What is the state of USB 3.0 on Mac Pro?

[texem]

Originally Posted by revelstudios

**Clarifying: You don't state which HighPoint card you're now having problems with....

Hi,

well I am talking about RocketU 1144AM. There is still no new driver.
I opened a support ticket with HP but got only one answer: no driver for ML available.

Then I bought the Fresco FL 1009 chipset based adapter, removed all third party kexts having fully working USB3 solution without any driver (kext) . You can connect iPhone/iPad and a hub to that port as well.

Wondering you can see 5 GB/s USB 3.0 High Speed Bus in your system report ...



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Originally Posted by ActionableMango

I picked up a different card with the exact same chipset as the Orico mentioned above. I figure/hope if the built-in drivers in 10.8 work with the Orico, they'll work with any card using the same chipset.

I'm going to try it out later this week and will report back on what happens.

Should work with 10.8.2.
The Orico adapter here is built with FL 1009 chip

Take care with the a 4 port FL 1100 based adpater. You need connect power to the Molex connector then. The two port version doesn't need any extra power.

[revelstudios]

Originally Posted by texem

Wondering you can see 5 GB/s USB 3.0 High Speed Bus in your system report.

Unfortunately RED Rocket cards throw the "error while gathering PCI card information" when trying to read in the profiler, but we get a sustained transfer of around 1.5 GB per 10/sec with our external LaCie 3 TB Porsche drives. Faster when we use USB 3 drive docks with bare SSD's.

[CIA]

Originally Posted by revelstudios

Our entire workflow switched over to USB 3.0 external drives, docks, and raid arrays. We went through a series of cards before landing on one that actually worked every bit as advertised -- this one:

http://www.amazon.com/HighPoint-Rock...ighpoint+usb+3

All of the other cards we tried had crash bugs and suffered problems like not being able to hot swap a USB 3 connection or remount an ejected drive [without reboot]. Very aggravating trial and error process.

We have that card in our MacPro here at work. It was fine under Lion, but when we upgraded to ML it stopped working. HP basically said no driver and gave us a "workaround" that was a total hack. Waste of $130.

[ActionableMango]

I'm going to install my card tonight. Will report if it works or not, and if it works, what speed is achieved.

What is the preferred tool for testing disk transfer rates?

[texem]

f.i. " Blackmagic Disk Speed Test "

Freeware , get it from AppStore

[ActionableMango]

Well my test was a complete fail:

Because a USB device was drawing too much power from your computer, one or more of your USB devices have been disabled.

To prevent damaging your computer, the USB device drawing too much power has been disabled. Other devices may have also been disabled. When you disconnect the device drawing too much power, your other USB devices will be enabled again.

Despite having the 2-port model, it appears to really need the power hookup. Unfortunately the provided SATA-to-MOLEX adapter doesn't fit the SATA connections in the Mac Pro. Even if it did, I don't have any to spare.

Just for reference, I have a bone stock 5,1 Mac Pro base model with nothing added but memory and drives. This is the card I tried:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00570PQAC

On the plus side, 10.8.2 recognized it as a USB controller with no third party driver installation.

Does anyone know of a Y-splitter for SATA power that will fit the Mac Pro optical bay connector? And I think I'll also need a SATA extension cable, since the connector in there is combined data/power. If there is no remedy there, I'll have to send the card back to Amazon.

[texem]

Just for a test : if you own a USB HDD with external powersupply (instead of USB powered like many 2,5" drives) then possibly it's getting recognized.

Bad adapter design anyway, the Orico I noted some posts earlier gets power from the PCI-E Slot.

Try to install your adapter in a different PCI-E Slot (here it's in #4) .

If you really need power for the adapter, then get it from the SuperDrive.
There is a second spare SATA cable if nothing else is installed.

You should look for longer SATA male / Molex female cable or use a Molex f / Molex m extension cable together with your adapter.

Good luck.

[ActionableMango]

Originally Posted by texem

Just for a test : if you own a USB HDD with external powersupply (instead of USB powered like many 2,5" drives) then possibly it's getting recognized.

My drives are self-powered from AC/DC adapters, but that is irrelevant because there were no USB devices plugged in at all.

Originally Posted by texem

Bad adapter design anyway, the Orico I noted some posts earlier gets power from the PCI-E Slot.

That's the one I wanted, but as stated earlier, I cannot find it for sale anywhere in the USA, or anywhere that will ship to the USA. Do you have a link?

