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Old Jan 12, 2013, 10:19 AM   #101
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Helluva stupid way to prove a point.
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Old Jan 12, 2013, 11:15 AM   #102
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Speaking of "own worst enemies"...



No dad. Just ... no.

Hopefully he gets a long prison sentence, and no ability to legally buy guns again once he gets out.
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 09:27 AM   #103
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And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people. Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And hereís one: itís called Kindergarten Killers. Itís been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldnít or didnít want anyone to know you had found it?
By the way, have you seen the new NRA shooting game?

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/nra-...ign-mpt=uo%3D2
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Old Jan 14, 2013, 09:43 AM   #104
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By the way, have you seen the new NRA shooting game?
Hmmm.

Free ... but only rated only three-and-a-half stars.

Sounds like it sucks.

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Old Jan 15, 2013, 01:23 AM   #105
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Amending the constitution in this divided country will never again happen in my estimate. The bar is too high for it to pass.
Be thankful that calling a Constitutional convention is tough.

The call for sure would not be about expanding individual civil liberty. It would be about creating a system of partisan political expediency at the expense of civil liberty.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 01:29 AM   #106
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this includes no background checks, guns for mentally ill people, etc...some compromise is needed.
There only needs to be one rule -
You leave the weapon unsecured -
no different than giving kid the car keys to 500Hp Vette.

All it takes is common sense - not some Left Wing Commie attack.

We didn't have all these mental patient shootings 25 years ago -

It's time to get the Doctors front and center to find out how much longer are they going
keep these kids pickled to death as zombies or design the next disease cause and drug.
It's Total Fabricated BS.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 02:51 AM   #107
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There only needs to be one rule -
You leave the weapon unsecured -
no different than giving kid the car keys to 500Hp Vette.

All it takes is common sense - not some Left Wing Commie attack.

We didn't have all these mental patient shootings 25 years ago -

It's time to get the Doctors front and center to find out how much longer are they going
keep these kids pickled to death as zombies or design the next disease cause and drug.
It's Total Fabricated BS.
Sure its not "left wing commies" its "docter industrial complex" a vast conspiracy to what? Make money out of selling drugs for kids?

How easy is it to blame docters for something is clearly an issue INSIDE USA culture itself? Its the vast mayority of people propagating this, not some single group.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 03:24 AM   #108
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Sure its not "left wing commies" its "docter industrial complex" a vast conspiracy to what? Make money out of selling drugs for kids?

How easy is it to blame docters for something is clearly an issue INSIDE USA culture itself? Its the vast mayority of people propagating this, not some single group.
First of All - One has to have the power to write the drug of use - now take it from there .

I've seen the Zombie Kids - they roam within the Household - with no reality that I just showed up -
Their own parents have no idea - being they see the kid every hour -

Can you tell everyday how long hair grew to notice?
No you can not - but the person who comes along a month later is shocked by the change.

You don't need AK weapons - just a shotgun - auto load - could rip a car apart in seconds.

If this family had unsecure weapons in a cabinet - the entire neighborhood would be at risk.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 03:41 AM   #109
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First off I agree that the problem with firearms violence in the USA has multiple causes.

But gun owners and NRA members if this board is anything to go by, need to take a deep breath and start sounding like rational people.
Mental health issues are a big source of concern when combined with firearms.
Letting people like James Yeager and Alex Jones speak for you, will damage your case that you are competent gun owners.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 03:43 AM   #110
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We didn't have all these mental patient shootings 25 years ago -
Look back a little further

Charles Whitman, Texas University 1966; he wounded 32 and killed 14 using bolt action rifles.

Let me repeat, Charles Whitman, using low capacity bolt action weapons killed 14 people with what some no-nothing leftist moron would call an acceptable hunting gun until some crazy person shoots some kids then suddenly its a deadly sniper rifle that needs to be banned.

Statist authoritarians are masterful incrementalists, but they aren't exactly smart, but they do consider themselves enlightened...
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 04:00 AM   #111
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Look back a little further

Charles Whitman, Texas University 1966; he wounded 32 and killed 14 using bolt action rifles.
Never needed to search - I was fully aware of the case as it happened.
Again - less than a handful if you include the mass killing at the Olympics about the same period.

ONe was going to happen regardless - just as it did for JFK the day I was in school.

But as we speak - how many Blk kids were just gunned down in drive-by?
They all have the neighborhood cry events and do nothing as if they care.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 04:18 AM   #112
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music that Eminem makes about torturing women is surely not making the issue any better.
There's not one Blk Rap crap out there that isn't the lowest of life by the hundreds of artists - Eminem? -
He purposely fought back at the Blk rappers for their crap.
It almost ended up a gun fight.
Im in the 50 something crew - the blame surely doesn't follow him 1/100 compared.
Pink Floyd to Kid Rock - the folder follows this style.

The few times I played Grand Theft Auto - maybe 10 years ago-
I got great pleasure of walking up to Pimps & knocking them out before the cops came.
Other than that - the Pizza punk on the scooter used to piss me off every time.
I'd run that creep over 40 times, full throttle into light poles - he still got away.

If you waited around to get caught - the cops riddled you in a second.
You better grab their car if you want a 3 minute escape.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 07:28 AM   #113
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First of All - One has to have the power to write the drug of use - now take it from there .

