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Old Dec 20, 2012, 12:56 AM   #101
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The whole concept of multitouch and all the amazing things you could do with it has a long, storied history stretching back to at least the early 80's..
It seems you have watched to many SCI-FI movies. I like them too.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 01:12 AM   #102
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Apple did not invent pinch to zoom. Other companies did, Apple just copied it.
Well, you're correct in a sense -- Apple did not invent their multi-touch gesture technology. FingerWorks did. Apple bought them, and their patents, which was based on research done at the Univ. of Delaware in the late '90s.

I am generally not a fan of software patents, but I believe this work is both unique and innovative in its algorithms and implementation, and these patents should be upheld. How can Amazon's patent for "one-click shopping" stand and this cannot?
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 01:19 AM   #103
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There are hundreds of other ways to zoom in and out, but pinch to zoom is by far the best/coolest/most natural, and everyone else wants it. Apple nailed it, and no one else wants to settle for less.

When Apple showed it for the first time, people ooh'd, ahh'd, clapped, whistled, and cheered, because it was THAT good. It had a huge impact, and it took years before anyone else had an OS that could hold a candle to iOS.

Now, everyone who copied the original, and was late to the party, wants what Apple has. But they don't want to work for it. They just want it. They feel entitled to it. They could use sliders UI's, knob UI's, they could swipe, use a magnifying glass like Adobe, etc, but no, it has to be Apple's method, because it's established (by the iPhone) as the best.

Lame. People say they want competition, then bitch because they've got nothing to bring to the table. They want to compete by making iPhones, rebranding them, and then pitting them against the iPhone. There's no argument that justifies anything else. It's all BS.

Go to 33:40, and see it for the first time on any consumer device, ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s72uTrA5EDY
Good video. I like it at 46.30 as well.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 01:22 AM   #104
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It seems you have watched to many SCI-FI movies. I like them too.
Nope, he is right on the money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi_touch

Science fiction is the baloney Apple tries to sell about them inventing all of this stuff.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 01:24 AM   #105
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It seems you have watched to many SCI-FI movies. I like them too.
Why? He is right, multi touch technology has a long history
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 01:35 AM   #106
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Verified twice by two total strangers, people! You can't beat that kind of a reference!
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 01:53 AM   #107
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Well, you're correct in a sense -- Apple did not invent their multi-touch gesture technology. FingerWorks did. Apple bought them, and their patents, which was based on research done at the Univ. of Delaware in the late '90s.

I am generally not a fan of software patents, but I believe this work is both unique and innovative in its algorithms and implementation, and these patents should be upheld. How can Amazon's patent for "one-click shopping" stand and this cannot?
Mmm, no, the' 915 patent is not a Fingerworks patent
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 01:57 AM   #108
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Nope, he is right on the money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi_touch

Science fiction is the baloney Apple tries to sell about them inventing all of this stuff.
Students, please correct me if I am wrong, you are not allowed to quote Wikipedia on your research.

It is my understanding that anyone may post articles on Wikipedia, and there was a major corporation a while back rewriting articles to cover up or make an incident seem not as bad as it really was ?

How correct is Wikipedia ?
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 02:09 AM   #109
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If these patents are rejected now, why was it approved to begin with ?


And here i thought Apple was the first ones to come up with pinch-to-zoom....

Can't companies come up with anything anymore .....?

Just wait,, next year, we'll hear .. "The Macbook Pro is not our design either" We came up with the idea from <no name> site."

"Apple successfully used Patent No. '915 against Samsung in its court battle earlier this year, and 21 of 24 Samsung devices in the lawsuit were found to be infringing on the patent. "

Shoddy courts ?? If there was something wrong, why did Apple win ?

Unbelievable. Nothing is original now-days... Welcome to the 20th contrary.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 02:18 AM   #110
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Students, please correct me if I am wrong, you are not allowed to quote Wikipedia on your research.

It is my understanding that anyone may post articles on Wikipedia, and there was a major corporation a while back rewriting articles to cover up or make an incident seem not as bad as it really was ?

How correct is Wikipedia ?
Yeah, some guy just showed up one day and decided to fabricate 20 years of multitouch history on Wikipedia, complete with names, dates, and references, just because he was an apple hating fandroid.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 02:58 AM   #111
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Yeah, some guy just showed up one day and decided to fabricate 20 years of multitouch history on Wikipedia, complete with names, dates, and references, just because he was an apple hating fandroid.
OK, I confess, I wrote it all.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 03:02 AM   #112
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 03:26 AM   #113
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 03:28 AM   #114
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Frankly speaking, who cares about this patent issues?
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 03:30 AM   #115
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Yeah, some guy just showed up one day and decided to fabricate 20 years of multitouch history on Wikipedia, complete with names, dates, and references, just because he was an apple hating fandroid.
LOL'd so hard

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Old Dec 20, 2012, 03:32 AM   #116
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Students, please correct me if I am wrong, you are not allowed to quote Wikipedia on your research.

It is my understanding that anyone may post articles on Wikipedia, and there was a major corporation a while back rewriting articles to cover up or make an incident seem not as bad as it really was ?