Originally Posted by texem

If you really need power for the adapter, then get it from the SuperDrive.
There is a second spare SATA cable if nothing else is installed.

The SATA-to-Molex cable that came with the card doesn't fit the integrated power/data cable that the mac pro uses for the optical drives and the hard drives.

I use both of the connecters in the optical bay anyway, so I'm going to have to break out the combo SATA plug into individual data/power plugs, then put a Y-adapter on the power plug. Not looking forward to this, but it's what has to be done unless I can find that Orico card somewhere.

[texem]

As far as I know it's listed at Newegg ?!

I ordered from Amazon.de, but that's here in Europe.

[All Taken]

Originally Posted by texem

Just for a test : if you own a USB HDD with external powersupply (instead of USB powered like many 2,5" drives) then possibly it's getting recognized.

Bad adapter design anyway, the Orico I noted some posts earlier gets power from the PCI-E Slot.

Try to install your adapter in a different PCI-E Slot (here it's in #4) .

If you really need power for the adapter, then get it from the SuperDrive.
There is a second spare SATA cable if nothing else is installed.

You should look for longer SATA male / Molex female cable or use a Molex f / Molex m extension cable together with your adapter.

Good luck.

If the card you posted draws power from the PCIe slot why the molex plug in? Assuming you're right, how do you know this? and would the next model up draw power from the lot too? ORICO PFU3-2O2I

[pyzon]

Originally Posted by ActionableMango

Well my test was a complete fail:

Does anyone know of a Y-splitter for SATA power that will fit the Mac Pro optical bay connector? And I think I'll also need a SATA extension cable, since the connector in there is combined data/power. If there is no remedy there, I'll have to send the card back to Amazon.

I got this:
https://www.cablesondemand.com/categ...TA)_CABLES.htm
CS-SATDRIVEX2-000.5

and

this:
http://www.cooldrives.com/sapoyca15sap.html although not from that company.

I needed the first part because I tried to fit a Sata Data cable beside the power splitter and it would not fit (i was basing this off a drive sata connector as I don't have my Mac Pro yet)

[texem]

USB3.0 supports rd abt 900mA each port.

My external USB 3 WD HDD takes 450mA, seems to be ok w/o Molex for this model. Unfortunately no idea about the other Orico adapters.

The thread is about kext free USB 3.0 solution and the Fresco chipset currently seems to be the only natively supported (by ML 10.8.2 -> )

Y-cables and SATA Molex adapter is the other thing.

[ActionableMango]

Originally Posted by texem

As far as I know it's listed at Newegg ?!

I ordered from Amazon.de, but that's here in Europe.

I tried both Amazon.co.uk and Amazon.de. Both will normally ship to the USA, but this particular item is sold by a third party vendor that will not ship to the USA and is only using Amazon as a storefront.

The Newegg listing does not show up in most searches. I finally found the listing and it shows out of stock. Same deal on Amazon.com. Nobody else in the USA appears to be in stock, so I suspect it may be discontinued for newer available models using other brand chipsets.

Now if only there was a friendly MacRumors user in the UK named "All Taken" that would offer to ship it to the US for me, after I pay for the item and his time of course...

[VirtualRain]

Originally Posted by ActionableMango

I am waiting for a solution that doesn't require third party drivers.

Would it not have been easier to just use any of the various cheap NEC based cards and a 3rd party driver (I linked to earlier) rather than trying to fuss around with cables to power the card?

[Jake0604]

Has anyone tried this card? Seems like a good price.

http://www.amazon.com/ORICO-PEJU3-4P...sb+3.0+mac+pci

[ActionableMango]

Originally Posted by VirtualRain

Would it not have been easier to just use any of the various cheap NEC based cards and a 3rd party driver (I linked to earlier) rather than trying to fuss around with cables to power the card?

Hi VirtualRain,

Everyone has different preferences. I won't knock other people's choices (to each, his/her own), and I do appreciate your point of view. To answer your question, this is why I'm sticking with the card:

1) One of the other third-party-driver cards mentioned in this thread and another thread (one of the HighPoints) works in Lion, but not ML. Then you've got RevelStudios' mention of crash bugs and hotswap issues on some cards. While the NEC doesn't have those problems, yet, who knows when an update will break the driver hack? Even the Fresco chipset cards which use native drivers are reported to not work when the hacked driver is also installed. That is exactly the sort of nonsense I want to avoid.

