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Old Dec 10, 2012, 02:44 PM   #26
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I guess HDMI is also a bag of hurt.
In many instances it is. Whether it be distance limitations, poor connector ruggedization, or the atrociousness that is HDCP handshaking, HDMI has been a bag of hurt for me in many ways.

I truly wish we could have gotten SDI instead of HDMI.

Yeah, so it would be a bit easier for the pirates in certain circumstances, but a quick troll of the internet shows that is a lost battle anyways. Might as well give us a reliable, rugged solution that works with a very well behaved and understood cabling system.

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PS: for anyone about to make noise about SDI interface costs, that is purely a condition of (relative) obscurity. Pricing would have / could have been much different with critical mass adoption.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 02:45 PM   #27
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I tried updating, but it didn't work! . Found out my Mac Mini wasn't plugged in. Boy do I feel silly! LOL!!

Seriously, there's no fix for 2011 Mini's with the same problem?
I had (up until about a week ago when I sold it) a 2011 Base Mini hooked to an HDMI monitor with no issues since they were released. I've read lots of problems with the 2012, but virtually none with the 2011.....
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 02:45 PM   #28
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Nice! Hope this works, as I have held off on buying one because of this issue.
Same here...wanted to make sure I wasn't buying a product defective out of the gate. Hope this is the answer. I have my CC ready....
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 02:50 PM   #29
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I had (up until about a week ago when I sold it) a 2011 Base Mini hooked to an HDMI monitor with no issues since they were released. I've read lots of problems with the 2012, but virtually none with the 2011.....
I've had all sorts of problems with my 2011 base mini when hooked up through HDMI including random black and snow screens, even kernel panics on restart. Ever since I switched to thunderbolt with an adapter from monoprice, I haven't had any issues whatsoever. I've been problem free for over 2 months now...
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 02:55 PM   #30
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I had (up until about a week ago when I sold it) a 2011 Base Mini hooked to an HDMI monitor with no issues since they were released. I've read lots of problems with the 2012, but virtually none with the 2011.....
I was experiencing issues as well with a 2011 mini connected using hdmi. Extremely annoying, and had many many support calls with Apple (they were trying to help figure out the cause). Eventually I changed my monitor to a newer one that had display port so it wasn't a big deal.

But the problem existed, a quick google search and you'll see a lot of complaining.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:00 PM   #31
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Sir, this issues only affects 2012 Mac Mini(s).
Apparently you ignored this post earlier in the thread. That was what I was referring to and what I was addressing

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Glad to see they never bothered to fix the flickering on the 2011 model over HDMI.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:01 PM   #32
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Apparently you ignored this post earlier in the thread. That was what I was referring to and what I was addressing
oh bad, 2011 model also has same issues! darn it.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:02 PM   #33
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Glad to see they never bothered to fix the flickering on the 2011 model over HDMI.
You should have bought the Online Pass ... i mean Apple care
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:03 PM   #34
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Do you call display flickering a "pesky annoyance"? I thought it was a major issue.
Allright, granted, it would be a major annoyance.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:04 PM   #35
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This is a Mac mini. Is there any other way to do it?
some power sources may not work and therefore switches to backup power mode. you shouldn't do it on a backup power mode.

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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:05 PM   #36
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Allright, granted, it would be a major annoyance.
not only the flickering or random black screen, there is a color issue also. it blurs out everything.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:10 PM   #37
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This is a Mac mini. Is there any other way to do it?
I have the hand-crank model, which is useful during power outages and playing bejewled after the apocalypse on Dec 21.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:13 PM   #38
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Is this "flickering" an actual constant flicker (like the old computers with interlace or PAL displays) or are we talking about the display going black for a second and then coming back on? The latter is what my brand new Mac Mini does over DVI (using the HDMI to DVI dongle). It IS annoying. My old PowerMac with an ATI Radeon 9800GT does the SAME thing, though (just not as often) so I'm wondering what in the heck all these Macs have in common. that thing is from 2001 and has the PPC architecture and does the same thing.

I ordered a Thunderbolt to HDMI adapter (which come to think I'll then have to use the DVI adapter on as well depending on which of my monitors I end up using it with), but haven't gotten it yet.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:13 PM   #39
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I was experiencing issues as well with a 2011 mini connected using hdmi. Extremely annoying, and had many many support calls with Apple (they were trying to help figure out the cause). Eventually I changed my monitor to a newer one that had display port so it wasn't a big deal.