How correct is Wikipedia ?
You can check their references. You can check references of those references. You can do the same thing with published materials. If the topic matters to you, it's not that big of an issue going through such things.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 05:07 AM   #117
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More than one thousand posts and you still write with this condescending tone?
It was a stupid way of trying to prove that Apple invented Pinch to Zoom? Should the poster be heralded as a genius instead?

Not everyone happily swallows the BS that came from Jobs and is coming from Cook. I like Apple computers as much as the next person, hence why I am on a site called Mac Rumors.

If you have a problem calling a spade a spade then that is your misfortune not mine.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 05:23 AM   #118
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Apple didn't invent pinch to zoom. See all the posts above. Apple is basically stealing credit for the work other companies did.
I agree, but I don't remember seeing this technology in the hands of millions of people before Apple either. They might not have created it, but it wasn't mainstream before Apple either. The TED video displaying multi touch several years earlier is proof of this too. Just saying Apple deserves some credit here.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 05:42 AM   #119
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I agree, but I don't remember seeing this technology in the hands of millions of people before Apple either. They might not have created it, but it wasn't mainstream before Apple either. The TED video displaying multi touch several years earlier is proof of this too. Just saying Apple deserves some credit here.
They deserve all the credit for making the function popular. Unfortunately for Apple making a function popular is not grounds for a patent. If that were how patents were granted, big corporations would wait for anything to be invented, steal the idea and make millions off of it. At least now when they steal your idea they either have to tweak it or buy it from you.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 06:09 AM   #120
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I am pleasantly surprised. Now they should make the next step and invalidate all the other trivial patents as well.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 06:17 AM   #121
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While this isn't the one I was originally talking about, this video from May 30th, 2007 shows off some of the tech I mentioned earlier. It's a usual dry and kinda boring MS presentation, but skip ahead to around the 4 minute mark. You see a lady playing with a bunch of photos, and it includes a form of pinch to zoom.
That was a cool video even Mr. Gates couldn't ruin the tech!

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A reenactment of the Samsung vs Apple trial ca. 1990

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM5_dgKDsrc

The kids in the hall obviously have a good case against both companies here. Or maybe not
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 06:28 AM   #122
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How can you patent something that was in Minority Report years prior?
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I am pleasantly surprised. Now they should make the next step and invalidate all the other trivial patents as well.

Except nothing has been invalidated, other than the accuracy of WSJ reporting (which is nothing new). The following may put it in a proper light--especially the likely identity of the "anonymous" objector:

"A 2011 law made it easier to challenge Apple's patents
By Philip Elmer-DeWitt December 20, 2012: 7:13 AM ET

The Leahy-Smith America Invents Act opened the door to more post-grant reviews

Samsung's court filing.
FORTUNE -- On Wednesday, Samsung informed a federal court -- and the Wall Street Journal dutifully reported -- that the U.S. Patent Office had "rejected" all claims of an Apple (AAPL) patent (the so-called "pinch to zoom" patent) that the Journal described as "a cornerstone of its case against Samsung."
Two weeks earlier, the Patent and Trademark Office had tentatively concluded that all 20 claims of a second Apple patent -- the so-called "rubber-banding" (or over-scroll bounce) patent -- were invalid.
From the headlines, you'd think that the foundations on which a jury awarded Apple $1.05 billion last August were crumbling.
The truth is a little more complicated.
Both rulings flow from substantial changes in U.S. patent law that Congress passed last year as part of the Leahy-Smith American Invents Act.
Key provisions of that act make it substantially easier to challenge a patent after it has been approved. For a filing fee of $17,750, anybody can anonymously demand that the Patent Office initiate a post-grant review on any invalidity ground -- including, according to the National Law Review, "prior art, lack of written description, or lack of enablement, but not failure to comply with the best mode requirement."
The new law makes it harder for the Patent Office to deny the review. Or, to put it the other way, easier to initiate a review -- which is what just happened in the case of pinch to zoom. A patent examiner is going to take another look at Apple's patent claims based on the new objections that were filed. That's not quite the same as "rejecting" or "invalidating" them, which is how the Journal described it.
In the case of the rubber-band patent -- A.K.A. the Steve Jobs patent -- the situation is more dire for Apple. The Patent Office initiated a reexamination procedure in October, which meant that the review process had passed its first bureaucratic hurdle. What happened two weeks ago is that the examiner announced that he had tentatively rejected all 20 of the patents claims. The burden now falls on Apple to defend those claims. The company may yet prevail, but Steve Jobs' patent has two strikes against it.
Bottom line: With the barriers lowered and so much riding on the validity of Apple's patents, we can expect more challenges in the future."
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Apple once was a very sympathetic company (at least to me), now they're just arrogant and all about money... So, when did Apple become Microsoft?
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Apple once was a very sympathetic company (at least to me), now they're just arrogant and all about money... So, when did Apple become Microsoft?
Bored of reading this tripe. The amount of people thinking Apple shouldn't be protecting themselves and let others just leach of their phones innovations is just amazing, it really is.
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