USPTO Preliminarily Rejects Apple's 'Pinch-to-Zoom' Patent - Page 6

onthecouchagain · 09:02 AM

Personally, I think the Android version of Google Maps' "tap, hold, slide" is a better method of zooming in and out. It allows one to zoom with one hand.

Wish they'd extend that feature to their Gallery and other apps...

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/19...gle-maps-6-12/

bbeagle · Dec 20, 2012, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MonkeySee....

Bored of reading this tripe. The amount of people thinking Apple shouldn't be protecting themselves and let others just leach of their phones innovations is just amazing, it really is.

There are way too many young kids who think Apple is Goliath and Microsoft is David, and it's always been that way.

There are also way too many young kids who think that if science fiction describes some gadget that this is prior art. *sigh*

Oletros · Dec 20, 2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bbeagle

There are also way too many young kids who think that if science fiction describes some gadget that this is prior art. *sigh*

Ups, perhaps the young kids are the ones that think that they can't count

HelveticaRoman · Dec 20, 2012, 07:36 AM

Who owns the patent on patenting?

conshok26 · Dec 20, 2012, 07:38 AM

instead of pinching I use a counterclockwise swirl.

leman · Dec 20, 2012, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PentAr

Apple once was a very sympathetic company (at least to me), now they're just arrogant and all about money... So, when did Apple become Microsoft?

As the matter of fact, Microsoft is trying really hard to become like Apple right now

Apple basic tactics didn't change for years.

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Originally Posted by mccldwll

Except nothing has been invalidated, other than the accuracy of WSJ reporting (which is nothing new). The following may put it in a proper light--especially the likely identity of the "anonymous" objector

Thank you for the clarifications!

Shasterball · Dec 20, 2012, 07:49 AM

The internet is awesome. You can make comments, form opinions, become emotional, etc... over stuff you know nothing about -- at all. No one does anymore independent research. Sad... I guess it's too much work to become informed before speaking...

Thunderhawks · Dec 20, 2012, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Konrad

I pinched her and she liked it.

Did you zoom in after that?

chagla · Dec 20, 2012, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by amptech

They're totally right.... I mean, I was using pinch-to-zoom on everything before 2006. My flip phone, my XP tablet, my mini-xp tablet, my Rio MP3 player. It was getting so old by the time iPhone came out. I hope they burn.

spare us the melodrama please and wake up to the facts. just because it wasn't widely used doesn't make apple the inventor.

Thunderhawks · Dec 20, 2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Calle68

Frankly speaking, who cares about this patent issues?

Couldn't agree more.

All our phones work. NEXT!

Kissaragi · Dec 20, 2012, 08:00 AM

Apple will still be in the history books as the company that bought pinch to zoom to the mass market. No one company should have a patent on something like this tho.

KnightWRX · Dec 20, 2012, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bbeagle

There are way too many young kids who think Apple is Goliath and Microsoft is David, and it's always been that way.

There are also way too many young kids who think that if science fiction describes some gadget that this is prior art. *sigh*

And there are plenty of old people who recognize the destructiveness of Software patent, no matter which corporation wields them (Google, Oracle, Microsoft, Apple, HP, name it).

And yes, "Science fiction" does count as prior art, because someone had to come up with the actual concept. Copying ideas from Rodenberry, Vernes, Kubrick and then applying for IP protection on the ideas from those guys is inane. You didn't come up with it, you read about it in a book.

MonkeySee.... · Dec 20, 2012, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by onthecouchagain

Personally, I think the Android version of Google Maps' "tap, hold, slide" is a better method of zooming in and out. It allows one to zoom with one hand.

Wish they'd extend that feature to their Gallery and other apps...

Who zooms with 2 hands?

dalbir4444 · Dec 20, 2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MonkeySee....

Who zooms with 2 hands?

He probably meant one finger.

GoCubsGo · Dec 20, 2012, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasterball

The internet is awesome. You can make comments, form opinions, become emotional, etc... over stuff you know nothing about -- at all. No one does anymore independent research. Sad... I guess it's too much work to become informed before speaking...

