Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Dec 19, 2012, 03:52 PM   #51
nagromme
macrumors G4
 
nagromme's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Don’t know if it’s true, but I can believe it—I don’t rely on transit daily, but if I did, Google’s web version was “just OK.” I’m sure a lot of people wanted a real transit app before going to iOS 6. Add in those people swayed by the media overhype.

Notice that Apple’s iOS 6 Maps app ALREADY links directly to the Google Maps app for transit. You’d almost think Apple wants the best experience for users, and that they’re not the lone bad guy in all this...

Just hit the L-shaped route button (not the car button) when viewing a location, and you get the same 3 choices of routing as always: car, walking, and transit. Of course, transit is no longer internal, so it suggests external apps to you. If you have Google Maps installed, it will be displayed with a big “Route” button. Tap it, and Apple’s Maps app passes the request seamlessly off to Google’s Maps app (or whatever transit app you prefer). Very nice.

Plus, this works around a key limit of Google’s maps: they want you giving your contacts to THEM, and they do not seem to use your iPhone’s own contacts as destinations. Want to get to a friend’s house (one in your device's contacts) by bus? Google’s app won’t do it—but find your friend in Apple’s Maps app and it will pass the destination off to Google. Problem solved.
nagromme is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 03:52 PM   #52
tbrinkma
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChazUK View Post
No it doesn't.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/20/g...rumpets-700-0/



For a spewing hater, you are very uneducated in the matter.
Not exactly. If you listen to the 'activation' numbers (total, and sustained average rate) quoted by Google, they don't match one another. Often times, even if you cite the *slower* rate of increase touted by Google from the prior period, and extrapolate from that date to the current 'activation' numbers, you end up with a number *larger* than the *new* total activation number.

An example, using arbitrary numbers to clarify what I described above:
Day N: 1,000,000 activations @ 10,000/day
Day N+100: 1,800,000 activations @ 15,000/day

(It would be 2,000,000 activations if it increased at 10,000/day
or 2,500,000 activations if it increased at 15,000/day.)

Since the two numbers don't usually mesh (often by a significant margin), and we don't actually know what *does* constitute an 'activation', I'd say you're going a bit overboard calling him a "spewing hater". He may have been wrong about a wipe and reinstall counting as an activation, but that doesn't explain the discrepancy we often see between the old numbers & the new numbers.
__________________
17" MBP (unibody), 2.66GHz i7, 8GB RAM, 750 GB HDD; iPhone 4s 64GB/Black
tbrinkma is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 03:53 PM   #53
vannibombonato
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Looks like incomplete data reading, to be soft:

1- Would like to have a look at the "before" google maps increase rate.
2- Would like to have a look at the number of new ios devices sold.

I'm using Google maps over Apple's and sure that some users may have waited before upgrading, but i highly doubt the mainstream consumer did.

Looks to me as like they are analyzing the numbers after making an hypothesis and making them square it, instead of the other way around.
vannibombonato is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 03:55 PM   #54
AAPL addict
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Don't forget about Apple sales in China last weekend.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nepalisherpa View Post
Could it be that more people are buying iPhone 5/new iPads (which come with iOS 6 to begin with) for holiday gifts?
I agree with the holiday purchases thought. I also agree with the Google Maps effect and also think China coming online with new Apple products last weekend added to this increase. If Apple sold more than 2 million iPhone 5's last weekend I wonder how many iPhone 4S and iPhone 4's they sold in China. It would not surprise me if more than 4 million Apple devices utilizing iOS 6 were sold in China alone this last weekend. If so, China alone added roughly 4% to the 17% iOS 6 user gain noted in the article.
AAPL addict is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 03:55 PM   #55
theBB
macrumors 68020
 
theBB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChazUK View Post
There was some information that each new device & user ID combination counted as an activation. In other words, if you bought a second hand device, it would still count as a new activation when you activate for your account. I don't know if Google closed that loophole later. I doubt it would make a big difference in the grand scheme though.
theBB is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 03:58 PM   #56
bbfc
macrumors 68000
 