I've seen the Zombie Kids - they roam within the Household - with no reality that I just showed up -
Their own parents have no idea - being they see the kid every hour -

Can you tell everyday how long hair grew to notice?
No you can not - but the person who comes along a month later is shocked by the change.

You don't need AK weapons - just a shotgun - auto load - could rip a car apart in seconds.

If this family had unsecure weapons in a cabinet - the entire neighborhood would be at risk.
Same excuses to put the blame elsewhere. You are simply piling on top with this nonsense docters actually dont care about the patients they treat, on the contrary they wilfully harm children just to sell drugs .

Its this paranoia thats all troughout USA society that is part of the problem.
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Old Jan 15, 2013, 07:41 AM   #114
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Same excuses to put the blame elsewhere. You are simply piling on top with this nonsense docters actually dont care about the patients they treat, on the contrary they wilfully harm children just to sell drugs .

Its this paranoia thats all troughout USA society that is part of the problem.
Simply Review every case - there is no paranoia - only the far left is ringing that bell - to believe that nonsense - is true paranoia.

Soon as the true cause is put into every ones face on a White board to follow along - with 1- 100 cases and the condition of the person - some might just get a freakin clue.
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Simply Review every case - there is no paranoia - only the far left is ringing that bell - to believe that nonsense - is true paranoia.
And in the very very very vast mayority you see docters actually trying to help patients on the basis of what they know. How can this be an issue?



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Soon as the true cause is put into every ones face on a White board to follow along - with 1- 100 cases and the condition of the person - some might just get a freakin clue.
And what would that clue be?
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Old Jan 16, 2013, 11:07 AM   #116
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Seems the only mass shootings that end only when the shooter has had enough are the ones in gun free zones... need me to post some of those numbers for you?
If gun free zones are so bad, why does the NRA ban guns from their press conferences? Why are guns banned from gun shows? Why were guns banned from the Republican National Convention?
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If gun free zones are so bad, why does the NRA ban guns from their press conferences? Why are guns banned from gun shows? Why were guns banned from the Republican National Convention?
NRA press conferences - The ones that take place in D.C., because D.C. doesn't allow concealed or open carry.

Gun shows - It depends on the show. Most do not allow concealed or open carry due to insurance regulations. It also depends on the venue, and if the venue allows concealed or open carry.

Republican National Convention - Silly that you ask. Both party conventions are designated as National Security Events. Homeland Security and Secret Service ran security efforts. The Mayor of Tampa requested the Governor designate the area a gun free zone during the convention.
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NRA press conferences - The ones that take place in D.C., because D.C. doesn't allow concealed or open carry.

Gun shows - It depends on the show. Most do not allow concealed or open carry due to insurance regulations. It also depends on the venue, and if the venue allows concealed or open carry.

Republican National Convention - Silly that you ask. Both party conventions are designated as National Security Events. Homeland Security and Secret Service ran security efforts. The Mayor of Tampa requested the Governor designate the area a gun free zone during the convention.
I guess there are good reasons why guns aren't allowed in certain places, like the NRA HQ in Virginia.
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I guess there are good reasons why guns aren't allowed in certain places, like the NRA HQ in Virginia.
I know where they are based. I thought the last conference was in D.C.?

What smart ass comment do you have for the other two venues?
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I know where they are based. I thought the last conference was in D.C.?

What smart ass comment do you have for the other two venues?

According to this article, insurance had nothing to do with it. Just seems kind of hypocritical to me. Why wouldn't the NRA allow guns in the HQ? After all, only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun, right?

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...n-show-safety/
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According to this article, insurance had nothing to do with it. Just seems kind of hypocritical to me. Why wouldn't the NRA allow guns in the HQ? After all, only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun, right?

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...n-show-safety/
I didn't say all gun shows did I? Again, it depends on the venue.
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3) Gun owners are unwilling to compromise. I and a few other recognize the need for background checks, no sales to people with a history of violence or diagnosed mental illness, and maybe even mandatory training and safety courses for first time gun buyers. However many more feel that the Second Amendment should have no limitations, this includes no background checks, guns for mentally ill people, etc...some compromise is needed.
I'm willing to compromise, personally.

As long as banning handguns, semi auto rifles of any kind, and high cap are off the table.
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I'm willing to compromise, personally.

As long as banning handguns, semi auto rifles of any kind, and high cap are off the table.
So, you're willing to compromise but you're not willing to compromise?
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So, you're willing to compromise but you're not willing to compromise?
Yeah, definitely. Stop gun shows from selling without background checks, require CCW to do semi annual training, restrictions on criminals and mentally ill.

See, it's funny because you want to point out that I won't compromise, yet you're also unwilling to compromise because you want those things to be banned.

So when you claim that I won't compromise, it goes right back to you being unwilling to compromise also, and then it goes further to you initiating force and your opinion on me and my desire to own something that doesn't affect you.
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Yeah, definitely. Stop gun shows from selling without background checks, require CCW to do semi annual training, restrictions on criminals and mentally ill.

See, it's funny because you want to point out that I won't compromise, yet you're also unwilling to compromise because you want those things to be banned.

So when you claim that I won't compromise, it goes right back to you being unwilling to compromise also, and then it goes further to you initiating force and your opinion on me and my desire to own something that doesn't affect you.
Where did I say any of this? Stop trying to put words in my mouth. I'm just pointing out that you say you're willing to compromise but you can't really compromise if you take the majority of the other side's positions off the table before you even start.
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