Go Back   MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:15 PM   #126
hayesk
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: May 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by blueroom View Post
I never understood the kiddies who could afford an iPhone but couldn't afford $1 apps. Guess they'll flock to Android and crush that platforms app programmers.
They forget to ask for an iTunes gift card along with their iDevice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xgm541 View Post
Exactly what I was thinking. Time and time again I have paid money for apps that look good but are ultimate crap. And it is almost impossible to get a refund.
True, but how much money have you lost. If you buy a $3 app that you really like, be honest; it's worth much more than $3 to you. So take that into consideration with the money you "lost" on bad apps, and you'll probably come out ahead.

That said, I agree that demo versions would be really nice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pubwvj View Post
I fail to understand why this is such a problem. I am a developer. I write software. So I have a bit of knowledge in this area. It is easy to implement protection against pirated software especially on server based games and the like. The fact that these developers like Hunted Cow choose not to do so is strange.
Lots of app don't, and shouldn't, have a server component.

Quote:
Originally Posted by freeskier989 View Post
I pirate apps. I pirate music. I pirate software. I pirate just about anything i can. I have not bought Adobe Creative Suite ever and have had just about every version. For free. I have a massive library of music. All for free. I download the latest movies, sometimes still in the theater. For free.

Sorry, but its a dog eat dog world, survival of the fittest. If you don't want people stealing your software, build in better protection.
Maybe one day you'll work hard at a job and your boss decides not to pay you. Maybe then you'll understand the value of rewarding someone for hard work.

Last edited by dejo; Dec 31, 2012 at 01:21 PM. Reason: Quoted post edited / response edited.
hayesk is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:15 PM   #127
akbarali.ch
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Mumbai (India)
as someone said the reason for piracy is diverting more towards pirating apps than getting features enabled as in the earlier case.

i think if we had some sort of trial for apps it would help reduce the piracy a bit. There are lot of apps that i want to download but not sure whether they are worth it. most of the non games apps that i paid for only to realize that the free'er ones are better and ended up deleting the paid ones.
__________________
iMac 21.5" i5 2.9GHz 2012; iphone 4S 16GB white; iPad Air Space Grey 16GB Cellular; iPhone 3GS 16GB; iPhone 3GS 8GB; Time Capsule 3TB
akbarali.ch is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:16 PM   #128
Jibbajabba
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by philr5150 View Post
Funny to read all the righteous-ness and "holier than thou" attitudes on here, all the people bashing piracy - of course, none of you have EVER had an app without paying (on any platform), watched a pirated movie or downloaded/listened to pirated music. No way, never. Right?

I don't advocate piracy. I have no desire to install pirated apps - however apps that are $2.99 or $3.99 then turn out to be crap, suck. At least Android Play gives you the chance to get a refund.

Jailbreaking has legit uses, people should remember that (holier-than-thou'ers). Also, remember, as long as people produce software, there will be piracy. It is impossible to stop if your target is consumers. Music, DVD, movies, games, apps, NOTHING is un-pirateable. If a user can access a device, it can be hacked. Period.
Actually I did pirate apps 'back in the days' but never for ios. But as pirating required JB, I never bothered. And yes, testing was the only reason I even considered it. Incredible how many so called #1 apps turn out to be *****. I prefer Googles refund policy - you got 15 minutes after purchasing the app to uninstall it again to get a refund. Plenty of time to test an app.
Jibbajabba is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:16 PM   #129
Furifo
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigjnyc View Post
That does suck, I usually avoid this since I am very picky and only buy apps that are essential and that I know I'll use regularly. I have very few apps compared to most people... But I have gotten burned a few times by crappy apps. The price is low enough that you can live with it I guess.
This.

This is why I feel that Apple should incorporate, into the App Store, some way of letting developers offer a trial version of their App (10 days/14 days/30 days etc).

Either that or at least make refunding apps within a set time period (15 minutes/20 minutes/60 minutes) available directly through the App Store.
Furifo is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:17 PM   #130
ctdonath
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by i-John View Post
It shut down because of stagnation, because the vast majority of people would rather give the developers their due.
The core act of piracy is not trivial, requiring cleverness and intelligence and effort and resources which, one eventually finds, equates to producing something meaningful people are in fact willing to pay for. Since piracy clients are unwilling to give piracy developers their due (such as it may be), the piracy developers can't keep up and find sustenance elsewhere, leaving their clients little choice but to join the aforementioned vast majority or fall out of the market by attrition.

Last edited by ctdonath; Dec 31, 2012 at 01:25 PM.
ctdonath is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:18 PM   #131
BornAgainApple
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Massachusetts
I'm all for jailbreaking for the right reasons. Hackulous wasn't one of them. Sadly, my jailbreaking days appear to be over now that I have the iPhone 5. The only tweaks I miss are MyWi, SBSettings and Zephyr. Tether.com solved my first missed tweak, and while it's annual fee is a bit steep, it's a fraction of what AT$T charges. I'm still waiting for a decent app to replace SBSettings. As for Zephyr, I didn't realize until just a few days ago that Apple has a decent app of its own called Assistive Touch.
BornAgainApple is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:21 PM   #132
kbotc
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Quote:
Originally Posted by pubwvj View Post
"Piracy is a major problem for many iOS app developers, and there have been several instances of piracy forcing developers to remove their apps from the App Store. One such case earlier this month saw Hunted Cow shut down its multiplayer title Battle Dungeon after piracy rates of roughly 90% made it impossible to handle the game's server load based on the revenue generated through legitimate sales."