bbfc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Gosforth, England
Not a fan of the new Google Maps app. Find it sluggish and very slow compared to Apple Maps. Maybe in a few updates time it will be better, but as of now, I find it pretty unusable.
__________________
MacBook Pro (Early 2011), 2.3 GHz Intel Core i5, 4GB RAM, OS X Mavericks, OS X Yosemite DP4 | iPhone 4S 16GB White, iOS 7.1.2
bbfc is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 03:59 PM   #57
theBB
macrumors 68020
 
theBB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by nepalisherpa View Post
Could it be that more people are buying iPhone 5/new iPads (which come with iOS 6 to begin with) for holiday gifts?
If the new devices in one week add up to such a large portion of the existing installed base, Apple will have a blockbuster quarter.
theBB is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:00 PM   #58
Carlanga
macrumors 601
 
Carlanga's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: PR
so why is this front page news when both "analysis" contradict so much w/ each other? Nothing can be taken from this post nothing.
__________________
☻ "A dream you dream alone is only a dream...
... A dream you dream together is reality." ☻
Carlanga is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:00 PM   #59
jclardy
macrumors 68020
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Hooray for misleading statistics!

Most people glancing over this are taking it as 29% more of the group of all iOS users adopting.

What it actually means is that 29% more adopted since the start date. The difference is that we don't have any information to discern what that actually means. The number of users adopting since a certain date is always growing, no matter what. If they released the same statistic from the week before we would have something to compare to, but still we should be comparing the actual rate of adoption, not the percentage of new users.

For all we know if we move the graph to the week before it could be 50% "Up."
__________________
Swift Fox Software | Amounts - Expense Tracker | Rocket Chimp | TargetTap Lite | TargetTap
jclardy is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:00 PM   #60
tokyojimu
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by slffl View Post
people didn't upgrade because of what other trolls and link bait bloggers said about Apple Maps, not because they actually used it. Sad.
I upgraded my now out-of-service 3GS to iOS 6 to try out the new Maps and it was horrible. Couldn't find most of the POIs I entered and only accepts perfectly-formed addresses. Not to mention lack of transit directions (and no third-party plugin worked well at all). So I held off on updating my current iPhone until after Google Maps was released.

Now I enter "Hotel Lafayette" in Apple's Maps and it takes me to some random hotel in Lafayette, Indiana, while Google takes me to the Lafayette Hotel, my intended destination. So I'm sticking with Google.
tokyojimu is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:02 PM   #61
theBB
macrumors 68020
 
theBB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by AAPL addict View Post
I agree with the holiday purchases thought. I also agree with the Google Maps effect and also think China coming online with new Apple products last weekend added to this increase. If Apple sold more than 2 million iPhone 5's last weekend I wonder how many iPhone 4S and iPhone 4's they sold in China. It would not surprise me if more than 4 million Apple devices utilizing iOS 6 were sold in China alone this last weekend. If so, China alone added roughly 4% to the 17% iOS 6 user gain noted in the article.
Prior versions usually do not sell at the same rate as Apple's new model. iPhone 5 may change this trend, as LTE is not available in many countries, making 4S seem like a reasonable trade-off. Still, I doubt 4 mil iOS6 devices could have been sold in China in 3 days if iPhone 5 sales are at 2mil.
theBB is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:05 PM   #62
Renzatic
macrumors 604
 
Renzatic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Who puts the washers in the woods?
Quote:
Originally Posted by LagunaSol View Post
4) Google Maps as a last resort, or if I need transit directions. (The constant badgering to log in is annoying. Hmm, I wonder why Google wants to associate where I drive with my Gmail account?)
What? It hasn't asked me to log in after I initially fired it up.

Oh wait. It's you. IT'S CUZ THEY'RE OUT TO GET YOU! Tell me this, people. Why does Google Maps want my location data? Why does Google's GPS service need to know where I am? It's so they can SELL MY INFORMATION!

