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Old Dec 8, 2012, 03:24 PM   #151
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Every bussines that bring jobs in USA. Even one job is better than nothing. . ッ
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 03:25 PM   #152
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It never ceases to amaze me how many jackasses there on these forums.
Yah, and I wonder how many are on social assistance? I run my own business, but because I'm no good at running a business, I'm broke week after week after week, with an empty bank account. It's stressful, but at least I don't sit around collecting a "paycheque" every month. Is this an inappropriate comment? Probably, but the number of complainers on here about the "only 200 jobs?" is astounding.

200 jobs may not be much, but jobs create other jobs, which create other jobs and so on. So kudos to Apple for paying attention to what customers want to see and doing *something* about it. Baby steps.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 03:28 PM   #153
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This was an answer to REFURB, which I can guarantee is cheaper the way they are doing it now and there are not enough REFURBS to set up major production for of it.

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See my answer about REFURB.

You took that sentence out of the context of the answer.
I was using your post as more of a springboard for the point I was trying to make, sorry if I made it look like I was responding directly to you.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 03:30 PM   #154
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200 more than Obama has created!!
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 03:56 PM   #155
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Not to be outdone, Microsoft will do the same thing. Someone had to get the ball rolling but how much will Apple hardware prices increase?
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 04:04 PM   #156
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I don't understand this. Apple is a private company. One of their biggest obligation is to make $ for their shareholders. They are not a charity. The US job market and economy is the responsibility of the gov't and the US citizens.

If any of you have studied 1st year college economics, i vaguely recall there's something called comparative advantage. Maximizing the comparative advantage of countries maximizes global productivity. It's basically good for humanity in general. Protectionism is simply bad for global economics and global output. Let low wage crap job stay in countries that wanna do them for next to nothing. Bring up the US education system to be something more practical, (instead of all most graduates with a next to useless arts degree). A hands-on hard slaving manufacturing job just doesn't work in the US.

In the face for the greater good and the human progress, can we all just drop all notion of race and country borders? Instead of using shame and blame, let free market economy do it's work.

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Not to mention, at least Apple is a US company. For those Android fan boy criticizing Apple, where do most of the profit even end up for all those Galaxy S3 and Note 2? If it isn't for Apple, it was all Nokia, LG, Samsung, Sony and Ericsson, etc. Not a dime of mobile $ was even going to the US. From a selfish US perspective, Apple is the saviour, not the crook. Apple probably pays more US taxes than a lot of other US companies' entire market cap.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 04:13 PM   #157
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It's not much, but at least it's a start. Hopefully as time goes on we will see more progress on this.
Poor unemployed people in China disagree with you. Anyway, this is the very definition of "token".

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It never ceases to amaze me how many jackasses there on these forums.
I think the only way anyone could be a jackass here is to make negative, broad statements about other people on this forum.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 04:15 PM   #158
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Big Deal, NOT

Apple has more janitors than that in China.

This is nothing more than a cheap PR ploy by Apple.
GE did the same thing. Move 10,000 jobs to China, then "move" a few hundred low level screw turning jobs back and sell it to the press.

All more BS for the sheeple to eat at the trough.

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Every bussines that bring jobs in USA. Even one job is better than nothing. . ッ
So say the sheeple.
You have been sold a big lie and bought it hook, line, pole, and boat.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 04:16 PM   #159
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I'm hopeful it is a factory of Robots, like Steve Jobs originally wanted for the Mac and build for the NeXT.

Things have improved dramatically in the past 20 years. Imagine what $100M could do towards improving robotic assembly.

There will never be major manufacturing back in the USA. Steve Jobs was right-- those jobs are gone for good.

So long as we have people like Obama, and even George Bush (who failed to roll back any significant amount of regulation or socialism when he was in office) the USA will simply not be competitive.

Hell, Obama is running around talking about lots of "jobs" created *in government*. Every government job is detrimental to the economy because the money to pay that worker has to come out of the legitimate economy.

Figure, every $10,000 in salary and overhead for a government worker eliminates one job in the private economy.

But most americans are not taught economics in school, or even critical thinking, so they swallow the funny money economics of the political class hook line and sinker.

Just try getting one to admit that regulations and government forcing unions on people have destroyed the manufacturing sector-- but they're out of work so they still cry about jobs going overseas.

Never will occur to them that one causes the other!
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 04:27 PM   #160
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Apple will be creating 200 more jobs than virtually all the people posting on this and any other site that Apple is creating "only 200" jobs in the US.

They already have created a lot of jobs in the US before this began, this is 200 more jobs and that is not the end, there will be even more.

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Old Dec 8, 2012, 05:01 PM   #161
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200 jobs isn't really a lot, but Apple is setting a good example that other companies can follow. I remain hopeful for a positive ripple effect to bringing more and more manufacturing jobs to the US.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 05:20 PM   #162
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If Apple brings all the manufacturing back to the USA, the stocks will drop like hell, so they are doing it slowly. Next year 200, then 500, then in 2020 we may have almost everything homemade.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 05:31 PM   #163
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It never ceases to amaze me how many jackasses there on these forums.
You obviously haven't been a Mac user that long, then.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 05:58 PM   #164
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I see it as doing this on a small scale to see if its feasible to bring more manufacturing back to the U.S. Makes no sense doing it large scale if it does not work well enough.
Apple can easily calculate all costs beforehand. They can't calculate how the public will respond to US hiring.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 06:09 PM   #165
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Apple's purpose is not creating jobs. It's creating the best computers possible and selling them for the highest profit it can. More employees are not directly related to either of those two goals - they could result in higher quality, but they certainly result in higher costs as well.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 06:31 PM   #166
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I don't understand this. Apple is a private company. One of their biggest obligation is to make $ for their shareholders. They are not a charity. The US job market and economy is the responsibility of the gov't and the US citizens.

If any of you have studied 1st year college economics, i vaguely recall there's something called comparative advantage. Maximizing the comparative advantage of countries maximizes global productivity. It's basically good for humanity in general. Protectionism is simply bad for global economics and global output. Let low wage crap job stay in countries that wanna do them for next to nothing. Bring up the US education system to be something more practical, (instead of all most graduates with a next to useless arts degree). A hands-on hard slaving manufacturing job just doesn't work in the US.

In the face for the greater good and the human progress, can we all just drop all notion of race and country borders? Instead of using shame and blame, let free market economy do it's work.

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Not to mention, at least Apple is a US company. For those Android fan boy criticizing Apple, where do most of the profit even end up for all those Galaxy S3 and Note 2? If it isn't for Apple, it was all Nokia, LG, Samsung, Sony and Ericsson, etc. Not a dime of mobile $ was even going to the US. From a selfish US perspective, Apple is the saviour, not the crook. Apple probably pays more US taxes than a lot of other US companies' entire market cap.
And if you took that homemade kitchen economics talk just one step further you would realize, that it really makes more sense to have a small amount of highly highly qualified workers to hand-build your standard BTO-everything major desktop with very varying configurations.

I personally think there are very little "stock" MacPros sold, as nearly every pro machine sports a different layout of modifications. Remember, that's what the flagship model is for.

And this effectively leads to a point where a highly specialized configured MacPro can be assembled and delivered within 24hrs in the US. Not too shabby for the so called Pro-workstation that is your flagship model and not that standard RAM- and Drive-BTO consumer machine (which sells in the thousands in every thinkable configuration).

Actually OTOH I think you should really do some research on basic income. May help your human side of the brain to stay in touch with your logical side of the brain.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 06:43 PM   #167
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Better than no jobs.
No, in fact it's worse.
Cook say "we got to do this" and the "do this" is a whopping 200 jobs. He doesn't give a rats ass about us, thats not his job. HIS reason for being is not changing the world, and his shtick doesn't include even a hint of altruism. It's bottom line this, bottom line that. No decision he makes doesa damn bit of good except for him and the shareholders. Everyone goes home with a happy-touchy-feely feeling when it just delays the inevitable. And the inevitable I shudder to imagine.

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If Apple brings all the manufacturing back to the USA, the stocks will drop like hell, so they are doing it slowly. Next year 200, then 500, then in 2020 we may have almost everything homemade.
Pbbbt. As long as there are no penalties for using the buck-a-day laborers to make our ******, Nobody will bother. Change tariff law like Brazil did, then come and chat.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 07:00 PM   #168
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Pbbbt. As long as there are no penalties for using the buck-a-day laborers to make our ******, Nobody will bother. Change tariff law like Brazil did, then come and chat.
How much do you make per hour?
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 08:43 PM   #169
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I'm hopeful it is a factory of Robots, like Steve Jobs originally wanted for the Mac and build for the NeXT.

Things have improved dramatically in the past 20 years. Imagine what $100M could do towards improving robotic assembly.

There will never be major manufacturing back in the USA. Steve Jobs was right-- those jobs are gone for good.

So long as we have people like Obama, and even George Bush (who failed to roll back any significant amount of regulation or socialism when he was in office) the USA will simply not be competitive.

Hell, Obama is running around talking about lots of "jobs" created *in government*. Every government job is detrimental to the economy because the money to pay that worker has to come out of the legitimate economy.

Figure, every $10,000 in salary and overhead for a government worker eliminates one job in the private economy.

But most americans are not taught economics in school, or even critical thinking, so they swallow the funny money economics of the political class hook line and sinker.

Just try getting one to admit that regulations and government forcing unions on people have destroyed the manufacturing sector-- but they're out of work so they still cry about jobs going overseas.

Never will occur to them that one causes the other!
I think you're taking the blame off regular Americans here, the kind that feel they are too good to work in a factory.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 08:48 PM   #170
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So from now on apple products are gonna have this on the back:

Designed by Apple in California
Partially manufactured in the US
Mostly Manufactured elsewhere
FULLY assembled in China


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Old Dec 8, 2012, 09:52 PM   #171
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This is what I read "Somebody looking to get their name in the paper pulled the number 200 out of their ass since virtually no details about which mac product have even been released."
The 'ass' even has a name
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 09:54 PM   #172
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Expect this to happen more in the next 20 years -- people need to realize that cheap manual labor will soon be a thing of the past, and that most if not all blue collar manufacturing jobs will be replaced by automated assembly lines.
This is nothing new. 10,000 years ago a village full of hunters and gatherers got replaced by a handful of farmers. The hunters and gatherers found new lines of work, like inventing letters and numbers.

200 years ago villages full of hand-craftsmen got replaced by a few machines run by hydro power at a central mill. The craftsmen went to work at the mills and huge volumes of consumer goods got made cheaply.

The mills full of workers in turn got replaced, with entire industries dying out or moving elsewhere.

What you say is true in large part. The question is how we deal with the situation, both politically and economically.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 10:25 PM   #173
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UNIONS will ruin it.

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So you same idiots crying for the RICH to pay their fair share think it is fine for APPLE to avoid paying their fair share.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 11:11 PM   #174
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Both Steve Jobs and Tim Cook have stated that the reason manufacturing isn't done in the US is that we don't teach the skills in our schools anymore that are needed for these jobs. I've even heard them say that the education system would need to be reformed to bring manufacturing jobs to the US.

I have never understood this.

I in no way want to devalue to the service and work by people who work in manufacturing, but what are the skills they're talking about? Even if you had a background in engineering, you'd need the same on-the-job training for putting together an iPhone as anyone else.

Frankly, because this has always sounded like BS to me (and there perhaps is an angle of it I don't get), I was frustrated that Brian Williams didn't challenge Tim Cook when he repeated that famous explanation.

So, I started thinking to myself, if these are jobs which Americans are too ignorant to work at, presumably we'll be extending work visas to Chinese people who are educated in the ways of manufacturing to come to the US to work at this new factory.
They are stating that Americans are nothing but cavemen. Perphaps they go to school involving engineering? or trade?
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people need to realize that cheap manual labor will soon be a thing of the past, and that most if not all blue collar manufacturing jobs will be replaced by automated assembly lines.
Not likely. As long as there are people in China willing to work for peanuts.
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