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Old Dec 10, 2012, 11:34 PM   #1
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US iphone 5

Hello,

Short of wanting to reinvent the wheel....I am in the USA on honeymoon. I have the opportunity to get the iPhone 5 "sim free".

As many know, the A1429 model in the USA is a little different from that sold in the UK. I have been told the sim free "unlocked" handset in the USA is indeed a Verizon handset, which from what I see is unlocked out the box.

My questions are: can I use the USA handset in the UK using EE's 4G or is it just gsm unlocked (and locked LTE)? And, with this US handset, will I be able to call and browse the internet simultaneously?

Finally, without looking at the spec sheet, has anyone here actually done the above, and if so, may I ask of experiences please?

Many many thanks for your help.
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Old Dec 10, 2012, 11:36 PM   #2
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You heard wrong.
The officially unlocked model sold in the US is the A1428
Not the one you want.
The US one has the LTE bands compatible with North American carriers, not European ones used.
You need to buy the full priced verizon i5. That's the A1429.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/LTE/
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Old Dec 11, 2012, 12:10 AM   #3
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the verizon one A1429 could help you for EE use but i'm not sure if this device is sold as "unlocked" even sold at full price if it is then LTE and sim use won't be an issue

and indeed as Applejuiced said only the A1428 is the "official unlocked" iPhone that they sell for LTE use in canada usa and mexico (and the rest of the americas in 2013)
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Old Dec 11, 2012, 12:43 AM   #4
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the verizon one A1429 could help you for EE use but i'm not sure if this device is sold as "unlocked" even sold at full price if it is then LTE and sim use won't be an issue

and indeed as Applejuiced said only the A1428 is the "official unlocked" iPhone that they sell for LTE use in canada usa and mexico (and the rest of the americas in 2013)
I can confirm that the Verizon A1429 is unlocked out of the box. Verizon has even confirmed it themselves. They are not allowed to lock it due to FCC requirements they agreed to with the purchase of the 700MHz band they utilize for LTE.

See '(e) Handset locking prohibited' at http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...2.49.7&idno=47 for further clarification.

To the OP, go ahead and walk into an Apple store and just ask for a Verizon iPhone 5 as a 'device only' sale. It will function just like a standard GSM unlocked A1429 would, and with support for the 1800MHz LTE band EE is utilizing. I wouldn't mention anything about it being used abroad or asking if it is unlocked, as they most likely wouldn't know.

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Old Dec 11, 2012, 12:46 AM   #5
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I can confirm that the Verizon A1429 is unlocked out of the box. Verizon has even confirmed it themselves. They are not allowed to lock it due to FCC requirements they agreed to with the purchase of the 700MHz band they utilize for LTE.

See '(e) Handset locking prohibited' at http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx...2.49.7&idno=47 for further clarification.
That is correct.
All Verizon iphone 5 phones are unlocked and will work with any GSM carrier. Even if bought under contract or bought full price.
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Old Dec 11, 2012, 03:10 AM   #6
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Thanks for the replies. I did make the mistake of asking about use abroad, all were clueless, except one. He did say the unlocked phone they sell is the A1428. That was the one they brought me originally. I then said I was after the A1429. That was when he started to talk about the Verizon phone.

I understand the Verizon A1429 will function as any gsm handset in the UK. The concern I have is from what the chap said in-store was the LTE frequencies being locked to Verizon. Hawaii is a long long way away from the UK. I don't want to get it wrong...

So to confirm: the Verizon A1429 sold in the USA will work for both 3G/3G+ and 4G if used with an EE sim in the UK?

Many thanks again for your input and advice.
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Old Dec 11, 2012, 04:46 AM   #7
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Thanks for the replies. I did make the mistake of asking about use abroad, all were clueless, except one. He did say the unlocked phone they sell is the A1428. That was the one they brought me originally. I then said I was after the A1429. That was when he started to talk about the Verizon phone.

I understand the Verizon A1429 will function as any gsm handset in the UK. The concern I have is from what the chap said in-store was the LTE frequencies being locked to Verizon. Hawaii is a long long way away from the UK. I don't want to get it wrong...

So to confirm: the Verizon A1429 sold in the USA will work for both 3G/3G+ and 4G if used with an EE sim in the UK?

Many thanks again for your input and advice.
That's absolutely correct. The Verizon A1429 is not locked in any way. It is fully unlocked for GSM/LTE use. The Verizon A1429 is the EXACT same hardware that you get with a SIM free A1429 in the UK, with the exception that it can be provisioned on the Verizon CDMA network, which is irrelevant in your situation.

The A1428 you were brought initially would work in the UK as well, however only on GSM/3G as it does not support the LTE band in use by EE. The only difference between the two models is the LTE bands it supports. Hopefully by the time the 5S comes out they'll have merged all the LTE bands into one device and only have one hardware model like the 4S.

Hope this helps.

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Old Dec 11, 2012, 01:05 PM   #8
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Thanks. Helpful indeed.

Finally, has anyone actually done this, ie bought the US Verizon iPhone 5 and brought it for use in the? Experiences??

Thanks once again.
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Old Dec 11, 2012, 03:24 PM   #9
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Thanks. Helpful indeed.

Finally, has anyone actually done this, ie bought the US Verizon iPhone 5 and brought it for use in the? Experiences??

Thanks once again.
people have, just tell the clerk you want the verizon one open it up and make sure its A1429 and just tell them device only no activation whatsoever and that should do it I think
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Old Dec 11, 2012, 05:42 PM   #10
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Thanks. Helpful indeed.

Finally, has anyone actually done this, ie bought the US Verizon iPhone 5 and brought it for use in the? Experiences??

Thanks once again.
I have not personally used EE LTE on a Verizon A1429, but I do know someone who has. I have an Orange PAYG SIM that I use while in the UK and I can confirm that it works in the Verizon A1429 and successfully registers onto a roaming network here in the states, but I will not be able to personally test LTE until my next visit to the UK. Hopefully they'll be offering LTE on PAYG by then as well!

But as has been said before, it is unlocked and the spec sheet clearly states that it will support the EE LTE band.
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