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Old Dec 13, 2012, 03:44 PM   #101
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And Apple's stock keeps tanking... unabated.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 03:46 PM   #102
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The fairness is that apple created all thoses products AND created the market for mobility while nobody wanted to try it.

If Apple failed with the iPhone, today, Apple -as SJ said- would be banckrupcy because they used all their money to do it.

It's so easy to do like samsung and just wait the others to do all the hard work, and then, once you see it's working, just pop in there and making copy of the products.
Apple in no way shape or form 'created' the mobile market or smartphones.
You can certainly argue the mobile market would be the same today regardless if Apple entered it or not.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 03:48 PM   #103
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Sick 'Em Kodak!

Wait... Didn't Kodak come up with the first digital camera? Thus everyone else copied off of them? Kodak should sue the whole lot, win billions, and then be back in business!!

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Old Dec 13, 2012, 03:49 PM   #104
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May be hard for Apple to get a fair trial if this keeps up.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 03:51 PM   #105
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Apple in no way shape or form 'created' the mobile market or smartphones.
Maybe if we called them "superphones" like Google tried to, this argument would be a bit clearer. But a rose by any other name...

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You can certainly argue the mobile market would be the same today regardless if Apple entered it or not.
Sure. But it would be a pretty silly argument.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 03:54 PM   #106
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Apple in no way shape or form 'created' the mobile market or smartphones.
You can certainly argue the mobile market would be the same today regardless if Apple entered it or not.
To some, there were no smartphones, tablets, streaming video devices, or mp3 players before Apple came out with their products. This is like saying Michael Jordan created basketball because everybody wants to play like Michael Jordan.

Apple benefited from the errors of early companies who laid the foundation for today's gadgets. I can't even name the last time Apple actually created a device that wasn't already created or out in the market from a competitor. Probably have to go back to the 80's/early 90's for the AIO desktops.

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Old Dec 13, 2012, 04:01 PM   #107
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No, they patented a implementation of slide to unlock that involves manipulating an image over a predefined path. They didn't patent simply sliding to unlock.
Baldi, you're right about the original patent, but once Apple realized there were other obvious methods, they went back later and piled on more claims using patents that were "extensions" of that one.

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Yes there is, and more than one in this regard. Here is one such patent
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20...ch-patent-faq/
That's another one of my favorite examples of obviousness.

Presented with the need to scroll different areas of a multi-touch screen, what would you do? Wait. You need two different kinds of gestures on a screen that recognizes more than one finger? Maybe, oh I don't know, use different numbers of fingers for this?

You bet. Then patent it just because no one else had.

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So one of mobilemediaidea's "ideas" was a "camera phone"? Good lord.
The patent Apple infringed is for a device (of almost any kind) with a camera, which then transmits the camera image (or an edited version) via radio "to another location".

Another USPTO gem. I swear, you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 04:12 PM   #108
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So one of mobilemediaidea's "ideas" was a "camera phone"? Good lord.
No. It says one of the patents was for the camera. The camera itself comprises many parts, bits of software, and similarly, many patents.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 04:15 PM   #109
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I wish I could get a patent trial free version of MacRumors, because they couldn't interest me less. So bored of all this suing back and forth that's only really a profit the law firms.
I wish we could get a patent trial free version of Apple. Their incessant litigation is an indication that they don't have much more to innovate and their focus is protecting what they have.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 04:16 PM   #110
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Apple benefited from the errors of early companies who laid the foundation for today's gadgets. I can't even name the last time Apple actually created a device that wasn't already created or out in the market from a competitor. Probably have to go back to the 80's/early 90's for the AIO desktops.
Exactly and that is a much tougher job. Anyone who knows what can be done with the current technology can go ahead and make some "new" device which nobody will use. Making one that people actually use is the trick regardless of its originality. Apple didn't make the first smartphone, but Apple changed the smartphone industry. Apple didn't make the first mp3 player but they changed the music industry. Making the first of any category is good for one thing, and that's patents.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 04:16 PM   #111
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"Good artists copy; great artists steal"

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Uh yeah, pretty sure Jobs was quoting Picasso.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 04:46 PM   #112
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So a patent on hanging up, nice.

Personally time to hit reset and null and void all current patent and start from scratch as FRAND does not work.
No, FRAND could work. Politics Disembowels it.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 04:57 PM   #113
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I wish I could get a patent trial free version of MacRumors, because they couldn't interest me less. So bored of all this suing back and forth that's only really a profit the law firms.
Sorry bro, the technology to remove patent threads from message boards is patented.


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Wait... Didn't Kodak come up with the first digital camera? Thus everyone else copied off of them? Kodak should sue the whole lot, win billions, and then be back in business!!

They didn't. But ironically Kodak directly stole polaroid technology from polaroid, who went out of business when the lawsuit was occuring (I think $800M to polaroid in damages, largest suit at the time).

And I guess that's a point, patents will not save a failing firm. They're more like error terms and the cost of doing business for large companies. Just like regulatory filings and Sarbanes Oxley compliance. I think there's only about 3000 lawsuits each year, of which only about 10% go forward. Again, in the grand scheme of things, not worth freaking out over.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 05:05 PM   #114
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So one of mobilemediaidea's "ideas" was a "camera phone"? Good lord.
MobileMedial is a firm that "takes care of" patents for Nokia and some other company. Those patents that iPhone infringed on were Nokia's not mobilemedia's
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 05:35 PM   #115
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Political insults belong in the Politics/Religion/Social Issues forum. But since you insist on bringing politics into this thread, my experience has been quite the opposite. The "Faux News" watchers, as someone like yourself would no doubt refer to them, have been very supportive of Apple in its patent wars. Many defend absurd patents, both hardware and software, as being a good expression of capitalism. Some who I had long thought to be arch-progressives have slowly transformed until their political views are staunchly pro-corp and pro-capitalism.

And I hope you aren't associating Google with conservatism, since Google is one of the most progressive companies on the planet. Schmidt just turned down a cabinet post in the 2.0 Obama admin.

Posts like yours merely prove that redneck hillbillies don't have a monopoly on ignorance.
Wow. And racist posts like yours belong nowhere on these forums. He made a single statement and you go popping off at the mouth calling people redneck hillbillies. You are trash.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 05:39 PM   #116
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That's another one of my favorite examples of obviousness.

Presented with the need to scroll different areas of a multi-touch screen, what would you do? Wait. You need two different kinds of gestures on a screen that recognizes more than one finger? Maybe, oh I don't know, use different numbers of fingers for this?

You bet. Then patent it just because no one else had.

Haha I agree about the obvious aspect but that won't stop apple from trying to throw it's weight around enforcing it.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 05:39 PM   #117
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So Apple is the ONLY company with a camera in a phone????

This is just companies with no products, going down hill and looking to cash in.

I wish I had gone to law school and become a judge. I would have concentrated on IP law and thrown these people out of my court with prejudice the moment they showed up.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 05:41 PM   #118
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I'd be fair if Apple had any sense of moral or ethical obligation. This is being very fair considering the amount of horses*it that Apple's thrown at the competition and global community.

Rounded corners? Flat glass surfaces? Slide to unlock?

Was there any fairness from Apple's part or from you or any other macrumors members when Apple bullied a polish online food delivery store named www.a.pl

Was any of that fair? There has been NO place for fairness in Apple's mind in the last 8 years, so this story is directly reflected of what Apple has been doing in the global community.

Don't even bring up fairness when cheering on for a company that doesnt care about you or fairness.
LOL You think Google or samsung has been fair to you? Samsungs suing apple for frand patents. Wireless and 3g patents should be for everyone. Without it no phone would be able to operate. Remember when google was taking your information without asking you on safari? Google has the worst privacy ever. Google wants people to be tracked. Google forces things down people's throats. Google went and bought MOTOROLA just to sue Apple. Now people wont be getting phones that were as good from motorola as they use to. Google sued apple over siri. Sure apple has made their mistakes in the past but saying that apple is not fair and companies like google and samsung are? wow.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 05:45 PM   #119
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I wish we could get a patent trial free version of Apple. Their incessant litigation is an indication that they don't have much more to innovate and their focus is protecting what they have.
UH... apple didn't file this lawsuit. Many of these lawsuits are leeches trying to cash in on apple. WHAT, they shouldn't defend themselves?

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Typical Apple thievery.
yes because Apple is the only phone maker with a camera in the phone.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 05:55 PM   #120
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Uh yeah, pretty sure Jobs was quoting Picasso.
He was quoting Banksy
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 05:57 PM   #121
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When did this forum become so overrun with fandroids?
What's with the name calling? Are you a child?

Anyways, most of his points are accurate, so instead of calling him names, you should raise some valid points, if you have any.
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 06:00 PM   #122
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Patent 6,563,927 - Back cover for a mobile phone.

There is not enough FAIL/LULZ/Facepalms on this planet to accurately describe how horrendously laughable this one is.
Yes somebody might even try to patent the shape of a tablet soon, how laughable would that be?

Oh wait.......
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Old Dec 13, 2012, 06:08 PM   #123
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Baldi, you're right about the original patent, but once Apple realized there were other obvious methods, they went back later and piled on more claims using patents that were "extensions" of that one.



That's another one of my favorite examples of obviousness.

Presented with the need to scroll different areas of a multi-touch screen, what would you do? Wait. You need two different kinds of gestures on a screen that recognizes more than one finger? Maybe, oh I don't know, use different numbers of fingers for this?

You bet. Then patent it just because no one else had.



The patent Apple infringed is for a device (of almost any kind) with a camera, which then transmits the camera image (or an edited version) via radio "to another location".

Another USPTO gem. I swear, you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.
Clearly, way too many patents granted to Apple and others have had way too high a threshold for obviousness. Multi-touch gestures? "Buy" button? RADIO transmission of images generated by a camera integrated into a phone? BACK COVER on a phone? You're right, it's hard to imagine a patent application that would be rejected. (Hey, can I get a patent on the process of applying for patents? Just think of the royalties, the settlements, and the jury awards! I know the idea is obvious, but that clearly doesn't matter, just so long as it isn't yet patented, right?)

What really gets me, though, is that a jury just UPHELD these ridiculous patents. At least some of Apple's silly patents are being reviewed or rejected. Apple legal team fail on this one.
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Apple is suing the Galaxy Note because of the S-pen which Apple doesn't develop any tablet pens.....but of course, this doesn't apply to Apple because hypocrisy....

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/06/...nging-patents/
If Apple isn't actively developing it within three years of filing, then it should absolutely go public domain. I know you think you're super edgy and think that I must be an Apple fanboy because I think patent trolls are the scum of the earth.
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If Apple isn't actively developing it within three years of filing, then it should absolutely go public domain. I know you think you're super edgy and think that I must be an Apple fanboy because I think patent trolls are the scum of the earth.
If all patents on electronics and software had a limit of three years, we would have a lot less trouble with patent trolling, while still giving inventors a bit of a leg up and some incentive to continue inventing.

After three years, most tech is outdated anyway.
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