I fail to understand why this is such a problem. I am a developer. I write software. So I have a bit of knowledge in this area. It is easy to implement protection against pirated software especially on server based games and the like. The fact that these developers like Hunted Cow choose not to do so is strange.

Analogy time: I also farm. We have lots of predators out in the woods that want to eat our livestock. So I put up electric fences and have a pack of livestock guardian herding dogs. Most predators simply stay away from us because they see our dogs, smell our dogs territorial markings and hear our dogs howling at them. Most predators are smart enough not to actually try for that tasty piglet, chicken or lamb and risk getting eaten by our dogs. And the dogs DO eat the predators who are foolish enough to try. The result is we get very little predation. On the other hand, another farm further down the valley has a house dog and no guardian dogs. They regularly lose livestock to the local coyotes and bears.

The world is full of predators. Make wise choices. Have good defenses.

A server based game is like having the only watering hole around. The predators will come to you and you can pick them off at your leisure. So why doesn't Hunted Cow get guard dogs?
It depends. Apple has gone out of their way to block apps that attempt to do their own piracy checks, especially when you send that information server side. One of my clients who wrote an IM client that was absolutely swamped with pirates attempted to verify the purchase, and Apple decided that was enough reason to deny the update. I guess it just depends on how Apple is feeling at the moment that they accept/reject your app.
kbotc is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:24 PM   #133
Hidesuru
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by keaton85 View Post
There are a ton of different situations for Jailbreaking and using installous. Blindly putting a bad label on it is just ignorance.

Personally:
- I used installous for trying apps out since there is no "demo" mode on most apps. Particularly the more expensive ones. Once you buy it your stuck with it, for better or worse. NO THANKS!
- Disabling the stupid password feature on FMF
- Tethering (I use Page+, so it wont register tethering correctly)

Those items for me are deal breakers. Ive been a diehard mac person for years and I still am, with dozens of iPhones in the family. BUT personally, without these two items (JB & Installous), I won't have an issue going to Jelly Bean. iOS has really taken a dive in my personal opinion with limiting the ability to do anything. Sadly, I feel that iOS has not progressed with the times....
Then DONT buy it.

The dev had the option of making a trial version if they wanted to. Bad morals, terrible excuse. Sick of people like you legitimizing piracy.

Last edited by dejo; Dec 31, 2012 at 01:27 PM. Reason: Name-calling.
Hidesuru is offline   6 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:24 PM   #134
justinwebb
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Funding was never an issue as each time it would ask you to enter a captcha code and on that page are ad's. So each time they would get paid so I highly doubt that funding was an issue. The forums themselves were miserable place where tons of n00bs posted asking the same questions over and over and then apptrackr had some downtime. It never really came back to what it once was and had lots of database issues driving people away.

If anything the closing of one will strengthen piracy due to all apps now not having to be spread around to more sites they will be able to concentrate on other top sites.

To anyone arguing about whether piracy is bad or not is like complaining about the weather, nothing will come of it and you will just end up wasting your time. People will always do what they want to do no matter the repercussions or consequences.
__________________
32GB White 4s
justinwebb is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:26 PM   #135
Pompiliu
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
R.I.P. Hackulous...

I think i'll switch to Android now.
Pompiliu is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:33 PM   #136
I WAS the one
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: May 2006
I wonder how much Apple paid for this small group of hackers shut down their number one app of cydia? I know money was the reason for the season.
__________________
If were a religion... We all were sinners right now.
I WAS the one is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:36 PM   #137
bingeciren
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Dilemma

Jailbreak and pirated apps should not even be related. Unfortunately there seems to be a lot of people who cannot differentiate the two. If there was a "try before you buy" type of scheme for the AppStore, Hackulo would not be as popular. I used Hackulo to try the programs before I bought them. If I liked it, I paid and bought it. If not, I deleted and saved myself a few bucks. Being a program developer, I hate piracy. However, I don't like the AppStore way of buying without trying, and not being able to get a refund either.
bingeciren is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:37 PM   #138
nia820
macrumors 6502a
 
nia820's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
You know if apple would just allow us to use apps other than on the App Store easily there would be no need for jail breaking. I can't even change the icons on ios.
nia820 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:39 PM   #139
rendevouspoo
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Jailbreaking and Pirating are not the same. Apple strictly limits what you can do with your phone. Some may love the hardware, but may not like having to abide by the rules that Apple requires consumers to do. Jailbreaking allows users to modify and customize THEIR phone to their liking.
__________________
"Tim Cook "can't even see the competition in the rear view mirror"... thats because they are right beside you." -cosmicutensil
rendevouspoo is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:41 PM   #140
DJJAZZYJET
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Good riddance, I used to use Installous/Hackulous a long time ago. Its just not right.
DJJAZZYJET is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:44 PM   #141
itjw
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by freeskier989 View Post
I pirate apps. I pirate music. I pirate software. I pirate just about anything i can. I have not bought Adobe Creative Suite ever and have had just about every version. For free. I have a massive library of music. All for free. I download the latest movies, sometimes still in the theater. For free.

Sorry, but its a dog eat dog world, survival of the fittest. If you don't want people stealing your software, build in better protection.
It's a dog eat dog world. Why not go rob a liquor store?

Why not get a gun and hold up old ladies for their jewelry?

Why not?

Because you're probably the type of criminal that thinks it's cool to steal electronically and that it's somehow different than taking something directly from a person.

It's not, but whatever you think. Hopefully you won't bother calling the cops when the bigger dog comes for you, especially since it's only fair....

Last edited by dejo; Dec 31, 2012 at 01:47 PM. Reason: Quoted post edited / response.
itjw is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:46 PM   #142
Matrixfan
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
I don't want to comment on the moral side of Hackiulous, however I want to point out that jailbreak is always needed to to show Apple that people should be able to install whatever they want on their purchased and owned phone regardless of the type of applications.
Matrixfan is offline   4 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:50 PM   #143
mrsir2009
macrumors 604
 
mrsir2009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Good riddance.
mrsir2009 is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:51 PM   #144
Sardonick007
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: May 2011
There's also no shortage of app developers trying to cheat users out of their money, so turnabout is fair play.
__________________
Buck Rogers would have never let this happen...
Sardonick007 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:51 PM   #145
newdeal
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
...

I used it, need a way to try out various apps. If i didnt like it I deleted it, if I did I bought it. I now have no pirated apps and no jailbroken devices however I also havent downloaded an app that wasnt free in ages since I have all the apps I need already since I have had iOS devices for years...thank goodness Apple makes all upgrades free and not paid that may change the equation
newdeal is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:52 PM   #146
pubwvj
macrumors 68000
 
pubwvj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Mountains of Vermont
Quote:
Originally Posted by hayesk View Post
Lots of app don't, and shouldn't, have a server component.
But this one does and they're not using it. Like leaving the fences down and locking your dogs in the house.
pubwvj is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:54 PM   #147
ZacNicholson
macrumors 6502a
 
ZacNicholson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Indiana
Send a message via Skype™ to ZacNicholson
Quote:
Originally Posted by freeskier989 View Post
I pirate apps. I pirate music. I pirate software. I pirate just about anything i can. I have not bought Adobe Creative Suite ever and have had just about every version. For free. I have a massive library of music. All for free. I download the latest movies, sometimes still in the theater. For free.

Sorry, but its a dog eat dog world, survival of the fittest. If you don't want people stealing your software, build in better protection.
i totally agree with you man! I do the same thing!
__________________
follow me on twitter @zac_nicholson
watch my youtube www.youtube.com/mrzacnicholson
2011 13" MBP, iPhone 4 (jailbroken), iPad 3 32 GB Verizon(jailbroken), Apple tv 2(jailbroken)
ZacNicholson is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 02:00 PM   #148
mrsir2009
macrumors 604
 
mrsir2009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Quote:
Originally Posted by itjw View Post

Why not?
Coz internet pirates are cowards. At least crimminals who rob people's houses and hold up shopkeepers etc have some balls.
mrsir2009 is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 02:01 PM   #149
rdlink
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by atomwork View Post
All that piracy talk is kinda BS. in the 80/90ies we copied music and games too. Remember the old AMIGA days. You did purchased your music when you where a fan, otherwise copied a CD from a friend. Nothing changed.

As far as the above posters cheering for this, i find it hard to accept that the iTunes vending machine is our only place to get and test out apps. Ever purchased a 30 buck app that you couldn't return or get your money back because it wasn't what you needed.

I feel it's part of the game. I purchase tons of apps, other I'd rather like to try out before purchasing.

And the whole JAILBREAK think should be a good thing. I buy the phone and I should be in control what I want to install. CYDIA has dope apps you can buy or get for free. One true thing I do envy on the android side. Open source.
FYI, if you copied music and games that were licensed to others you were a thief in the 80s and 90s, also.
rdlink is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 02:05 PM   #150
The Bulge
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Up your ass.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sardonick007 View Post
There's also no shortage of app developers trying to cheat users out of their money, so turnabout is fair play.
Indeed. Selling in-app currency for small children that happen to be using their parents iOS Device or i general making a game where you can barely do anything without buying some ****. Not cool at all.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by rdlink View Post
FYI, if you copied music and games that were licensed to others you were a thief in the 80s and 90s, also.
Don't be melodramatic.
The Bulge is offline   1 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > MacRumors.com News Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
4s shuts off while taking photo GovtLawyer iPhone Tips, Help and Troubleshooting 3 Jan 16, 2014 03:45 PM
Most Popular Sources for Free or Open-source Software Kelped Mac Applications and Mac App Store 3 Mar 20, 2013 02:07 PM
December 2012 Installous Issue: Outdated version Installous will now terminate faizanshakyboy iPhone 4 Dec 30, 2012 02:52 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:19 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC