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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:04 AM   #76
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Apple would benefit SO much by allowing a slightly more open system. This includes letting some of the great jailbreak developers start porting their apps over to the 'legit' side...LockInfo, Multifl0w, biteSMS, etc, etc.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:08 AM   #77
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Seriously, you give out a free mobile OS to a bunch of handset guys and now you think you're king of the world?
Eric isn't even playing Apple on the same field. Let Google do its own phone with no other handset maker using Android and lets see Google battle it with Apple that way.
If Google comes out on top, THAT WASY, then I'll give then their props.
But giving out your sh** for free to a bunch of clowns that put out a dozen models of cellphones a week is weak.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:09 AM   #78
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Yeah, like how the iPhone always has wifi problems needing you to wipe your phone.
I'm curious...how badly did Apple wound you? Equally curious, why would someone allow a brand and/or mobile operating system to cause them such anguish?
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:10 AM   #79
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Same logic could be applied to Windows and OS X.
But ultimately Windows IS the dominate computing platform... and it shows in terms of stability, applications, accessories, etc.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:11 AM   #80
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I DO NOT want an ad-based phone OS!!!
That's cool...since Android isn't an ad based OS.

I've used both Android and iOS devices. Just recently switched from a 4S to the Nexus 4 until I'm eligible for my next AT&T upgrade (5S?). Both are great. Both have their pros and cons. There are some things the iOS devices do better (screen sensitivity is one!) and there are some things Android does better. Neither one is a end all be all device.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:14 AM   #81
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I DO NOT want an ad-based phone OS!!!
Then you'll be happy to know that Android is not ad-based.

Regarding the thread, better shut up, Schmidt, it is better for all of us
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:14 AM   #82
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El Buli < McDonald's, Eric: now you go and eat that cheap cheeseburger.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:17 AM   #83
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Don't know how Tim going to react to this.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:21 AM   #84
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Yeah, like how the iPhone always has wifi problems needing you to wipe your phone.
srsly? Touch wood (or my head) I've never had an issue with any apple hardware, except with the home button on my iPad (3rd gen). Pretty much everything has worked flawlessly.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:26 AM   #85
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You call this winning Eric? Eric Schmidt, the Rupert Murdoch of the tech world.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:30 AM   #86
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"We will end up with a not perfectly controlled and not perfectly managed bigger pie by virtue of open systems."

Translation: Our pies will suck, but there sure will be a lot of them!
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:32 AM   #87
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One amusing point of the Eric Schmidt interview was how dismissive he was of Microsoft.

Also, Eric Schmidt as a speaker and public figure is far more articulate, presentable and likeable than that mumbling muppet Larry Page and the completely uncharismatic Sergey Brin.

I guess there is a reason why Eric tends to be the man out front.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:34 AM   #88
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El Buli < McDonald's
Why one is El Bulli and the other McDonalds?
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 12:35 AM   #89
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He has that same slimy, self-satisfied smirk that Bill Gates used to have.

I can't stand Mr. Schmidt. He's a businessman who has corrupted the original values of Google, and it seems likely he used his privileged position on the Apple board to steal iPhone trade secrets.

But really, I don't care who has the bigger marketshare. That was never what Apple was about. It was about making the best products. I think competition is a great thing, as long as it's above-board competition.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 01:16 AM   #90
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I can't stand Mr. Schmidt. He's a businessman who has corrupted the original values of Google, and it seems likely he used his privileged position on the Apple board to steal iPhone trade secrets.
Exactly what secrets did he stole?

You know that even Jobs didn't accused him of nothing?
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 01:19 AM   #91
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Then you'll be happy to know that Android is not ad-based.
Right! Google funds Android through...um...er...uh....
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 01:30 AM   #92
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Right! Google funds Android through...um...er...uh....
If you have problems understanding what ad-based on means it's your own problem, not mine.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 01:31 AM   #93
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Okay. Android is winning.

It's always sweet when Apple is not the no.1.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 01:33 AM   #94
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You have to hand it to Eric, he's 100% right.

Like for like Android is just that much better for its users than ios.

Will apple to adapt to come out on top?... Unlikely!
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 01:35 AM   #95
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Hahahaha I wonder if the same people here bashing Google are going to download the new maps app was just released, don't lie you know your going to do it
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 01:45 AM   #96
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Regarding the thread, better shut up, Schmidt, it is better for all of us
I'm gonna write him a letter asking him not to say anything ever again. Every time the guy opens his mouth, we have a teetotal freak out spaz-fest around here.

OH GAWWW THE DEVIL I MEAN ERIC SCHMIDT SAID SOMETHING LETS CALL HIM A THIEF FOR 3 DAYS STRAIGHT THEN BURN SOME EFFIGIES FOR EFFECT!
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 01:46 AM   #97
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Winning like the 90s is nonsensical

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think this whole discussion is off base. Eric Schmidt brings up Microsoft-Apple, but that was the 90s. The OS wars don't make any sense anymore - especially not for mobile. The ease of mobile development, the basic functionality of the phone, and thus the interconnectivity of the devices means that a developer can reach every device of a particular operating systems. A developer can cater to a niche market, where as long as they will buy or otherwise spend money on the app, they will have success. iOS has a healthy app ecosystem - tested and proven for app-makers. The difference between now and the 90s is that doesn't change as much with a smaller market share. Microsoft trounced Apple because it gained such a wide-margin over market share that developers found it too cost ineffective to develop for it and retailers wouldn't stock Apple software. Thus people wouldn't buy Apple products because they couldn't use their favorite applications and people didn't develop for Apple because it was too hard to reach the few people who owned a Mac. However, those issues are ameliorated significantly when you have digital retail and app development has come a long way since then on all platforms. True Microsoft and BlackBerry have more limited ecosystems, but unlike the 90s, because they are down, doesn't mean they are (necessarily) out. I see a lot more fluidity in the mobile OS space than the computer OS space and the computer OS space is healthier than it's ever been. OS X still has a much smaller OS-share than Windows, especially around the world. However, the app ecosystem for OS X is better than it has ever been. Part of that is because of increased market share in the US, but part of that is digital retail and better development tools make it easier to develop for and sell to customers regardless of how small your market share is. There may be a limit to how many OSes the mobile market can support, but I bet it's more than two and won't end up with one completely dominant as the 90s OS wars did.

In short, iOS has a healthy ecosystem. Android has a healthy ecosystem. WinPH8 and BB aren't quite as healthy, but again things are more fluid. "Winning" doesn't mean what it used to mean. If someone likes Android, great! If someone prefers iOS, good for them! It doesn't matter. Their consumer choice is unlikely to affect your ability to get the next device of your preference or have a healthy ecosystem for your device. No one has market share dominance like the 90s, it is not clear anyone will be able to achieve that kind of dominance, and it won't matter quite as much even if they do.

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Old Dec 13, 2012, 01:47 AM   #98
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Apple would benefit more from diversifying it's product line more. Like they did with the iPod. Shuffle, nano, touch, classic. Four versions for different needs.

They should do the same - I'm sure there is a demand for:

1. iPhone mini - not very different from the iPod nano but larger. It does not have to be latest A-ship or retina. Just small, sexy, casual and basic. 3.0" or 3.5".

2. iPhone classic - 4". Basically the current iPhone 5.

3. the New iPhone. Like this rumor:

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/12/10/...ge-6-8-colors/

Apple needs to be on the case. Even though Apple earns a lot more money on iOS than Google on Android they still need to have a close eye on user base and market share. There can come a time where simple the share will shrink without diversification.

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Old Dec 13, 2012, 01:52 AM   #99
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I guess "winning" really depends on what one defines as the goal.

If your goal is market share, sure, you're "winning."

If your goal is profit, you're getting your butt handed to you on a silver platter. The platter is silver, because if you don't remember, iOS searches bring you more revenue than Android searches.

And by the way, Eric, as a former CEO and now chairman, I would expect you would know that the only metric that really matters is profit. So, in summary, you are losing.

That said, I do like Google's services (mail, reader, etc.).
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 02:15 AM   #100
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I've nothing at all against android, (except perhaps the bad name), but who really cares about all this we are 'winning the war' crap anyway?? We all choose which phone & platform we prefer, some choose android, some choose iOS, some choose whatever the other's are. From my own experiences in conversation with many people, a considerable number do opt for android. Though after a short while, they end up with iOS.

There is no comparison.
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