But the problem existed, a quick google search and you'll see a lot of complaining.
Strange, becuase my my LG LED monitors connected via HDMI have had no issues with this. I haven't seen many complains in the Mac Mini forums about this (and you would think you would since the 2012's have a series of issues and many with 2011's aren't complaining). I had an issue early on with the HDMI port but a swap of cables and I was good to go.

Either way, the issue does not seem to be nearly as widespread as the 2012 which pretty much affects all HDMI connected tv's and monitors.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:17 PM   #40
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Strange, becuase my my LG LED monitors connected via HDMI have had no issues with this. I haven't seen many complains in the Mac Mini forums about this (and you would think you would since the 2012's have a series of issues and many with 2011's aren't complaining). I had an issue early on with the HDMI port but a swap of cables and I was good to go.

Either way, the issue does not seem to be nearly as widespread as the 2012 which pretty much affects all HDMI connected tv's and monitors.
I know, it definitely wasn't every 2011 mini that had the issue, it was very funny, but so easy to replicate. I did see several 2011's that didn't have the same issue.

It never worried me too much as I didn't want to use hdmi full time as a connection to my monitor, and I was planning on using it as a small server without monitor anyway. And who knows, the issue could have been fixed, it's been nearly 18 months with several updates and mountain lion being released since the issue happened.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:33 PM   #41
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It seems like every single mac for the last few years has had this issue and then was fixed with it's own patch a couple months later. Can they not just make this patch before they ship the damn things?
I guess we the consumers are the final testers, no matter how many hours they test units there is nothing like mass use in the real world. And as customers we want new things now.

Just hope there are no major bugs in the new iMac or Fusion Drive, I guess we now have a few weeks of testing by Mini users of the new FD and nothing bad has been reported?
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:33 PM   #42
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For the Mac Mini, really?
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:36 PM   #43
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lol I returned mine on Saturday because of this issue. I guess the people at returns aren't in any type of loop be it the problems with hardware or if a fix is coming.
Should be some great deals on refurb'd minis...including yours.

(I actually already own a 2012 mini and worked around the problem by connecting a minidisplayport-to-HDMI adapter, then the adapter Apple supplied with the mini (HDMI-to-DVI) and then used my DVI cable to my display. No flickering.)
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:48 PM   #44
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See, all the hand wringing over this issue and its fixed relatively quickly once Intel found the cause and a came up with a workaround (there is a flaw in Intel's HD4xxx graphics chips).

Having my Mac mini running all day I saw the screen black out twice I think. It's not world-ending or anything.

I also did not have any issues with HDMI to my 50" plasma TV such as odd coloring or blurry text. Yeah the text isn't perfectly sharp, but its a TV and you don't sit 16" away from it like a desktop display (I have an LG IPS235 and it looks awesome running off my Mac mini).
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 03:54 PM   #45
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I have a 2011 Mac Mini hooked up via HDMI and I have absolutely no problems with flickering and never have had any
same here
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Since I got no reply thus far, I went to YouTube to see what this "flicker" is supposed to look like and in one video it shows the video being displayed turn purple tinted about every 6 or 7 seconds and in the other one I looked at, there are white rectangular patterns shooting down the screen (may look different in person), but the picture DOES maintain a lock, it seems in both cases whereas my Mac Mini's display actually loses lock and goes BLACK screen for a second or two and then comes back on. But there is no patterns/flicker as such and it doesn't happen every 6-10 seconds or whatever. It happens maybe once or twice an hour. It may not be the same thing at all.

I'll have to see if the firmware update makes any difference. I am using the DVI adapter with the 24" LG monitor in question, though. I have another 24" LG monitor that uses HDMI, though that I could try with it if need be (currently connected to my Windows machine with a DVI-to-HDMI cable).

I've got a Mini-DP/Thunderbolt to HDMI cable on the way as well for the other connector.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 04:19 PM   #49
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i only experience this issue when i stream movies over netflix, otherwise my screen never flickers.

hopefully this update fixes the issue either way.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 04:23 PM   #50
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From what I read there are multiple problems with Mac Mini HDMI:
  • Poor colours
  • Screen flickering
  • Screen blanking
  • 'Snow'

Which of the issues do Apple claim this firmware fixes? And which are Mac Mini owners finding it has fixed?
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