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by bbfc View Post
Not a fan of the new Google Maps app. Find it sluggish and very slow compared to Apple Maps. Maybe in a few updates time it will be better, but as of now, I find it pretty unusable.
I wouldn't say unusable, but it is pretty slow and chunkity. One good thing I can say about Apple Maps is that the UI is easier to follow, and it's really quick.
Renzatic is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:09 PM   #63
LagunaSol
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Wait until Christmas day, when everyone opens their brand-new iOS 6 devices. Google Maps is really going to drive up iOS 6 numbers then!
LagunaSol is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:14 PM   #64
ChazUK
macrumors 603
 
ChazUK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Essex (UK)
Quote:
Originally Posted by theBB View Post
There was some information that each new device & user ID combination counted as an activation. In other words, if you bought a second hand device, it would still count as a new activation when you activate for your account. I don't know if Google closed that loophole later. I doubt it would make a big difference in the grand scheme though.
This is the first I've ever heard if this myself. There was lots of speculation and debate over what constituted an activation but it wasn't until Andy Rubin explained what they counted as an activation.

Traditionally we've had people refuting the numbers because of cheap Chinese handsets (which would never be counted without Android Market or Google Play pure installed on the devices.

Going beyond only Google's numbers, its likely there are more devices not connecting to Google services (like the Kindle fire for instance) which are not counted but those devices pose very littler value to Google.

I'd be interested in residing those articles or posts that explain about the same devices being counted as an activation multiple times if you can remember where you heard it (not doubting you at all, just genuinely curious if Google gave been manipulating the figures in the past). Its always interesting to read more in to potential shenanigans by these big corps to try to make themselves look like they're doing better than they actually are.
__________________
Windows 8 Desktop | HP Chromebook 11 | Moto G GPE | iPhone 4s | iPad Mini Retina | Nexus 7
ChazUK is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:21 PM   #65
swarmster
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by jclardy View Post
Hooray for misleading statistics!

Most people glancing over this are taking it as 29% more of the group of all iOS users adopting.

What it actually means is that 29% more adopted since the start date. The difference is that we don't have any information to discern what that actually means. The number of users adopting since a certain date is always growing, no matter what. If they released the same statistic from the week before we would have something to compare to, but still we should be comparing the actual rate of adoption, not the percentage of new users.

For all we know if we move the graph to the week before it could be 50% "Up."
Yeah, it's super vague about what "growth" means in this context, and how their >100% y-axis even relates to that (surely the user base did not grow by 100+% overnight every day).

But even on top of that, if you take "100%" to be all of their unique hits on Tuesday...the news is that there were "29%" more people using their devices on the weekend? Is that news?

Even under the large assumption that the conclusion in the headline is actually what's represented by the data, it does make for an interesting datapoint for 'how many people can be influenced to discount something sight-unseen just because the internet is a negative place', but not much else. I obviously can't speak internationally, but I've been loving Apple Maps since it launched. Even if you ignore the superior feature set and interface, at least in my area it's more accurate than Google. So this whole thing has been really amusing in that puzzling kind of way.
swarmster is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:44 PM   #66
r00fus
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: May 2009
Downloaded - have yet to use

I downloaded because I was notified about it on the rumor sites and figured I'd get it before I have to use it.

Except I haven't yet opened the App. I've since used iOS Maps quite a few times - mostly through Siri - "take me back home" or "directions to nearest cambodian restaurant", etc.

iOS Maps works fine for me, and the OS integration. I'm sure I'll check out GMaps at some point, but I'm part of the "downloaded" stat but I haven't used it.
r00fus is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:50 PM   #67
nepalisherpa
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: USA
Quote:
Originally Posted by theBB View Post
If the new devices in one week add up to such a large portion of the existing installed base, Apple will have a blockbuster quarter.
The survey does not specify that the numbers are US-only! While I agree that sales alone couldn't jump that high, I also disagree that Google Maps is the only cause here.
__________________
Macbook Air 11" 2013/i7/8GB RAM/250GB SSD
iPhone 5 32GB Black
nepalisherpa is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:50 PM   #68
ArtOfWarfare
macrumors 603
 
ArtOfWarfare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Send a message via Skype™ to ArtOfWarfare
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr McKay View Post
Yea that sucks, out of genuine curiosity what 4.0+ API's could you make use of if you decided to make an app that only supported that version and above?
4.0 mostly contains convenient utility methods.
3.0 added open accessory which makes it pretty easy to communicate between custom USB devices and Android apps (we have an in house app we wrote that allows Android tablets to plug into machinery and control it... We're trying to get the app ported to iOS but I'm not certain it's going to be possible.)
ArtOfWarfare is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:55 PM   #69
Lazlow
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Certainly not enough to verify any hypothesis (someone clearly didn't take a research methods class in college!), but I for one held off on upgrading until the app came out. As soon as I downloaded it, I tested it out on my morning commute, and then upgraded to iOS 6 immediately.

As soon as the upgrade was done, I replaced the default Maps icon on my first home screen with Google Maps and moved Apple Maps to my "Useless ****" folder on my last page :P
Lazlow is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 04:56 PM   #70
Cod3rror
macrumors 68000
 
Cod3rror's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by gmanist1000 View Post
Google needs to add:
  • Contacts integration!
  • Night mode
It needs more stuff...

Starred items don't show the name you've given them in the bookmarks, instead they are displayed as coordinates.

Cannot add an address to a contact. Cannot drop a pin and assign the address to a contact.

Cannot give a starred place a custom name.

No Compass lock, sometimes when pinching the map gets tilted by accident. I'd like an option to lock the compass.

Multiple pins drop - I'd like to be able to drop multiple pins on the map and route between them.

Route from - cannot do anything else but write in an address. I'd like to route my contact's address for example or pick a map point to route from.

Route drag, an ability to drag the navigational route, like it's possible on the desktop Google Maps website would be nice.
Cod3rror is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 05:15 PM   #71
Lindberg
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Houston, Tx
I updated to iOS6 the day after Google Maps was released...
Lindberg is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 05:16 PM   #72
Mistrblank
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Still not upgrading until I know this wifi **** is corrected. And no, I'm not talking about the bug that was just fixed on minis and iphone5s, I'm talking about the one that does a WHSPR check to apple.com/success.html and kills my connection every time I'm behind a corporate LAN and Websense returns a different page.
Mistrblank is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 05:20 PM   #73
genovelle
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: May 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by OriginalMacRat View Post
That's a LOT of savings when signing up for a 2yr minimum $1,920 contract!!
You are planning to have service right. I never understood this argument. If you don't plan to have a data plan why buy a smart phone?
genovelle is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 05:21 PM   #74
Rogifan
macrumors 604
 
Rogifan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
At the iPad mini event Tim Cook said after one month there were 200 million iOS devices running iOS 6. Does anyone know what % of total users available to upgrade that would be?
__________________
"I have a very optimistic view of individuals. As individuals, people are inherently good. I have a somewhat more pessimistic view of people in groups." -- Steve Jobs , Wired interview
Rogifan is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2012, 05:26 PM   #75
vannibombonato
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Are the dates by the way matching the 2-millions iphone5 china weekend?
vannibombonato is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Redesigned Google Maps App with iPad Support and Explore Feature Hits the App Store MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 197 Jul 22, 2013 08:18 PM
iOS 6 Adoption Uptick Due to iPhone 5 Release in China, Not Google Maps? MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 124 Mar 21, 2013 12:29 PM
iOS 6.1.2 Adoption Hits 35% in Less Than a Week MacRumors iOS Blog Discussion 29 Mar 14, 2013 11:25 AM
Google Maps for iOS Now Live in App Store MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 654 Dec 20, 2012 04:33 AM
Google says iOS Google Maps in App Store hopefully “before Christmas” snow755 iOS 6 0 Sep 21, 2012 07:25 AM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:42 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC