SuperDuper and Time Machine on same HDD?

[2012Tony2012]

I have an 500GB External hard drive that I want to use for my Imac to make complete SuperDuper backup images onto and then also to use to make Time Machine backups.

Can someone please tell me my exact steps needed to make that happen?

Do I need to format the 500GB External hard drive into 2 partitions? And if so, how do I format the 500GB External hard drive? What file system for both partitions and what application do I use to create 2 partitions and to format the 500GB External hard drive?

Please if someone could give me a step by step guide I would really appreciate it and be very grateful

[old-wiz]

split the HDD into two partitions, use one for superduper and one for time machine. use osx extended journaled. they won't coexist on one partition.

[2012Tony2012]

Originally Posted by old-wiz

split the HDD into two partitions, use one for superduper and one for time machine. use osx extended journaled. they won't coexist on one partition.

How do I make 2 partitions? In iMac?

And I read that Journaling is best suited for servers requiring high availability, servers containing volumes with many files, and servers containing data that is backed up at infrequent intervals... That's what Apple Website says.

So seeing journaled can slow down system performance, why use it? Especially seeing I am not running an intense server and seeing I rarely get power cut off and even if I did, it wouldn't matter.

[ECUpirate44]

Use disk utility.

[2012Tony2012]

Originally Posted by ECUpirate44

Use disk utility.

So use iMac disk utility to create 2 partitions? Then tell SuperDuper to use one and tell TM to use the other?

And is it possible to tell TM to only backup once per day instead of every hour?

[ECUpirate44]

Originally Posted by 2012Tony2012

So use iMac disk utility to create 2 partitions? Then tell SuperDuper to use one and tell TM to use the other?

And is it possible to tell TM to only backup once per day instead of every hour?

Yep. And no, but just plug in the drive when you want to back up and unplug it when you're done.

[rnb2]

Originally Posted by 2012Tony2012

I have an 500GB External hard drive that I want to use for my Imac to make complete SuperDuper backup images onto and then also to use to make Time Machine backups.

Can someone please tell me my exact steps needed to make that happen?

Do I need to format the 500GB External hard drive into 2 partitions? And if so, how do I format the 500GB External hard drive? What file system for both partitions and what application do I use to create 2 partitions and to format the 500GB External hard drive?

Please if someone could give me a step by step guide I would really appreciate it and be very grateful

You don't have to do anything special - SuperDuper! is smart enough to recognize a Time Machine folder and leave it alone. Just plug the drive in and let Time Machine run at least once to create the backup folder, then run SuperDuper! as normal. Make sure (as always) that you are running the latest version of SuperDuper, of course, but this capability has been there since shortly after Time Machine arrived.

[hfg]

If you elect to put both on the same partition, be aware that TimeMachine will continually grow in size to eventually consume all available disk space. This may not be an issue with your setup and time frame, but you should realize that you may encounter a full disk at some point and SuperDuper will be unable to accommodate additional files.

[2012Tony2012]

Originally Posted by ECUpirate44

Yep. And no, but just plug in the drive when you want to back up and unplug it when you're done.

I found this app, it seems to be able to alter when TM does backups?

http://timesoftware.free.fr/timemachineeditor/

Anyone used it?

[ECUpirate44]

Originally Posted by 2012Tony2012

I found this app, it seems to be able to alter when TM does backups?

http://timesoftware.free.fr/timemachineeditor/

Anyone used it?

No, but it seems to be a simple utility. Give it a go.

[2012Tony2012]

I've created a Time Machine backup on my external USB HDD, and now I want to do a SuperDuper backup.

But if I keep using the same HDD for Time Machine backups, won't the Time Machine backups eventually start deleting the SuperDuper backup?

[old-wiz]

Originally Posted by 2012Tony2012

I've created a Time Machine backup on my external USB HDD, and now I want to do a SuperDuper backup.

But if I keep using the same HDD for Time Machine backups, won't the Time Machine backups eventually start deleting the SuperDuper backup?

Time machine will eventually start overwriting the time machine backups, not superduper backups. However once Time machine fills the free space your next attempt to run superduper may fail if it needs more space.

To be truly safe, I keep them on separate physical drives; then if the physical drive fails you have only lost one or the other, not both.

[2012Tony2012]

I ended up deciding to create 2 partitions, one called Time Machine and the other SuperDuperBackup.

When I get more money I will buy a second USB HDD to use TM and SD on separate hard drives. But in the meantime I need to use them both on the same hard drive with 2 separate partitions.

