The Samsung 840/840 Pro SSD thread - Page 2

BlaqkAudio · Dec 17, 2012, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gianlucadr

And what about Trim? All of you enabled Trim? What about the performance of the garbage collection? Is it better than the 830?

Seems like it's roughly the same as the 830 (at least on the 840). Although TRIM is kinda funky, as it doesn't fully restore write speed.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6337/s...50gb-review/11

paul-n · Dec 18, 2012, 01:40 AM

Samsung released a new Firmware for the 840 (Pro) Series last week.
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...t/MZ-7PD256BW?
Description This update addresses the following issues : 1. Improved ''''dirty drive'''' write performance.

Hexley · Dec 18, 2012, 03:08 AM

Do they have a Mac installer?

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul-n

Samsung released a new Firmware for the 840 (Pro) Series last week.
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...t/MZ-7PD256BW?
Description This update addresses the following issues : 1. Improved ''''dirty drive'''' write performance.

shmonkus · Dec 18, 2012, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hexley

Do they have a Mac installer?

Not at the moment but I have heard rumours of a mac installer in the next couple of months

gianlucadr · Dec 18, 2012, 07:38 AM

For 840 also http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...t/MZ-7TD250BW?
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...t/MZ-7TD500BW?

ugp · Dec 18, 2012, 07:46 AM

I just ordered a 840 Pro 512GB from NewEgg last night. Hopefully it comes with the new Firmware already installed as I don't have access to a Windows Machine to update the Firmware.

From what I was comparing on benchmarks the 840 Pro beats the Mercury Extreme 6G in a lot of cases.

What I am unsure of doing at this point is with my Crucial m4 256GB SSD.

I am currently running the Crucial and the Stock 750GB HDD in my MBP. I can't decide if I want to replace the 750GB HDD with the Crucial m4.

jomirrivera · Dec 18, 2012, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ugp

I just ordered a 840 Pro 512GB from NewEgg last night. Hopefully it comes with the new Firmware already installed as I don't have access to a Windows Machine to update the Firmware.

From what I was comparing on benchmarks the 840 Pro beats the Mercury Extreme 6G in a lot of cases.

What I am unsure of doing at this point is with my Crucial m4 256GB SSD.

I am currently running the Crucial and the Stock 750GB HDD in my MBP. I can't decide if I want to replace the 750GB HDD with the Crucial m4.

Do it and configure them in Raid = awesome speeds!

MikeSantor · Dec 18, 2012, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ugp

I just ordered a 840 Pro 512GB from NewEgg last night. Hopefully it comes with the new Firmware already installed as I don't have access to a Windows Machine to update the Firmware.

From what I was comparing on benchmarks the 840 Pro beats the Mercury Extreme 6G in a lot of cases.

What I am unsure of doing at this point is with my Crucial m4 256GB SSD.

I am currently running the Crucial and the Stock 750GB HDD in my MBP. I can't decide if I want to replace the 750GB HDD with the Crucial m4.

Do you know how to tell what firmware is on the SSD? I just got my 840 pro in from newegg yesterday. I could check and see and let you know what firmware it came with.

gianlucadr · Dec 18, 2012, 11:04 AM

3B0Q is the old one for PRO

ugp · Dec 18, 2012, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSantor

Do you know how to tell what firmware is on the SSD? I just got my 840 pro in from newegg yesterday. I could check and see and let you know what firmware it came with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gianlucadr

3B0Q is the old one for PRO

From what I read the old Firmware Bug was only in Pre-Release version of the drive and were not made available to the public. All Retail drives ship with a different Firmware and should be fine.

xxjudgmentxx · Dec 18, 2012, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ugp

From what I read the old Firmware Bug was only in Pre-Release version of the drive and were not made available to the public. All Retail drives ship with a different Firmware and should be fine.

^ This.

Confirmed by Anandtech.

ugp · Dec 19, 2012, 02:51 PM

Just got my Samsung 840 Pro today. Went with the 512GB Model. Drive is blazing fast with write speeds. Also upgraded to 16GB of RAM from OWC.

I decided to keep my old Crucial m4 256GB inside with the Data Doubler.

Benchmark Video i just uploaded to show off the speed.

Jann · Dec 19, 2012, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmonkus

I have a 256gb 840 pro, best purchase ever! I'm seeing 460mb/s write and 515mb/s read.

Also good news to hear that the issues that anandtech were seeing were as a result of an early firmware issue resolved with the release of the production firmware

Hi,

you went with samsung instead of waiting for the Intel 20nm SSDs that should be arriving....soon?

Thanks!

paul-n · Dec 20, 2012, 05:36 AM

There are some bootable Iso for download on
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...downloads.html
Just scroll down "Samsung SSD Firmware Updates for Mac Users"

shmonkus · Dec 20, 2012, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jann

Hi,

you went with samsung instead of waiting for the Intel 20nm SSDs that should be arriving....soon?

Thanks!

Yeah it was a personal choice, I got some flack from my colleagues but I stand by my choice

Not sure about 20nm yet, but we received a couple of intel 180gb ssd production units into our team this week, they look like they would comfortably fit in an rmbp but are destined for a couple of ultrabooks here. It's worth a look at the next gen intel ssd's but I doubt there will be much of a performance difference

shmonkus · Dec 20, 2012, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hexley

Do they have a Mac installer?

Found the quote - it was made by Kristian Vatto, the guy who reviews SSD's on the AnandTech website. Scroll down to the comments section, it's about halfway through page 2 of the comments:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6483/u...0-pro-failures

Hexley · 11:02 AM

shmonkus thanks!

$309.99 with free shipping via Adorama. If I could, I'd buy three of these for my 3 Macs.

Comes out as $0.62/GB with the 2nd lowest idle state power consumption.

500GB 2.5" Samsung 840 Internal Solid State Drive,
530MB/s Read and 330MB/s Write Speed
SKU: SSG7TD500BW
MFR: MZ-7TD500BW

qwerty123123 · Dec 20, 2012, 12:04 PM

could anyone tell me how to buy the samsung 840 pro 128gb in canada? newegg doesnt sell it, amazon doesnt sell it and i dont know where to find one from a reliable online store.

richnyc · Dec 20, 2012, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hexley

shmonkus thanks!

$309.99 with free shipping via Adorama. If I could, I'd buy three of these for my 3 Macs.

Comes out as $0.62/GB with the 2nd lowest idle state power consumption.

500GB 2.5" Samsung 840 Internal Solid State Drive,
530MB/s Read and 330MB/s Write Speed
SKU: SSG7TD500BW
MFR: MZ-7TD500BW

That's a GREAT price... The only time I've seen it cheaper was on Amazon during Cyber Monday sale, for $299.

Hexley · 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenashus1

Struggling a bit about Samsung 840 Pro 256gb vs. Samsung 840 500gb. I won't be doing anything intensive on the computer. The Pro is faster, but the 840 has more storage. Caught between the two. I seem inclined toward the more storage idea. What would you do?

I personally would go with the 500GB 840. My choices were initially the 840 Pro, OCZ Vector then was swayed to the M4 and now the 840.

500GB 840 at $310 is $0.62/GB. 256GB 840 Pro is $270 at $1.05/GB.

It has the 2nd lowest at-idle power consumption trailing the 840 Pro by a very narrow margin. This is important as your computer will be at-idle most of the time.

As you may have noticed people who owned a Crucial M4 upgraded to the 840. 512GB M4 is $385 at $0.75/GB while the 256GB M4 is $190 @ $0.74. If the 840 is not available in your area I'd get the M4.

If you are coming from any HDD any SSD will be faster. Any SSDs will consume less power than any HDD. This was how I was swayed to think that I will not notice the performance gap between the M4 and 840 Pro. I'm not saying the 840 Pro's not a worthy buy. If you want the best and you can buy the best then the 840 Pro's the way. I initially went for that didn't I??

Take note that we are a far a ways of saturating SATA 3Gb/s (300 MB/s) & SATA 6Gb/s (600 MB/s) write and read. So even if you got the top of the line SSD today you there will always be a drive in the future that will be faster for that particular SATA.

Now for the comparisons.

Included is a Hybrid Drive for comparison.

Write at SATA 6Gb/s (600 MB/s)
066.2MB/s - Seagate Momentus XT
314.1MB/s - 500GB 840
460.0MB/s - 256GB 840 Pro
262.8MB/s - 512GB M4
242.2MB/s - 256GB M4

Read at SATA 6Gb/s (600 MB/s)
076.3MB/s - Seagate Momentus XT
506.6MB/s - 500GB 840
515.0MB/s - 256GB 840 Pro
511.1MB/s - 512GB M4
472.0MB/s - 256GB M4

Source:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...46&postcount=9
http://forums.macrumors.com/attachme...9&d=1355702348
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...3&postcount=16

The 840 has 3 years warranty vs the 840 Pro's 5 years. I think of it this way. When the warranty expires after 3 years time SSDs will have double the capacity for half the prevailing price. So by then I can get a 1TB SSD for $155 at a write/read that may be better than a 840 Pro.

Alternatively 3 years from today you will be buying a whole new MBPro with Retina Display. Those comes standard with SSDs.

LAFUNGA · Dec 20, 2012, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul-n

There are some bootable Iso for download on
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...downloads.html
Just scroll down "Samsung SSD Firmware Updates for Mac Users"

Will this completely re configure your mac? as it says it is a perishable update meaning you will have to re install a back up afterwards. Do you know if it will leave your mac in a position to restore? as in it won't mess things up so much that you can't boot up?

Tenashus1 · 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hexley

I personally would go with the 500GB 840. My choices were initially the 840 Pro, OCZ Vector then was swayed to the M4 and now the 840.

500GB 840 at $310 is $0.62/GB. 256GB 840 Pro is $270 at $1.05/GB.

It has the 2nd lowest at-idle power consumption trailing the 840 Pro by a very narrow margin. This is important as your computer will be at-idle most of the time.

As you may have noticed people who owned a Crucial M4 upgraded to the 840. 512GB M4 is $385 at $0.75/GB while the 256GB M4 is $190 @ $0.74. If the 840 is not available in your area I'd get the M4.

If you are coming from any HDD any SSD will be faster. Any SSDs will consume less power than any HDD. This was how I was swayed to think that I will not notice the performance gap between the M4 and 840 Pro. I'm not saying the 840 Pro's not a worthy buy. If you want the best and you can buy the best then the 840 Pro's the way. I initially went for that didn't I??

Take note that we are a far a ways of saturating SATA 3Gb/s (300 MB/s) & SATA 6Gb/s (600 MB/s) write and read. So even if you got the top of the line SSD today you there will always be a drive in the future that will be faster for that particular SATA.

Now for the comparisons.

Included is a Hybrid Drive for comparison.

Write at SATA 6Gb/s (600 MB/s)
066.2MB/s - Seagate Momentus XT
314.1MB/s - 500GB 840
460.0MB/s - 256GB 840 Pro
262.8MB/s - 512GB M4
242.2MB/s - 256GB M4

Read at SATA 6Gb/s (600 MB/s)
076.3MB/s - Seagate Momentus XT
506.6MB/s - 500GB 840
515.0MB/s - 256GB 840 Pro
511.1MB/s - 512GB M4
472.0MB/s - 256GB M4

Source:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...46&postcount=9
http://forums.macrumors.com/attachme...9&d=1355702348
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...3&postcount=16

The 840 has 3 years warranty vs the 840 Pro's 5 years. I think of it this way. When the warranty expires after 3 years time SSDs will have double the capacity for half the prevailing price. So by then I can get a 1TB SSD for $155 at a write/read that may be better than a 840 Pro.

Alternatively 3 years from today you will be buying a whole new MBPro with Retina Display. Those comes standard with SSDs.

It's just that reliability issue that bugs me with the 840 vs. 840 Pro. I wish I could know better about that. You know what I mean? Some reviews say that reliability should not be an issue for the average consumer. Just not sure.

Hexley · 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenashus1

It's just that reliability issue that bugs me with the 840 vs. 840 Pro. I wish I could know better about that. You know what I mean?

That is what Time Machine is for.

Alternatively I have yet to read of any catastrophic failures on this forum or anywhere else.

And it's Samsung! Even Apple's using the older 830 on their Macs.

Jann · Dec 20, 2012, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shmonkus

Yeah it was a personal choice, I got some flack from my colleagues but I stand by my choice

Not sure about 20nm yet, but we received a couple of intel 180gb ssd production units into our team this week, they look like they would comfortably fit in an rmbp but are destined for a couple of ultrabooks here. It's worth a look at the next gen intel ssd's but I doubt there will be much of a performance difference

Dear shmonkus,

per your (and others here) recommendation:

Order Summary
Qty 1

SAMSUNG 840 Pro Series MZ-7PD256BW 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Item #: N82E16820147193

It is on its way.

THEREFORE: any issues, concerns, problems, spinning beach balls, missing assignments or unwelcome plots twists in "The Walking Dead", "Game of Thrones", and "Dexter" are hereby and forever due to this recommendation of yours, and I shall hold you to it.

Will be doing clean install tomorrow.....thank you!!

J

bill phillips · Dec 20, 2012, 07:17 PM

heres my samsung 840 pro ssd macbook pro 15 inch 2012, 2.3 mhz ml 10.8.2, 16 gb ram

Dec 18, 2012, 07:46 AM	#31
ugp macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Inverness, Florida	I just ordered a 840 Pro 512GB from NewEgg last night. Hopefully it comes with the new Firmware already installed as I don't have access to a Windows Machine to update the Firmware. From what I was comparing on benchmarks the 840 Pro beats the Mercury Extreme 6G in a lot of cases. What I am unsure of doing at this point is with my Crucial m4 256GB SSD. I am currently running the Crucial and the Stock 750GB HDD in my MBP. I can't decide if I want to replace the 750GB HDD with the Crucial m4. __________________ 15" MBP Mid-2012, 2.6 i7, 16GB, Samsung 840 Pro 512GB + Crucial M4 256GB, 1GB 650m iPhone 5 16GB Black 3rd Gen 32GB iPad White
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ugp macrumors 65816 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Inverness, Florida	Just got my Samsung 840 Pro today. Went with the 512GB Model. Drive is blazing fast with write speeds. Also upgraded to 16GB of RAM from OWC. I decided to keep my old Crucial m4 256GB inside with the Data Doubler. Benchmark Video i just uploaded to show off the speed. __________________ 15" MBP Mid-2012, 2.6 i7, 16GB, Samsung 840 Pro 512GB + Crucial M4 256GB, 1GB 650m iPhone 5 16GB Black 3rd Gen 32GB iPad White
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Hexley Thread Starter macrumors 6502a Join Date: Jun 2009	shmonkus thanks! $309.99 with free shipping via Adorama. If I could, I'd buy three of these for my 3 Macs. Comes out as $0.62/GB with the 2nd lowest idle state power consumption. 500GB 2.5" Samsung 840 Internal Solid State Drive, 530MB/s Read and 330MB/s Write Speed SKU: SSG7TD500BW MFR: MZ-7TD500BW Last edited by Hexley; Dec 20, 2012 at 11:02 AM.
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Dec 18, 2012, 01:40 AM	#27
paul-n macrumors member Join Date: Jul 2012	Samsung released a new Firmware for the 840 (Pro) Series last week. http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...t/MZ-7PD256BW? Description This update addresses the following issues : 1. Improved ''''dirty drive'''' write performance.
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Dec 18, 2012, 07:38 AM	#30
gianlucadr macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2012	For 840 also http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...t/MZ-7TD250BW? http://www.samsung.com/us/support/ow...t/MZ-7TD500BW?
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Dec 18, 2012, 11:04 AM	#34
gianlucadr macrumors newbie Join Date: Dec 2012	3B0Q is the old one for PRO
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Dec 20, 2012, 05:36 AM	#39
paul-n macrumors member Join Date: Jul 2012	There are some bootable Iso for download on http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...downloads.html Just scroll down "Samsung SSD Firmware Updates for Mac Users"
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Dec 20, 2012, 12:04 PM	#43
qwerty123123 macrumors newbie Join Date: Apr 2012	could anyone tell me how to buy the samsung 840 pro 128gb in canada? newegg doesnt sell it, amazon doesnt sell it and i dont know where to find one from a reliable online store.
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