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Old Dec 6, 2012, 01:17 PM   #76
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Cannot wait to see what Ive is going to do with OS X. Hopefully it will once again be called Mac OS X.
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Old Dec 6, 2012, 02:03 PM   #77
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Should have sacked Craig Federighi too, or possibly instead of Scott (who I have it on good authority was emailing his team on what a not so good job Cook was doing...probably something he shouldn't have been doing...), because os x since snow leopard (a stellar flawless os (within its limitations of course) has been nothing but a **** up, updates crashing macs, updates recalled full of bugs, the worst +.1 release in lion, horrible UI choices, bugs, you name it... at least the retina ipad can scroll a webpage, something a $2000-$4000 notebook with much better gfx can't really do on os x.

To be fair to Forestahl ios has only had pretty much one major screw up in maps, of course that was an enormous screw up...when you let out software with the statue of liberty overshadowed by clouds in the maps view that means you 've not even checked that 5-10 landmarks around the world look ok... But other than that, and despite the fact it hasn't received a much needed ui refresh, ios has been as solid as they come.
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Old Dec 6, 2012, 02:18 PM   #78
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Cook is careful to note, however, that this increased collaboration is not working toward a merger of iOS and OS X as some have speculated.

We don’t subscribe to the vision that the OS for iPhones and iPads should be the same as Mac. As you know, iOS and Mac OS are built on the same base. And Craig has always managed the common elements. And so this is a logical extension. Customers want iOS and Mac OS X to work together seamlessly, not to be the same, but to work together seamlessly.
Good points Tim... but wait a second, then why the hell do ical (calendar) and contacts look like something made for a 9.something touch screen on os x? Is your vision of "working seamlessly" to slap ui design (and ui design that's at the very least of dubious aesthetic and functional quality - no one's really raving about calendar and contacts great design on ios either...) not suited for a non touchscreen, with different screen sizes, functionality and design conventions on macs and os x???? Anyway, you may lack this vision but the supply chain is surely working flawlessly at delivering devices to the market...oops, imac delays, mac pro "updates" (aka not shipping updated yet..), scuffgates etc...

Most of the ui talent for os x has reportedly walked out, maybe you should start thinking of HIRING some people to work on the ui of os x.

/sorry about consecutive post guys, I though it would merge them automatically.
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Old Dec 6, 2012, 02:22 PM   #79
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Old Dec 6, 2012, 02:35 PM   #80
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Good points Tim... but wait a second, then why the hell do ical (calendar) and contacts look like something made for a 9.something touch screen on os x? Is your vision of "working seamlessly" to slap ui design (and ui design that's at the very least of dubious aesthetic and functional quality - no one's really raving about calendar and contacts great design on ios either...) not suited for a non touchscreen, with different screen sizes, functionality and design conventions on macs and os x???? Anyway, you may lack this vision but the supply chain is surely working flawlessly at delivering devices to the market...oops, imac delays, mac pro "updates" (aka not shipping updated yet..), scuffgates etc...

Most of the ui talent for os x has reportedly walked out, maybe you should start thinking of HIRING some people to work on the ui of os x.

/sorry about consecutive post guys, I though it would merge them automatically.
Well they DID fire the guy in charge of the butt ugly calendar and put someone with taste who is already working there in charge.
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Old Dec 6, 2012, 02:40 PM   #81
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Good Move!!!

The complexity of HiTech products require a "TEAM" to bring ideas to practical fruition. That means people communicating from design thru manufacturing thru retail. The "no prima donnas will be tolerated" position is a very positive step for Apple. Kudos Tim!!!

But it IS ironic that the companies founder was the poster boy for "my way or the highway" dictatorial behavior. In fact this is why he was ousted from Apple back in the 80's.
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It would be simply fascinating to know the _real truth_ to this story.
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Old Dec 6, 2012, 03:42 PM   #83
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It would be simply fascinating to know the _real truth_ to this story.
I wouldn't say fascinating, but it would certainly be very interesting indeed. I guess we 'll have to wait a decade or two though.
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Old Dec 6, 2012, 04:26 PM   #84
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Ive looks none too happy.
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While Jonathan Ive has had a string of successful product designs, I'm less sanguine about him taking over the user interface. Anyone remember the hockey puck mouse? While a clever tack on making a mouse look different, from a human factors standpoint, I don't think it's too harsh to call it a failure... well one can only hope he learned from that. Keeping fingers crossed.
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Old Dec 6, 2012, 04:47 PM   #86
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(Reuters) - Apple Inc shares tumbled more than 6 percent on Wednesday, chalking up their biggest single-day loss in four years as fears grow about intensifying competition in the mobile device market.