Which statement(s) are you finding lack merit?

As for the patent, I couldn't care less. Apple can't own the world, in spite of their best efforts.

MonkeySee.... · Dec 20, 2012, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dalbir4444

He probably meant one finger.

That would make sense

GoCubsGo · Dec 20, 2012, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MonkeySee....

That would make sense

Are we still talking about zooming?

bbeagle · Dec 20, 2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by KnightWRX

And yes, "Science fiction" does count as prior art, because someone had to come up with the actual concept.

Wrong.

From http://www.iusmentis.com/patents/priorart/

A requirement for a document to qualify as prior art is that it is enabling. In other words, the document must enable an average skilled person to practice the invention as claimed. A science-fiction novel might describe an invention without going into details. While this will describe the basic idea behind the invention, it does not enable the skilled person to construct the invention.

For example, the famous Star Trek TV series features the so-called "transporter", by which Starfleet personnel could be "beamed down" to the surface of the planet. However, no details were ever given on how the transporter was supposed to work, or how anyone could build it. If someone today were to invent a working matter transporter that operated in exactly the same way as in Star Trek, he would still be able to obtain a patent on it. The disclosure given in the TV series would not be sufficient to destroy novelty of the features of his transporter.

That does not mean that fiction cannot be used as prior art at all. If the fiction describes the invention in sufficient detail, it counts as prior art just like a technical publication would.

A famous example is the case of a method to recover sunken ships by filling them with buoyant bodies fed through a tube. According to a popular story (well, among patent attorneys anyway), the patent on this method was refused because it had already been described in a prior printed publication. Which document? The 1949 Donald Duck story The Sunken Yacht (by Carl Barks), which shows Donald and the nephews raising a ship by filling it with ping pong balls shoved through a tube. To read what is and is not true about this story, see The "Donald Duck as prior art" case.

Oletros · Dec 20, 2012, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MonkeySee....

Who zooms with 2 hands?

To zoom with pinch and zoom you need the two hands, one to hold the phone and the other to zoom.

MonkeySee.... · Dec 20, 2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Oletros

To zoom with pinch and zoom you need the two hands, one to hold the phone and the other to zoom.

What if the phones on a table or in a mount?

yeah, in you face.

KdParker · Dec 20, 2012, 08:47 AM

Did this really come out with the iPhone first?

Even if it did, seems to late to patent now.

charlituna · Dec 20, 2012, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertMartens

More than one thousand posts and you still write with this condescending tone?

And you reply to him, giving him the attention that trolls crave, instead of putting him on your ignore list and not quoting him so those of us that have already done so don't have to see what chose to ignore

Bubba Satori · Dec 20, 2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MonkeySee....

Who zooms with 2 hands?

Pee Wee Herman?

Rogifan · Dec 20, 2012, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RobertMartens

If MacRumors didn't run stories about Patents and Samsung what would be left?

Stories about people's near death experience using Apple maps?

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Originally Posted by Stridder44

When did this become such an Android fanboy forum?

Good question.

onthecouchagain · Dec 20, 2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MonkeySee....

Who zooms with 2 hands?

Pinch to zoom requires too hands? It's doable with one, but you risk balancing your device on only three fingers.

I'm aware of double tapping to zoom, but that gives little flexibility and control.

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/19...gle-maps-6-12/

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onthecouchagain macrumors 603 Join Date: Mar 2011	Personally, I think the Android version of Google Maps' "tap, hold, slide" is a better method of zooming in and out. It allows one to zoom with one hand. Wish they'd extend that feature to their Gallery and other apps... http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/19...gle-maps-6-12/ Last edited by onthecouchagain; Dec 20, 2012 at 09:02 AM.
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KdParker macrumors 68000 Join Date: Oct 2010	Strange Did this really come out with the iPhone first? Even if it did, seems to late to patent now. __________________ 16g iPhone5 Black ; 16g iPhone5 White; 15" retina - MBP 2.6 GHZ 16 RAM; iPad4 retina
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