[GGJstudios]

Originally Posted by 2012Tony2012

I ended up deciding to create 2 partitions, one called Time Machine and the other SuperDuperBackup.

When I get more money I will buy a second USB HDD to use TM and SD on separate hard drives. But in the meantime I need to use them both on the same hard drive with 2 separate partitions.

I recommend Carbon Copy Cloner for creating bootable backups, as it also clones the OS X recovery partition, which SuperDuper! doesn't do.

[slffl]

I'm not sure how SuperDuper works, but Time Machine just creates a folder. You don't need to dedicate a partition to it. If SuperDuper works similar, then you just need one partition and both apps can use it.

[talmy]

Originally Posted by slffl

If SuperDuper works similar, then you just need one partition and both apps can use it.

It isn't similar. It makes a clone (functional duplicate) of the source drive, so as soon as you run it the Time Machine backup will be deleted.

[2012Tony2012]

Originally Posted by GGJstudios

I recommend Carbon Copy Cloner for creating bootable backups, as it also clones the OS X recovery partition, which SuperDuper! doesn't do.

I am using Snow Leopard and SL doesn't create a OS X recovery partition, so I don't need to backup a OS X recovery partition as I don't have one. AFAIK, the OS X recovery partition only began with Lion? So SuperDuper will be OK?

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Originally Posted by talmy

It isn't similar. It makes a clone (functional duplicate) of the source drive, so as soon as you run it the Time Machine backup will be deleted.

Hi there One Eye

So you think what I did in creating TM for it's own partition and SD with it's own partition was a good idea?

[GGJstudios]

Originally Posted by 2012Tony2012

I am using Snow Leopard and SL doesn't create a OS X recovery partition.

Since you didn't specify your version, it seemed appropriate to mention it.

[2012Tony2012]

Originally Posted by GGJstudios

Since you didn't specify your version, it seemed appropriate to mention it.

Agreed. And as soon as I move up to Lion or Mountain Lion, I will start using CCC to backup rescue partition as well.

BY the way, why is it important to backup the rescue partition? It isn't touched or modified is it and should always be there as is? And if I do a clean install it's created again anyway, isn't it?

[GGJstudios]

Originally Posted by 2012Tony2012

Agreed. And as soon as I move up to Lion or Mountain Lion, I will start using CCC to backup rescue partition as well.

BY the way, why is it important to backup the rescue partition? It isn't touched or modified is it and should always be there as is? And if I do a clean install it's created again anyway, isn't it?

It would come in handy if your internal drive failed completely. You wouldn't have to re-create it or reinstall anything; just boot from your CCC backup. There are a few other slight advantages to CCC, which is why I prefer it, but SD works fine.

[2012Tony2012]

Originally Posted by GGJstudios

It would come in handy if your internal drive failed completely. You wouldn't have to re-create it or reinstall anything; just boot from your CCC backup. There are a few other slight advantages to CCC, which is why I prefer it, but SD works fine.

Good point. Thank you.

Do you mind if I asked what other few slight advantages to CCC are there that I may not be aware of? And are you talking about the Free SD and Free CCC, because I can't buy any of them at this stage so need to use the free version.

[GGJstudios]

Originally Posted by 2012Tony2012

Good point. Thank you.

Do you mind if I asked what other few slight advantages to CCC are there that I may not be aware of? And are you talking about the Free SD and Free CCC, because I can't buy any of them at this stage so need to use the free version.

You can use 3.5.1 ($40) or 3.4.7 (free, and works well on OS X 10.6, 10.7 and 10.8).

The features work the same in both versions. CCC also does incremental backups, which the free version of SD doesn't do.

[2012Tony2012]

Originally Posted by GGJstudios

You can use 3.5.1 ($40) or 3.4.7 (free, and works well on OS X 10.6, 10.7 and 10.8).

The features work the same in both versions. CCC also does incremental backups, which the free version of SD doesn't do.

I thought only the PAID version of CCC does incremental backups?

[GGJstudios]

Originally Posted by 2012Tony2012

I thought only the PAID version of CCC does incremental backups?

No, the free version does, as well. All the features of the paid version are also in the free version. Until recently, the free (donationware) version was the only version.

Carbon Copy Cloner now a paid app (V 3.5.0)

[2012Tony2012]

Originally Posted by GGJstudios

No, the free version does, as well. All the features of the paid version are also in the free version. Until recently, the free (donationware) version was the only version.

Carbon Copy Cloner now a paid app (V 3.5.0)

Awesome thanks!!!

Now all I have to figure out is how to uninstall SuperDuper completely lol. How do I uninstall apps on iMac and remove all associated files?