Investors and analysts blamed the sell-off on a mix of factors, including a forecast by an influential research firm that the iPad maker is continuing to cede ground to rival Google Inc's Android gadgets, and unconfirmed reports that at least one major stock-clearing house was raising margin requirements on Apple stock trades.

Analysts also cited fears about a hike in the capital gains tax in 2013 in the event that ongoing Washington fiscal negotiations fail, as well as news that Nokia had beat Apple to the punch by striking a deal to sell its flagship Lumia through China Mobile, that country's largest wireless carrier.

Wednesday's drop rounded off a bleak 10 weeks for the most valuable U.S. company.

The stock was one of the day's biggest percentage losers on the S&P 500, shedding $35 billion of market value as more than 37 million shares changed hands -- blowing past the company's average daily volume over 50 days of 21 million.

Apple's shares, once among the most desirable of portfolio holdings, have headed steadily lower since September on growing uncertainty about the company's ability to fend off unprecedented competition. This year saw a surge in sales of Amazon.com Inc's cheaper Kindle Fire and Microsoft Corp's first foray into the tablet market with its Surface.

Meanwhile, Samsung Electronics continues to chip away at the iPad's dominance with its Galaxy line.

The assault on Apple's consumer-electronics home turf presents a stiff challenge for CEO Tim Cook, who was elevated shortly before the death of Silicon Valley legend Steve Jobs and is now charged with keeping the world's largest technology company humming.

"This is not going to be a short-term trend. This is a management test, of how well they can perform without Steve Jobs," said Brian Battle, director of trading at Performance Trust Capital Partners in Chicago. Referring to Apple's new iPad mini, which is only a smaller version of the existing iPad, Battle said the company needs "another home run" for shares to return to levels around $700.

"They need another new product that hits it out of the park. Without that, they could get a gradual grind-down in confidence," he said.

On Wednesday, research firm International Data Corp said Apple most likely shed market share in the tablet computer space in 2012. Its worldwide tablet market share will slip to 53.8 percent in 2012 from 56.3 percent in 2011, while Android products would increase their share to 42.7 percent from 39.8 percent, IDC said.

Concerns that tax rates on dividends and capital gains may rise next year were also cited as contributing to the Apple sell-off.

The stock's massive market value meant Apple was almost single-handedly responsible for Wednesday's 1.1 percent decline in the Nasdaq 100 Index.

Apple is still up 33 percent this year, but is down nearly 24 percent from its record high of $705.07, hit on September 21. The stock slid more than 6.4 percent on Wednesday to close at $538.7923.

BEFUDDLING SLIDE

Some analysts were perplexed at the fall from favor in Apple stock, which has been a staple in almost all growth portfolios. The company is expected to deliver reliably high revenue and earnings expansion for years to come, and one in two tablets sold globally remains an iPad.

It is now gearing up for the introduction of its latest iPhone 5 and iPad mini in international markets. It will begin selling the iPhone 5 in 50 countries in December, including China and South Korea.

"Apple stock is significantly more volatile than its earnings and innovation stream," said Daniel Ernst, analyst with Hudson Square Research. "And yet the wind blows slightly from the south instead of the east one particular morning, and the stock is down 6 percent."

"It makes no sense. There are lines around the block for their products all around the world," he added. "No other company has that."

Separately, Nokia said it will partner with China Mobile, in a sales deal that will give the Finnish company an opportunity to win back Chinese market share from Apple's iPhone.

But some analysts continue to believe the dominant carrier in the world's largest cellular market will eventually embrace the iPhone as well.

"China Mobile already carries multiple smartphones from multiple vendors. We continue to expect China Mobile to add the iPhone in the back half of 2013," Piper Jaffray's Gene Munster wrote in a research note.

While lines for the latest iPad model appeared lighter than usual when it hit stores in November, Apple said at the time that demand was so strong that it "practically sold out of iPad minis." It sold 3 million of the new iPads -- including the full-sized version -- in the first three days on the market.

Some analysts suggested that investors also sold shares of Apple amid uncertainty over ongoing fiscal negotiations in Washington. If no agreement is reached on the issue, higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains are possible in 2013.

Investors who had hoped for a special dividend this year, as many other corporations have announced on expectations of higher tax rates next year, may be disappointed as time is running out.

"If you were expecting a special dividend by year end, that's less likely to happen because its December 5," said Colin Gillis, an analyst with BGC Partners.

The fear of higher taxes on capital gains also has prompted some investors to lock in profits now, particularly on a stock like Apple, which has posted gains of at least 25 percent for four consecutive years.

"Depending on what happens with the (U.S. fiscal negotiations), rates could rise next year or they could stay the same," said Battle, of Performance Trust Capital. "They will not be lower, so if you're an investor who has seen gains in Apple, it is better to take those gains this year rather than next."

Tax selling "can take a life of its own," said Tim Ghriskey, chief investment officer of Solaris Group in Bedford Hills, New York.

"Some taxable investors take the gains, that creates some negative momentum, institutional investors are heavily weighted the stock and reduce exposure."

Some market participants also cited reports by media including CNBC, which Reuters could not confirm, that margin requirements on the trading of Apple stock had been raised by at least one clearing firm.

(Additional reporting by Charles Mikolajczak in New York and Doris Frankel in Chicago; Editing by Bernadette Baum, Andrew Hay, Leslie Adler and Ken Wills)

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Old Dec 6, 2012, 04:51 PM   #87
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Ive looks none too happy.
He's never been known as "Mr. Smiley". He's a very serious guy.
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(Reuters) - Apple Inc shares tumbled more than 6 percent on Wednesday, chalking up their biggest single-day loss in four years as fears grow about intensifying competition in the mobile device market.

Investors and analysts blamed the sell-off on a mix of factors, including a forecast by an influential research firm that the iPad maker is continuing to cede ground to rival Google Inc's Android gadgets, and unconfirmed reports that at least one major stock-clearing house was raising margin requirements on Apple stock trades.

Analysts also cited fears about a hike in the capital gains tax in 2013 in the event that ongoing Washington fiscal negotiations fail, as well as news that Nokia had beat Apple to the punch by striking a deal to sell its flagship Lumia through China Mobile, that country's largest wireless carrier.

Wednesday's drop rounded off a bleak 10 weeks for the most valuable U.S. company.

The stock was one of the day's biggest percentage losers on the S&P 500, shedding $35 billion of market value as more than 37 million shares changed hands -- blowing past the company's average daily volume over 50 days of 21 million.

Apple's shares, once among the most desirable of portfolio holdings, have headed steadily lower since September on growing uncertainty about the company's ability to fend off unprecedented competition. This year saw a surge in sales of Amazon.com Inc's cheaper Kindle Fire and Microsoft Corp's first foray into the tablet market with its Surface.

Meanwhile, Samsung Electronics continues to chip away at the iPad's dominance with its Galaxy line.

The assault on Apple's consumer-electronics home turf presents a stiff challenge for CEO Tim Cook, who was elevated shortly before the death of Silicon Valley legend Steve Jobs and is now charged with keeping the world's largest technology company humming.

"This is not going to be a short-term trend. This is a management test, of how well they can perform without Steve Jobs," said Brian Battle, director of trading at Performance Trust Capital Partners in Chicago. Referring to Apple's new iPad mini, which is only a smaller version of the existing iPad, Battle said the company needs "another home run" for shares to return to levels around $700.

"They need another new product that hits it out of the park. Without that, they could get a gradual grind-down in confidence," he said.

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Concerns that tax rates on dividends and capital gains may rise next year were also cited as contributing to the Apple sell-off.

The stock's massive market value meant Apple was almost single-handedly responsible for Wednesday's 1.1 percent decline in the Nasdaq 100 Index.

Apple is still up 33 percent this year, but is down nearly 24 percent from its record high of $705.07, hit on September 21. The stock slid more than 6.4 percent on Wednesday to close at $538.7923.

BEFUDDLING SLIDE

Some analysts were perplexed at the fall from favor in Apple stock, which has been a staple in almost all growth portfolios. The company is expected to deliver reliably high revenue and earnings expansion for years to come, and one in two tablets sold globally remains an iPad.

It is now gearing up for the introduction of its latest iPhone 5 and iPad mini in international markets. It will begin selling the iPhone 5 in 50 countries in December, including China and South Korea.

"Apple stock is significantly more volatile than its earnings and innovation stream," said Daniel Ernst, analyst with Hudson Square Research. "And yet the wind blows slightly from the south instead of the east one particular morning, and the stock is down 6 percent."

"It makes no sense. There are lines around the block for their products all around the world," he added. "No other company has that."

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But some analysts continue to believe the dominant carrier in the world's largest cellular market will eventually embrace the iPhone as well.

"China Mobile already carries multiple smartphones from multiple vendors. We continue to expect China Mobile to add the iPhone in the back half of 2013," Piper Jaffray's Gene Munster wrote in a research note.

While lines for the latest iPad model appeared lighter than usual when it hit stores in November, Apple said at the time that demand was so strong that it "practically sold out of iPad minis." It sold 3 million of the new iPads -- including the full-sized version -- in the first three days on the market.

Some analysts suggested that investors also sold shares of Apple amid uncertainty over ongoing fiscal negotiations in Washington. If no agreement is reached on the issue, higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains are possible in 2013.

Investors who had hoped for a special dividend this year, as many other corporations have announced on expectations of higher tax rates next year, may be disappointed as time is running out.

"If you were expecting a special dividend by year end, that's less likely to happen because its December 5," said Colin Gillis, an analyst with BGC Partners.

The fear of higher taxes on capital gains also has prompted some investors to lock in profits now, particularly on a stock like Apple, which has posted gains of at least 25 percent for four consecutive years.

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Yeah, so? What's your point? Another typical day of positive and negative B/S?
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Yeah, so? What's your point? Another typical day of positive and negative B/S?
So what was your point in quoting back the entire thing?
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Looks like Bob Mansfield is the odd one out now.

Has he not discovered Apple's gym?
It's hard to be slim through exercise. He looks like a meat and potatoes kind of guy. mmmm...steak.

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Right now the ipad compliments your laptop and PC. I want it to replace it some day.
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Are compliments a new Siri feature? "My, your laptop is fine. Such lustrous skin, slim and sleek! And that desktop of yours, such power! So handsome!"
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So what was your point in quoting back the entire thing?
You didn't re-read the whole thing did you? It's not required reading.
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I just wish Apple would hit $999, that way I can sell my 30 shares that I bought at $85
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Ain't going to happen. The pundits who predicted this took a lot of people along for the proverbial ride. At least you bought in cheap...
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We don't subscribe to the vision that the OS for iPhones and iPads should be the same as Mac. As you know, iOS and Mac OS are built on the same base. And Craig has always managed the common elements. And so this is a logical extension. Customers want iOS and Mac OS X to work together seamlessly, not to be the same, but to work together seamlessly.
Finally. Something I can quote next time someone loudly proclaims the imminent merging of OS X and iOS! This is a great moment, right up there with the moment the iPhone 5 was called the iPhone 5 and all the iPhone 6 people went very, very quiet.

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I don't agree with this. iOS so far is only good for COMICS, games, movies, music and web. I want mobile productivity. Unfortunately I'm going to have to go back to windows for that. MS is not there yet but when they are I'll be switching back.
Right. Get back to us when that happens, or when hell freezes over… whichever happens first.
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"So how do we keep doing that and keep taking it to an even higher level? You have to be an A-plus at collaboration. And so the changes that we made get us to a whole new level of collaboration."
— Tim Cook via Macrumors


One good way, refer to your customers as exactly that—and not "consumers."
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"So how do we keep doing that and keep taking it to an even higher level? You have to be an A-plus at collaboration. And so the changes that we made get us to a whole new level of collaboration."
— Tim Cook via Macrumors


One good way, refer to your customers as exactly that—and not "consumers."
lol, even after the excessive bug reporting and feedback for os x, imaps has brought user/multibillion dollar company "collaboration" to quite another level. I have to admit that I occasionally intentionally send them wrong feedback after my frustration with imaps reaches high vindictiveness levels just to **** with them a bit. In a way I guess I am helping them to stay on their toes, and since I am paying them to beta (alpha actually) test their software (instead of them paying me) one false alarm out of 10 proper feedbacks in imaps is warranted.
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what is it elementary school now? resorting to making fun of someones weight?
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Looks like Bob Mansfield is the odd one out now.
Has he not discovered Apple's gym?
Hey, at least he's a happy guy, leave him alone! On a serious note, with his vast experience, his departure would mean a significant loss to APPLE.

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I wouldn't say fascinating, but it would certainly be very interesting indeed. I guess we 'll have to wait a decade or two though.
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Then you probably just use your iOS devices for surfing, games and media.
Some of us want to move forward instead of settling for status guo.

I'm not against moving forward, I just believe in having different devices for different purposes. If OS X became a touch screen OS it would be lose a lot of functionality.
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