2) In any case, I might as well hook up power. Even if I had the Orico or an NEC card that reportedly works without the power connection, who is to say I'd never plug something in that needed it? Maybe I plug in a bus-powered 2.5" external drive and OS X decides to shut down the USB card, will there be data integrity on the drive plugged in the other port? What if the other drive was in use at the moment OS X shuts down the card? Basically, I might as well do this right if I am to do it at all.

I guess I'm placing a higher value on native drivers than others would. I like that others are pushing the boundaries, and it is really interesting, but that is not for me. To me, native drivers and proper power seems like the safe way to go.

It's just like the video card thing. Even though I'm totally fascinated by all the great PC card options, the Netkas forums, flashing, Nvidia's recent driver support, etc., I'm still using an Apple 5770 and will probably just buy the next Apple card when it comes out.

[pyzon]

Originally Posted by Jake0604

Has anyone tried this card? Seems like a good price.

http://www.amazon.com/ORICO-PEJU3-4P...sb+3.0+mac+pci

Have one on order, but won't be able to test until next week.

....so the optical bay 2nd SATA connection has an extension to split the power and data to separate cables, the power is then split with y splitter providing 3 connections, and one will have a SATA-Molex (F) adapter connected to a 36" Molex sleeved cable back to the card!!

...will it work...unknown...

[Jake0604]

This card i posted earlier http://www.amazon.com/ORICO-PEJU3-4P...sb+3.0+mac+pci

Would I be able to use the second 6pin power connector on the mac pro plus a 6pin to molex adapter(like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/270742219871...=p5197.c0.m619) to power it?

[ActionableMango]

Originally Posted by Jake0604

This card i posted earlier http://www.amazon.com/ORICO-PEJU3-4P...sb+3.0+mac+pci

Would I be able to use the second 6pin power connector on the mac pro plus a 6pin to molex adapter(like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/270742219871...=p5197.c0.m619) to power it?

That doesn't seem right to me. The 6-pin PCIe is 12v. Molex is both 12v and 5v.

I suppose this would work if you knew for sure the USB card only needed the 12v line instead of both, but since USB is 5v, it is extremely likely that the card would need the 5v line.

[All Taken]

Why don't you use a SATA connection in bay 4 and split the power to the card, much shorter distance.

[ActionableMango]

Originally Posted by All Taken

Why don't you use a SATA connection in bay 4 and split the power to the card, much shorter distance.

I tried that. The short term reason why it doesn't work is the individual SATA power cable won't plug into a combo power/data SATA connector like on the backplane. I could snap the key off the cable and make it work, but the long term reason I don't want to is that I have all four bays full.

I'm just going to get the cables Pyzon linked to and give that a try. I might need a molex extension cable to go the whole distance, but I'm sure I have some of those somewhere from my PC days.

[ActionableMango]

Originally Posted by Jake0604

This card i posted earlier http://www.amazon.com/ORICO-PEJU3-4P...sb+3.0+mac+pci

Would I be able to use the second 6pin power connector on the mac pro plus a 6pin to molex adapter(like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/270742219871...=p5197.c0.m619) to power it?

Ordered cables, thanks for the links!

[Jake0604]

Originally Posted by ActionableMango

Ordered cables, thanks for the links!

I thought you said the cables wouldn't work

[ActionableMango]

Originally Posted by Jake0604

I thought you said the cables wouldn't work

Sorry I quoted the wrong message. These are the ones that I ordered and should work:

Originally Posted by pyzon

I got this:
https://www.cablesondemand.com/categ...TA)_CABLES.htm
CS-SATDRIVEX2-000.5

and

this:
http://www.cooldrives.com/sapoyca15sap.html although not from that company.

I needed the first part because I tried to fit a Sata Data cable beside the power splitter and it would not fit (i was basing this off a drive sata connector as I don't have my Mac Pro yet)

[pyzon]

Originally Posted by pyzon

Have one on order, but won't be able to test until next week.

....so the optical bay 2nd SATA connection has an extension to split the power and data to separate cables, the power is then split with y splitter providing 3 connections, and one will have a SATA-Molex (F) adapter connected to a 36" Molex sleeved cable back to the card!!

...will it work...unknown...

received the card today, can't test until next week, but this morning after the card arrived received a call from Orico, asking if I had any questions about the product etc...Etron chipset...hope I'm not someones guinea-pig ah well at least if it doesn't work it'll go back to Amazon! Good to hear they are following up on their products though!