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Old Dec 29, 2012, 06:51 AM   #1
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Obama orders federal pay freeze lifted, $1,000,000,000 in increases next year

This President never ceases to astound me. This is not a man committed to fiscal responsibility, and here he proves it again..

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...rs_692223.html

As a token, everyone in Congress and Biden should immediately donate their pay increase back to the IRS in a voluntary contribution.

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Old Dec 29, 2012, 06:58 AM   #2
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What a bone head move. What the **** are these guys thinking? While it's only a of 1% or about $1 billion a year, this just sends the wrong message from this administration.

By the way Mr. Witt, a billion has 9 zeroes.
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 07:47 AM   #3
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Wow. This is ridiculous. I fully disagree with this move. But since we're on the topic, what other fiscally irresponsible things has Obama done to piss you off? I think he has a pretty solid fiscal record, especially when compared to our former president.

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Old Dec 29, 2012, 09:22 AM   #4
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This President never ceases to astound me. This is not a man committed to fiscal responsibility, and here he proves it again..

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...rs_692223.html

As a token, everyone in Congress and Biden should immediately donate their pay increase back to the IRS in a voluntary contribution.
But Congress was not effected by the pay freeze. They get a raise every year unless they vote against it.
Also pay freezes are not good in general. First it means you are effectively giving a pay cut to the people every year. Also now employee can not earn raises for work and so on.
Pay freezes causes you to loose employees and it cost a lot more to train new ones than deal with the raises.
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 09:31 AM   #5
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But Congress was not effected by the pay freeze. They get a raise every year unless they vote against it.
Also pay freezes are not good in general. First it means you are effectively giving a pay cut to the people every year. Also now employee can not earn raises for work and so on.
Pay freezes causes you to loose employees and it cost a lot more to train new ones than deal with the raises.

Is there nothing you will criticize Obama for?

I'm sure all those politicians and judges would seek employment elsewhere without this raise.

And did you even read the article? Senators and Congressmen are listed on the Executive Order.

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Old Dec 29, 2012, 10:03 AM   #6
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WOW !!

A 0.5% pay-rise !! When inflation is at what ??

Those squeezy scumbags are really milking you all
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 10:15 AM   #7
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Didn't Obama extend the pay freeze several months ago for another two years? Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but is there another source for this?
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 11:14 AM   #8
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WOW !!

A 0.5% pay-rise !! When inflation is at what ??

Those squeezy scumbags are really milking you all

The amount of money is not the point. The point is we are having a knock down, drag out fight over tax rates and spending cuts and a raise is given to workers making big bucks. Not to mention how this will only antagonize the Republicans.
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 11:27 AM   #9
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A pay raise the doesn't even keep up with the inflation rate.

Governing a nation costs money.

Try not to be too shocked about it.
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 11:30 AM   #10
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... and a raise is given to workers making big bucks.
Is it really ? Cos those who were listed on that article will hardly get 1 billion $ over a 0.5% increase .... we would be talking bout 200 billion in combined paychecks (before the raise) so I wonder how far the line does this raise go ? Or is that 1 billion number just made up ?
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 11:39 AM   #11
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Is it really ? Cos those who were listed on that article will hardly get 1 billion $ over a 0.5% increase .... we would be talking bout 200 billion in combined paychecks (before the raise) so I wonder how far the line does this raise go ? Or is that 1 billion number just made up ?
How many senators are there again?

There are a lot of federal workers, not just elected officials.
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Thats the point I was trying to make

For me it seems that this will affect far more people than senators or jigh-ranking federal judges, but a lot of ordinary people making medicore wages that haven't kept up with inflation due to that pay freeze.
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Thats the point I was trying to make

For me it seems that this will affect far more people than senators or jigh-ranking federal judges, but a lot of ordinary people making medicore wages that haven't kept up with inflation due to that pay freeze.
Fair enough.

This also could be a ploy to get more taxes by giving them raises. It just doesn't look good seeing someone in government get a pay raise while we are about to go over the cliff.
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Isn't this for ALL federal workers and not just the VP/Congress/judges?

Assuming that, I fail to see a problem here. There are hundreds of federal workers who are making nowhere near what these Congressmen & such have been making but their wages have been frozen too.

You can't keep them frozen forever while the costs of goods and living continue to increase. Wages have to at least increase with inflation.


This is just more anti-Obama whining. I swear if people actually focused on trying to fix the problems instead of whining and blaming Obama for every problem they've ever had in their lives maybe we could finally fix some of our problems.

Doubtful though, this is America where everyone likes to blame anyone but themselves and expects everyone else to work for free even though they can never have enough money.
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The amount of money is not the point. The point is we are having a knock down, drag out fight over tax rates and spending cuts and a raise is given to workers making big bucks. Not to mention how this will only antagonize the Republicans.
Get back to me when the Republicans are willing to talk about cutting the defense budget.
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Get back to me when the Republicans are willing to talk about cutting the defense budget.
No one side is without blame in this. Obama could easily pull us out of these wars, so he is just as much to blame.
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Old Dec 29, 2012, 02:16 PM   #17
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Is there nothing you will criticize Obama for?

I'm sure all those politicians and judges would seek employment elsewhere without this raise.

And did you even read the article? Senators and Congressmen are listed on the Executive Order.

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I know I have on these forums multiple on being critcal of Obama.

As for Senators and congressmen I have felt for a long time they are grossly over paid. Also I might like to point out those right wing wing nuts you oh so much love were the same group that refused to vote on a bill that would of had their pay cut during the government shut down and I am willing to bet that those same people would also refuse to vote to cut their own pay.
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As for Senators and congressmen I have felt for a long time they are grossly over paid.
If you want people to do it properly its a damn hard job. The Senators for California represent 15 million people or so.
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If you want people to do it properly its a damn hard job. The Senators for California represent 15 million people or so.
Ya taking money from lobbyists sure sounds difficult.
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Ya taking money from lobbyists sure sounds difficult.
If you don't want them to do that then you have to pay them properly directly.
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If you don't want them to do that then you have to pay them properly directly.
They are elected public servants, they are not there to get rich they are there to represent us.
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They are elected public servants, they are not there to get rich they are there to represent us.
Then you won't get anyone good and non-corrupt who isn't a total idealist.

And realistically idealists aren't great - look at the Republicans who won't compromise.
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Then you won't get anyone good and non-corrupt who isn't a total idealist.

And realistically idealists aren't great - look at the Republicans who won't compromise.
I would love to see these people get out of the spotlight and photo ops and actually do right for the country. I dont care what their base wants, 30% of the country is not the majority. These people should be thinking down the middle and coming together on a long term plan. I blame the Democrats, Republicans and administration for all pointing fingers and playing the blame game. They need to get their head out of their asses and get to work.
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If you want people to do it properly its a damn hard job. The Senators for California represent 15 million people or so.
But that would require them doing there job. Clearly they are not
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