Go Back   MacRumors Forums > Archive > Wasteland

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Dec 10, 2012, 10:00 AM   #1
likemyorbs
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NJ
Send a message via AIM to likemyorbs
49% Of Republicans Polled Blame ACORN For Obama Victory

Yep, you know, the ACORN that no longer exists. But no, ignorance is NOT prevalent among their party, that's just a stereotype.


Quote:
One only has to look to this University of Maryland study for evidence of that fact. In a summary released by worldpublicopinion.org, (University of Maryland) the author stated:

“…the poll found strong evidence that voters were substantially misinformed on many of the key issues of the campaign. Such misinformation was correlated with how people voted and their exposure to various news sources.” The author went on to say, “Voters’ misinformation included beliefs at odds with the conclusions of government agencies, generally regarded as non-partisan, consisting of professional economists and scientists.”

Here are some examples of the misinformation issues agreed upon by Fox News viewers or Americans who relied solely on the Republican entertainment media complex, which includes talking heads like Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.

Though the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) concluded that the stimulus legislation has saved or created 2.0-5.2 million jobs, only 8% of voters thought most economists who had studied it concluded that the stimulus legislation had created or saved several million jobs. Most (68%) believed that economists estimate that it only created or saved a few jobs and 20% even believed that it resulted in job losses.
Though the CBO concluded that the health reform law would reduce the budget deficit, 53% of voters thought most economists have concluded that health reform will increase the deficit.
Though the Department of Commerce says that the US economy began to recover from recession in the third quarter of 2009 and has continued to grow since then, only 44% of voters thought the economy is starting to recover, while 55% thought the economy is still getting worse.
Though the National Academy of Sciences has concluded that climate change is occurring, 45% of voters thought most scientists think climate change is not occurring (12%) or that scientists are evenly divided (33%).
Link
Attached Images
 
likemyorbs is offline   6
Old Dec 10, 2012, 10:13 AM   #2
quagmire
macrumors 603
 
quagmire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Where in the article does it say 49% of Republicans that were polled blame ACORN besides the title?

The author seems to have a heavy slant.
__________________
Crimes against US History:
CV-6 USS Enterprise
Yankee Stadium
Penn Station-New York
quagmire is offline   0
Old Dec 10, 2012, 10:18 AM   #3
likemyorbs
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NJ
Send a message via AIM to likemyorbs
Quote:
Originally Posted by quagmire View Post
Where in the article does it say 49% of Republicans that were polled blame ACORN besides the title?

The author seems to have a heavy slant.
Did you check the first sentence?

Quote:
In yet another display of ignorance, a recent poll by Public Policy Polling shows that 49% of Republicans surveyed blame the now defunct organization ACORN for President Obama’s victory in November.
I see no slant there.
likemyorbs is offline   0
Old Dec 10, 2012, 10:23 AM   #4
Huntn
macrumors 604
 
Huntn's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: The Misty Mountains
Quote:
In yet another display of ignorance, a recent poll by Public Policy Polling shows that 49% of Republicans surveyed blame the now defunct organization ACORN for President Obama’s victory in November.
Not saying this is not slanted...
__________________
The modern business ethos: "I'm worth it, you're not, and I'm a glutton!"
MBP, 2.2 GHz intel i7, Radeon HD 6750M, Bootcamp: W7.
PC: i5 4670k, 8GB RAM, Asus GTX670 (2GB VRAM), W7.
Huntn is offline   1
Old Dec 10, 2012, 10:35 AM   #5
kavika411
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alabama
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huntn View Post
Not saying this is not slanted...
I always enjoy this kind of gotcha polling/journalism. Reminds me of some of James O'Keefe's better work.
kavika411 is offline   0
Old Dec 10, 2012, 10:38 AM   #6
likemyorbs
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NJ
Send a message via AIM to likemyorbs
Quote:
Originally Posted by kavika411 View Post
I always enjoy this kind of gotcha polling/journalism. Reminds me of some of James O'Keefe's better work.
Or you can actually comment about the statistic in question. But that would be unlike you wouldn't it?
likemyorbs is offline   2
Old Dec 10, 2012, 10:39 AM   #7
kavika411
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alabama
Quote:
Originally Posted by likemyorbs View Post
Or you can actually comment about the statistic in question. But that would be unlike you wouldn't it?
Sure.

I'm surprised 49% of Republicans know what ACORN was.

Is that acceptable?
kavika411 is offline   2
Old Dec 10, 2012, 10:40 AM   #8
likemyorbs
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: NJ
Send a message via AIM to likemyorbs
Quote:
Originally Posted by kavika411 View Post
Sure.

I'm surprised 49% of Republicans know what ACORN is.

Is that acceptable?
Quite!
likemyorbs is offline   1
Old Dec 10, 2012, 11:26 AM   #9
edk99
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: FL
I blame ignorant voters.
edk99 is offline   1
Old Dec 10, 2012, 11:48 AM   #10
citizenzen
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by edk99 View Post
I blame ignorant voters.
Don't be so hard on Republicans.

citizenzen is offline   6
Old Dec 10, 2012, 12:04 PM   #11
ugahairydawgs
macrumors 68020
 
ugahairydawgs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
It isn't just Republicans. People in the US are just inherently ignorant of most of what goes on in the world. Hardly anyone takes the time to educate themselves on issues anymore. Instead most of us just go with whatever sound byte we are fed by Fox or MSNBC.

This is slanted against "Obama supporters", but just a good example of what we deal with.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=SeJbOU4nmHQ (Howard Stern link....so could be some bad language in there)
ugahairydawgs is offline   1
Old Dec 10, 2012, 12:11 PM   #12
CorvusCamenarum
macrumors 65816
 
CorvusCamenarum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Birmingham, AL
Quote:
Originally Posted by quagmire View Post
Where in the article does it say 49% of Republicans that were polled blame ACORN besides the title?

The author seems to have a heavy slant.
PPP only conducts polls for Democrats and the left-leaning.
__________________
Much of modern liberalism consists of people trying to get revenge on the football players to whom they felt inferior in school.
CorvusCamenarum is offline   0
Old Dec 10, 2012, 12:19 PM   #13
leekohler
Banned
 
leekohler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Chicago, Illinois
Quote:
Originally Posted by CorvusCamenarum View Post
PPP only conducts polls for Democrats and the left-leaning.
Of course- just like the librool media.
leekohler is offline   3
Old Dec 10, 2012, 12:27 PM   #14
Tomorrow
macrumors 603
 
Tomorrow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Always a day away
Blaming something that's no longer around for continuing to have an impact on voters' opinions...sounds about as ignorant as saying centuries of slavery - which no longer exists - is still having an impact on today's society.
__________________
I would scream just to be heard, as if yelling at the stars - I was bleeding just to feel.
You would never say a word, kept me reaching in the dark - always something to conceal.
Tomorrow is offline   2
Old Dec 10, 2012, 12:45 PM   #15
iHailCarlo
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Because they are idiots. ACORN hasn't been around for couple years now.
iHailCarlo is offline   0
Old Dec 10, 2012, 01:56 PM   #16
bradl
macrumors 68030
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomorrow View Post
Blaming something that's no longer around for continuing to have an impact on voters' opinions...sounds about as ignorant as saying centuries of slavery - which no longer exists - is still having an impact on today's society.
Actually, it sorta still is.. You know.. confederate flags... repeal of the civil Rights Act of 1964... Some of the other things some previous POTUS candidates was hoping to achieve...

BL.
bradl is offline   3
Old Dec 10, 2012, 01:56 PM   #17
obeygiant
macrumors 68040
 
obeygiant's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Michigan
Why are there questions about ACORN on the survey if the organization is now defunct?

On question #5 about if "Obama legitimately won the election"... Press 2 "if you think ACORN stole it for him."

What a fun multiple choice that is! Hell I may have pressed 2 just for s*its & giggles!




Edit: There are Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.
obeygiant is offline   3
Old Dec 12, 2012, 12:16 PM   #18
jnpy!$4g3cwk
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by likemyorbs View Post
Yep, you know, the ACORN that no longer exists. But no, ignorance is NOT prevalent among their party, that's just a stereotype.

Link
So, 1/2 of self-identified Republican voters = ~16-19% of the electorate. The same roughly 20% faction - mostly social conservative - that continues to derail rational discussions about almost every issue. Some states are experimenting with a new primary system that may help-- we will see.

Here is the original PPP reference:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/m...ults-well.html

Last edited by jnpy!$4g3cwk; Dec 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM. Reason: small numeric inaccuracy
jnpy!$4g3cwk is offline   1
Old Dec 12, 2012, 12:56 PM   #19
zioxide
macrumors 603
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Massachusetts
Quote:
Originally Posted by iHailCarlo View Post
Because they are idiots. ACORN hasn't been around for couple years now.
It's just like when Paul Ryan tried to blame President Obama for a manufacturing plant that closed while Bush was still the President.

Stupid is as stupid does?
zioxide is offline   7
Old Dec 12, 2012, 01:03 PM   #20
VulchR
macrumors 68000
 
VulchR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Scotland
Quote:
Originally Posted by obeygiant View Post
....
Edit: There are Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics.
There are liars, damned liars, and politicians.

[Stats don't lie, people do.]
__________________
My first was a Mac+. Now I own an iPhone with 3.5x the pixels, a colour display, WiFi, 512x the RAM, >1500x the data storage, and 100x the speed. And it fits in the palm of my hand.
VulchR is online now   0
Old Dec 12, 2012, 08:44 PM   #21
CorvusCamenarum
macrumors 65816
 
CorvusCamenarum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Birmingham, AL
Quote:
Originally Posted by leekohler View Post
Of course- just like the librool media.
Your driveling snark advances the discussion how?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiki
It is labeled as a Democratic firm because in its private client work, it conducts polls only for Democratic campaigns and progressive organizations.
So yeah, they have a definite slant.
__________________
Much of modern liberalism consists of people trying to get revenge on the football players to whom they felt inferior in school.
CorvusCamenarum is offline   0
Old Dec 12, 2012, 09:56 PM   #22
splitpea
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Among the starlings
Quote:
Originally Posted by CorvusCamenarum View Post
Your driveling snark advances the discussion how?



So yeah, they have a definite slant.
And yet their presidential election polls were far more accurate than those of supposedly middle-of-the road organizations like Gallup. So they must be doing something right.
__________________
What's the point of a sig showing the system I owned in 2006?
splitpea is offline   0
Old Dec 12, 2012, 10:07 PM   #23
thekev
macrumors 603
 
thekev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
I wouldn't take multiple choice as valid data for this kind of thing. People will guess when they don't get the reference. Obeygiant already pointed out the potential to mark it for amusement.
__________________
world's largest manufacturer of tin foil hats, none of that aluminum foil crap.
thekev is offline   0
Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:10 AM   #24
hulugu
macrumors 68000
 
hulugu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: the faraway towns
Quote:
Originally Posted by obeygiant View Post
Why are there questions about ACORN on the survey if the organization is now defunct?

On question #5 about if "Obama legitimately won the election"... Press 2 "if you think ACORN stole it for him."

What a fun multiple choice that is! Hell I may have pressed 2 just for s*its & giggles!
By that reasoning you should reject any poll that uses this methodology and not just one that happens to be slightly embarrassing for Republicans.

Also, you linked to 2009's PPP poll. Here's the new one.

One of the more interesting results is that PPP asked about the fake Panetta-Bowels-Simpson plan, showing the cracks in public information.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CorvusCamenarum View Post
PPP only conducts polls for Democrats and the left-leaning.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CorvusCamenarum View Post
...So yeah, they have a definite slant.
Interesting. The poll's questions and methodology are available. What part did you find slanted?
__________________
I look like a soldier; I feel like a thief
hulugu is offline   0
Old Dec 13, 2012, 09:44 AM   #25
classicaliberal
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
I know everyone loves to get all worked up into a froth, but let me add some reality and context into the equation.

The word "ACORN" means more to the right now than the organization itself. ACORN came to represent a tactic that the right despises. The word ACORN is now used to represent any company/organization/community-organizers that they perceive to be doing one particular thing...

Getting politically ignorant people who would have otherwise never voted, out to the polling places. Their (correct) assumption is that this socio-economic group being oranized will vote primarily for candidates from the Democratic party, and that these votes are primarily motivated by 'whats best for me' as opposed to 'whats best for the country.'

While ACORN is dead, the people who ran it and the people who ran organizations just like it obviously still exist and obviously are still playing a huge role in our country's political process. To the right, this is a very real and very serious problem.
classicaliberal is offline   0


Closed Thread
MacRumors Forums > Archive > Wasteland

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Teens Blame Michelle Obama jkcerda Politics, Religion, Social Issues 30 May 6, 2014 12:10 PM
Obama, Republicans reach deal on fiscal cliff; Senate vote expected tonight MacNut Politics, Religion, Social Issues 110 Jan 3, 2013 11:49 AM
My Mama Says Obama - Funny Video pokes fun at Republicans Zwhaler Politics, Religion, Social Issues 1 Oct 31, 2012 03:27 AM
For you Republicans, what will you do when Obama wins? Jackintosh Wasteland 0 Oct 11, 2012 08:47 PM
Republicans have always supported individual mandate until...Obama came along? vega07 Politics, Religion, Social Issues 6 Jun 26, 2012 08:20 AM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:45 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC