat me to it!
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:27 PM   #129
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Isn't that one of the major selling features? Why include it on RT but not Pro?
My quick opinion: With the Surface Pro Microsoft probably doesn't want to cannibalize their cash cow by lowering its worth and also doesn't want to offend the OEMs by undercutting them massively by giving away Office.( what if OEMs start to demand Office at much lower price?) RT was competing against iPad and Microsoft is charging OEMs for both Windows and Office at the same time so it doesn't really hurt the actual Office sales, I don't think. The pro is a different story though. It is really a PC.

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And the 11" MBA is basically an overpriced netbook. See how that works?
Where do I find a "Netbook" with a i5/i7 processor, battery life, keyboard, trackpad, and the build quality of MBA? I really love to know.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:28 PM   #130
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Indeed. Do you think Microsoft now regrets the day Bill Gates agreed to bail Apple out with an injection of $150 million back in 1997?
It was part of a legal settlement, not really a 'bailout'
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:29 PM   #131
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Wow. Not sounding good for MSFT. Sounding spectacular for AAPL.
Not that I want AAPL to win (except if I happen to be holding stock), but I'm glad that MSFT is losing this. They've proven that they don't care how bad their stuff is as long as the majority of people buy it and even if the majority of people don't buy it. So I'd be glad if anyone were to beat MSFT, including the Linux community.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:29 PM   #132
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Ok I have to admit that if it goes on fire sale for $199 I will pick one, just to hack around with it
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:30 PM   #133
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And the 11" MBA is basically an overpriced netbook. See how that works?
Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the Surface Pro is an overpriced laptop. At least the Air looks nice and runs a good OS, which would give it some use to certain users. Oh, and it doesn't have the word "Pro" in its name.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:30 PM   #134
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may be a full blown OS, but how many people want to use this over a desktop experience that window users are used to.

Apple users have been through this when the ipad 1 came out.... Now is Microsoft's turn, and I don't think their ready.... People are already struggling over the Metro design, there used to a mouse, since they always used one.


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Because it's touted to be "the end of iPad" by some fellow MacRumors members here
fair enough.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:31 PM   #135
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But 40 million iPads is great, right?
Apples (pardon the pun) and oranges my dear lad.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:31 PM   #136
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Sad that Windows 8 has flopped, the sales of the OS and Surface aren't doing as well as they expected.. Not entirely surprised though, I've been seeing constant complaints by advanced and basic users all over the internet..
Windows 8 isnt a flop by any means, they've sold 40 million in the first month, same as windows 7. Either way you count it windows dominates apple in computer os
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:31 PM   #137
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And the 11" MBA is basically an overpriced netbook. See how that works?
Most netbooks have an Atom processor which is substantially underpowered compared to the Core 2 Duo in the Macbok Air.

Without an SSD drive while we are at it.

A more fair comparison would be with an Ultrabook.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:32 PM   #138
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Rubbish.
True, if you are talking PC laptops. Many of them aren't much better

But Apple makes some fine, popular laptops with a battery life of up to 7-8 hours
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:32 PM   #139
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How much do they weigh?
Weight wasn't mentioned in the comparison to laptop battery life. The comment was simply that the surface has half an average laptop's battery life. That comment is reasonably accurate when you take into account some laptops are getting up to 24+ hrs now (and yes, sure some crappy ones are down near 3 hrs).

The 10 hr 12" machines are comparable in weight to a 13" MBP. Sure if you pull the spec sheet up there may be a difference (haven't checked), but they are by no means not portable.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:32 PM   #140
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Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the Surface Pro is an overpriced laptop. At least the Air looks nice and runs a better OS, which would give it some use to certain users.
Don't feed the troll.

Overpriced or not MBA is a laptop, not a laptop trying to be a tablet or a tablet trying to be a laptop.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:33 PM   #141
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Apples (pardon the pun) and oranges my dear lad.
That's the way it always is here if the numbers don't favor Apple.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:33 PM   #142
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This is the funniest ****ing thing I have read all day
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:33 PM   #143
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Most netbooks have an Atom processor which is substantially underpowered compared to the Core 2 Duo in the Macbok Air.
Please update your facts: the MacBook Air is using an Ivy Bridge Core i5/i7 ULV processor.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:34 PM   #144
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Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that the Surface Pro is an overpriced laptop. At least the Air looks nice and runs a good OS, which would give it some use to certain users. Oh, and it doesn't have the word "Pro" in its name.
Purely subjective.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:34 PM   #145
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Don't feed the troll.

Overpriced or not MBA is a laptop, not a laptop trying to be a tablet or a tablet trying to be a laptop.
He's not a troll, just a guy who almost always criticizes Apple. At least he has good reason to in this case, but it doesn't offer one bit of defense for MS.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:38 PM   #146
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He's not a troll, just a guy who almost always criticizes Apple. At least he has good reason to in this case, but it doesn't offer one bit of defense for MS.
I wasn't trying to defend MS. I was just pointing out how it works both ways. When the 11" MBA first came out, many here said it was an overpriced netbook. That is why I posted what I did. And I wasn't criticizing you either. I think that you know that from our prior discussions.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:38 PM   #147
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WTF? So it's basically an overpriced laptop.
Can't we just say the "Pro" does more .... ?
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:38 PM   #148
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He's not a troll, just a guy who almost always criticizes Apple. At least he has good reason to in this case, but it doesn't offer one bit of defense for MS.
As always, the people who claim to be objective and preach that we should criticize apple because it is the objective thing to do, somehow always lose their sense of objectivity and facts when it's something that favors Apple (Really? Calling an i5/i7 equipped computer a "Netbook"?)
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:38 PM   #149
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Purely subjective.
What do you want me to do, compare specs? They're about the same except that the Surface has a better screen and battery while the Air has more ports and the ability to run any OS. I'd consider the Surface a better deal for the hardware, but it's still a bad deal, and it's supposed to be "Pro". The Air is clearly not for someone who cares about specs.
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Old Nov 29, 2012, 09:39 PM   #150
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Please update your facts: the MacBook Air is using an Ivy Bridge Core i5/i7 ULV processor.
Thanks for help in reinforcing my view point.
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