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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:39 AM   #76
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Just curious ... are these result with or without the contributions of fusion drives?
These benchmarks only peg the CPU. They're ignoring the GPU and storage drive, which is really where the new iMac outshines the previous generations.

...well, at least on the GPU front.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:40 AM   #77
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So in exchange for more money, we get slightly faster performance which will be invisible to almost EVERY user of an iMac, no optical drive, a non-user upgradable machine, and a new design that values form over function.

In short, the new iMac joins the Macbook Air and the retina Macbook Pro as a disposable computer.

Apple, in my view, needs to get over its obsession with thinness.

And why, given the weight reduction and the elimination of the optical drive, does it cost MORE?
Just get an external drive and shut up. You can stick it next to your external floppy (I'm assuming you are collecting antique hardware). Personally I didn't use optical media for like 5 years.

And how people can complain that it's thin? ****, it's gotten to the point where it seems people think it's cool to hate on Apple for no logical reason whatsoever. Apple will remove stuff nobody uses and make their products thin/compact/good looking. It's their trademark! Maybe you need to go back to a huge beige PC tower to remember why you went with Apple the first place.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:40 AM   #78
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All the negative comments are just people who want to feel better about their current setup. Evident as the sun.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:41 AM   #79
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Does it cost more?

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So in exchange for more money, we get slightly faster performance which will be invisible to almost EVERY user of an iMac, no optical drive, a non-user upgradable machine, and a new design that values form over function.

In short, the new iMac joins the Macbook Air and the retina Macbook Pro as a disposable computer.

Apple, in my view, needs to get over its obsession with thinness.

And why, given the weight reduction and the elimination of the optical drive, does it cost MORE?
I tried to find 2011 prices, but only saw for the 27 inch models which cost about the same. So I doubt there was much of an increase for the 21 inch model. Besides the modest performance increase tied to the ivy vs sandy bridge that we've known about for six or seven months, there are other noticeable improvements for 2012. Double the memory from 4 to 8, a much improved screen with less glare and wider view and better color, and a better graphics card. I share your opinion about thinness and I'll miss the optical drive, but I'll buy a bluray combo and keep it in a drawer for the limited times ill use it, mainly for software installation. I also covet the fusion drive option. Jury is still out on how user serviceable it will be, but today's news brings some hope you or a computer shop can add memory and change gpu and CPU on the 21 inch. We'll see.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:42 AM   #80
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Holy crap...all the people complaining need to really put a cork in it.

If you don't like the product, don't buy it. Simple.

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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:43 AM   #81
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AFAIK, Geekbench only tests CPU and RAM performance. So any upgrades in GPU, SSD etc. wont be measured.
Trouble is Geekbench scores mean very little. Which one of those iMacs will beat my Mac Pro, (1st gen), in converting a movie file using Handbrake? None of them? All of them? By how much?
Can it run games that my 5770 can't or vice versa?
That's real world use.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:43 AM   #82
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All the negative comments are just people who want to feel better about their current setup. Evident as the sun.
And I'd wager most of the "too thin" comments are from over weight individuals. Just sayin . . . (calm down, just kiddin)
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:43 AM   #83
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Where them new Mac Pro's already...
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:45 AM   #84
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Trouble is Geekbench scores mean very little. Which one of those iMacs will beat my Mac Pro, (1st gen), in converting a movie file using Handbrake? None of them? All of them? By how much?
That's real world use.

1st gen? I'd guess most or all of them. At least the 27's for sure.

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Where them new Mac Pro's already...
They will announce that the day after I can't return the new imac anymore.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:45 AM   #85
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My guess is the 27" will show around 13500 on Geekbench for the 3.4GHz model. That is what I am guessing.

a 3.33GHz 6-core Mac Pro is about 16500 to give you perspective.
Just ran the 32-bit Geekbench on my 12-core MP (running 10.6.8) and got 22562. Circles indeed.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:46 AM   #86
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Only a 15% improvement while removing key components? No thanks.


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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:47 AM   #87
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Just ran the 32-bit Geekbench on my 12-core MP (running 10.6.8) and got 22562. Circles indeed.
That only proves how weighted the bench is to multi cores. We should be running something more real world rounded.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:47 AM   #88
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1st gen? I'd guess most or all of them. At least the 27's for sure.

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They will announce that the day after I can't return the new imac anymore.
Still tho. The Geekbench scores mean nothing, (almost). I can see how one Mac with a very high geekbench score can't run a game that a Mac with a significantly lower score can.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:50 AM   #89
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Almost all of the time, the benchmarks only compare the new to the old. What about switchers? I have a 2008 Mac Pro that's growing a little long in the tooth. I'd love to wait for the "new" Mac Pro, but who knows what it's going to be or how much it is. I don't know if I can spend another $3000 on a Mac.

I'm seriously considering switching to a 27" iMac. But I'd like to know on what order of magnitude it'll smoke my 4 year old Mac Pro. I played around with the last gen iMac at the Apple Store for 15 minutes months ago and I wasn't at all impressed with its shoddy multitasking and window/app switching with multiple pro apps open. I had Aperture, Logic and some other stuff open and it really started to bog down. And that was without actually "doing anything". I guess there's something to be said for that $300 ATI card in my Mac Pro.

But if I can get a new iMac for $1000 less that's faster, I might just consider it. I mean, I'd never buy the high end 12-core Mac Pro option anyway. It's just way too expensive.

The benchmarks on the site pretty much show the new iMac as being on-par with the entry-level 2010 Mac Pro. So you guys think it's safe to assume that the new iMac will be the same as my slightly upgraded 2008 Mac Pro with the upgraded ATI card and 8G of RAM?
I can help you with that....

I've got a 2008 2.8 8core MP (16gb ram, 1hdd for OS and 3x500hdd in RAID 0) and a 2011 27inch 3.4ghz i7 iMac with 16gb ram, 512 SSD + 1tb hdd. I only recently installed the SSD and have owned the imac for over a year.

Its peformance completely beasts the mac pro in everything. I use both machines regularly for pro photo editing, video work and 3D rendering. In all the applications I use the iMac gives me the best experience. Now that i've added a 512 SSD to the iMac this thing is lightning fast.

I'd happily buy a new standard 27inch imac with the upgraded graphics card then personally i'd up the ram, install an SSD and even replace the cpu to a 3.5ghz i7. iFixit and various other sites have made it deliciously easy to do all of the above too
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:50 AM   #90
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All the negative comments are just people who want to feel better about their current setup. Evident as the sun.
You nailed it. I just bought a fully loaded iMac 27. Will be used for advanced web designing and to watch walking dead or other tv series when I am too exhausted to walk down stairs to watch them on my 60 inch Samsung UN60ES8000F led 3d tv.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:51 AM   #91
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this minimal performance increase was expected was it not?
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:54 AM   #92
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this minimal performance increase was expected was it not?
For the same ghz speed, it seems like a good bump to me.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:54 AM   #93
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The geek bench number is nice, but not a qualifier when comparing dual to single core Macs. That said, these speed bumps are dismal. Buy a mini--save a dollar or two.
And pair it with some hideous plastic Dell monitor and cheap Logitech keyboard? Yuck, no thanks.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:54 AM   #94
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You are comparing a 64 bit benchmark to a 32 bit benchmark. I have the exact same machine as you and it comes in at 11495 with the 32bit , which is consistent with the published geek bench reports. I am assuming that geekbench published 32 bit results. So, before you conclude that your machine is faster than the new iMacs, you had better make sure that you are using the same benchmark.

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My 2011 Sandy Bridge 27" beats all of those:

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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:55 AM   #95
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My 2009 27in quad i7 still has a score that compares to these overall (8500) give or take....guess im stickin with my current setup
I have the same computer, but I'm not going to kid myself that a top-of-the-line 27" 2012 i7 is not much faster. Heck, how you getting on with the ATI 4850? I know I hate mine!
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:55 AM   #96
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And pair it with some hideous plastic Dell monitor and cheap Logitech keyboard? Yuck, no thanks.
This lol just sprayed several drops of coffee on my new loaded macbook air screen and keys.
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 11:56 AM   #97
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Just get an external drive and shut up. You can stick it next to your external floppy (I'm assuming you are collecting antique hardware). Personally I didn't use optical media for like 5 years.

And how people can complain that it's thin? ****, it's gotten to the point where it seems people think it's cool to hate on Apple for no logical reason whatsoever. Apple will remove stuff nobody uses and make their products thin/compact/good looking. It's their trademark! Maybe you need to go back to a huge beige PC tower to remember why you went with Apple the first place.
Apparently polite discussion is beyond you. Don't worry, you'll grow into it. Maybe . . .

When you work in an area that requires both wired ethernet and burning discs to transfer data, the loss of the optical drive and the price increase, combined with a performance increase that will be invisible to the overwhelming majority of buyers, the new iMac is a step backwards.

I, personally, don't care how thin it is. But when form takes precedence over function, as is the case here (and with the rMBP, the MBA, and the Mac Mini), I question the long term viability of the proponent. If you can't see the tradeoff, and recognize the potential danger, then you should go back to whatever online class you're taking and get a refund.

Finally, I'd bet I've been using Macs longer than you've been alive. Just sayin' . . .
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 12:00 PM   #98
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look at this benchmark, Mac Mini with 4GB score 12677, with 16GB score 13028!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz7HKmQX4mo
Apple Mac Mini Late 2012 Core i7 2.6GHz 16GB RAM Upgrade & Benchmarks
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 12:01 PM   #99
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Apparently polite discussion is beyond you. Don't worry, you'll grow into it. Maybe . . .

When you work in an area that requires both wired ethernet and burning discs to transfer data, the loss of the optical drive and the price increase, combined with a performance increase that will be invisible to the overwhelming majority of buyers, the new iMac is a step backwards.

I, personally, don't care how thin it is. But when form takes precedence over function, as is the case here (and with the rMBP, the MBA, and the Mac Mini), I question the long term viability of the proponent. If you can't see the tradeoff, and recognize the potential danger, then you should go back to whatever online class you're taking and get a refund.

Finally, I'd bet I've been using Macs longer than you've been alive. Just sayin' . . .
Make your own computer. I made my own gaming computer and it comes out cheap. I store it in my closet when not in use so only apple products are in view when someone walks into my room (serious)
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Old Nov 30, 2012, 12:02 PM   #100
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Am I the only one who thinks this is great? Probably because it is my first iMac, and my MacBook Pro scores about 4-5000...
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