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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:23 AM   #26
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What would you have liked to make them say?
Something where "sept-nov period" is not considered an actual term ever used before in the history of man. This is two oddly-picked periods of time, likely to justify making an article about it. It's not so much the analysis of statistics you use, it's what is used, and what is omitted.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:23 AM   #27
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Thank you for repeating him.
You're welcome. Only 1/2 my comment was repeating him. The other was a statement. Do you agree or disagree with his statement?
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:24 AM   #28
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What the heck is Bada and why is it even tracked?
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:26 AM   #29
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Something where "sept-nov period" is not considered an actual term ever used before in the history of man. This is two oddly-picked periods of time, likely to justify making an article about it. It's not so much the analysis of statistics you use, it's what is used, and what is omitted.
maybe the wording could be better, but all it is a rolling 12-week (one quarter) snapshot of sales... the 'rolling 12-week' is a common stat (in this case it's compared y/y)
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:27 AM   #30
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The difference between US and Europe can be addressed to subsidizing, I think in Europe the price difference between iPhone and high-end devices from competitors is >€200,- while in the US it's no more than $100 (€80). Give or take.

For Apple's sake, I hope this subsidizing will continue forever, because this model is the main reason iPhone devices are more popular than Android devices.

Nevertheless, extremely impressive results, because the previous year was the first Android devices really caught up with the iPhone, but still the iPhone sales are way stronger. Really impressive.
actually u can get the iPhone 5 for 1€ here in Germany at least
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:31 AM   #31
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Gained nearly 20% of the market share in the last year... Wow.
Not really surprising...anyone with an ounce of common sense knows that Apple is not in the majority of sand boxes yet out there on the planet. As they continue to move into them, that % will continue to skyrocket up.

As we like to say, Android and iOs are not on the same playing the same game still...when they both are on all the exact same carriers, only then can you get true #s
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:32 AM   #32
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Wow, Microsoft actually gained market share. I think that's a first since the release of Windows Phone 2+ years ago.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:32 AM   #33
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Something where "sept-nov period" is not considered an actual term ever used before in the history of man. This is two oddly-picked periods of time, likely to justify making an article about it. It's not so much the analysis of statistics you use, it's what is used, and what is omitted.
Okay. It's three months that include a bad month for Apple (September). I would think that the December quarter will look similar or even better for Apple.

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Your welcome. Only 1/2 my comment was repeating him. The other was a statement. Do you agree or disagree with his statement?
I agree with his statement. I was asking about his implication. See the reasonable response above.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:33 AM   #34
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actually u can get the iPhone 5 for 1€ here in Germany at least
I can get the iPhone for 150€ but instead of paying 7,5€ a month including unlimited calls, sms and 300mb of internet (calls and sms under the same network, but the only network that isn't crap is vodafone so almost everybody is vodafone), I would be paying like 100€ for unlimited calls, sms and internet (sms and calls to all networks). And I would get stuck in a 2 year contract.

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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:33 AM   #35
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The difference between US and Europe can be addressed to subsidizing, I think in Europe the price difference between iPhone and high-end devices from competitors is >€200,- while in the US it's no more than $100 (€80). Give or take.

For Apple's sake, I hope this subsidizing will continue forever, because this model is the main reason iPhone devices are more popular than Android devices.

Nevertheless, extremely impressive results, because the previous year was the first Android devices really caught up with the iPhone, but still the iPhone sales are way stronger. Really impressive.
If the subsidized model goes away, all phone prices will go up. I mean its still the whole would you buy a SGS3 for $600 or the iPhone 5 for $650...is $50 going to stop someone from buying an Apple device? For me and many others ...nope.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:34 AM   #37
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Wow, Microsoft actually gained market share. I think that's a first since the release of Windows Phone 2+ years ago.
MS is fighting for 2nd place. I think as they refine the Surface and WP, they will move into 2nd place over Android. Android is just way too fragmented.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:34 AM   #38
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The difference between US and Europe can be addressed to subsidizing, I think in Europe the price difference between iPhone and high-end devices from competitors is >€200,- while in the US it's no more than $100 (€80). Give or take.

For Apple's sake, I hope this subsidizing will continue forever, because this model is the main reason iPhone devices are more popular than Android devices.

Nevertheless, extremely impressive results, because the previous year was the first Android devices really caught up with the iPhone, but still the iPhone sales are way stronger. Really impressive.
You could also argue that the reasoning is because in the US the iPhone is offered by almost all major carriers. Worldwide, the iPhone is on less then half the carriers Android phones are offered on.
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25% of Europe is really really impressive!
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:35 AM   #40
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maybe the wording could be better
My point is that statistical analysis always has that caveat. But not by accident, they are very carefully wording it to trick people into believing what they want.

According to commercials, the #1 TV show is on:
Fox
NBC
CBS
ABC

I'm sure the list is much longer, but I no longer pay for cable/sat to see more commercials.
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My point is that statistical analysis always has that caveat. But not by accident, they are very carefully wording it to trick people into believing what they want.

According to commercials, the #1 TV show is on:
Fox
NBC
CBS
ABC

I'm sure the list is much longer, but I no longer pay for cable/sat to see more commercials.
Sure, but there was no word play here. It is a 3-month US market share estimate. Or am I missing something?
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:38 AM   #42
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My point is that statistical analysis always has that caveat. But not by accident, they are very carefully wording it to trick people into believing what they want.

According to commercials, the #1 TV show is on:
Fox
NBC
CBS
ABC

I'm sure the list is much longer, but I no longer pay for cable/sat to see more commercials.
Similar to how all of the carriers in the US have the largest 4G network.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:38 AM   #43
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25% of Europe is really really impressive!
It really is considering how little carriers the iPhone is offered on over there.

I would like to see a % across the world where it's only carriers that offer both the iPhone and Android to see what the true #s are.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:39 AM   #44
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MS is fighting for 2nd place. I think as they refine the Surface and WP, they will move into 2nd place over Android. Android is just way too fragmented.
They have a looooong way to go. They didn't help their case by alienating buyers of the original Lumia and other devices that are unable to upgrade to WP 8.
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It really is considering how little carriers the iPhone is offered on over there.

I would like to see a % across the world where it's only carriers that offer both the iPhone and Android to see what the true #s are.
Little carriers in Spain, Germany, Italy, France or UK?
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:41 AM   #47
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Okay. It's three months that include a bad month for Apple (September). I would think that the December quarter will look similar or even better for Apple.

I agree with his statement. I was asking about his implication. See the reasonable response above.
I would just prefer to see all the stats and make my own judgements/analysis. But then, numbers don't scare me.

I realize this would make for poor advertising or news.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 10:42 AM   #48
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That is the problem in Europe is that the iPhone is crazy expensive. I can buy an iPad and an relatively cheap phone and it still doesn't cost as much as an iPhone.
Most of the people that have iPhones the company for who they work for is paying for them.
Agreed. iPhones are crazy expensive in Western Europe... but, as they have basically the same prices in Poland (mid-east Europe), means they are "are u ******* nuts?" expensive here [And even more so when buying from cellular carriers that sell iPhones with absurdly expensive contracts compared to UK for example]. But I guess that's the price of being a 2nd world country - you have Western European prices and Eastern European wages
Anyways, dueo to pricing iPhones are limited in availability to well paid professionals and to... business owners. The latter often buy iPhones with their contracts to sell them later at auctions - while their stick with their old Nokias, which are more sensible I guess, being that they're cheap and having long battery lives.
And thank god for that I got my 64GB 4S from such a gentleman, who bought two of those "for" his business and sold them at an auction - all in all I paid 1/3 less for my 64GB 4S that I would've paid for 16GB version at Apple or anywhere else.
So it's nice that Apple gains marketshare and so on - I like their products, but I'm never going to buy at Apple Polish online store or from their resellers in my country - I just don't like to be mugged
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I know most of you don't like the idea, but the iphone would have even more market share in the usa if they offered a 5" or bigger phone along with the existing 4" phone. I'd get one.
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So how many phones are we counting here? Surely this is including all iPhones, but when was the last time you saw an iPhone 2G in the wild? Let's just say iPhone 3GS and after; that's four phones running iOS against the tons and tons that run Android.
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