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Old Jan 2, 2013, 09:42 PM   #1
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Where is the liberal outrage? Paper advocates killing gun owners!

So where is the outrage from the liberals? Where is the demand that the paper be shut down and the editor fired for printing this hate speech.

I can only imagine the response if this was a conservative advocating death and violence against liberals.

'After saying he would kill gun owners who refused to give up their guns, Kaul issued a threat against Republican leaders.

"Then I would tie Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, our esteemed Republican leaders, to the back of a Chevy pickup truck and drag them around a parking lot until they saw the light on gun control," he added.

He concluded his violent rant by saying that if killing gun owners, shredding the Constitution and torturing GOP leaders didn't work, he would "adopt radical measures."'

'By publishing his call for violence against those with whom he disagrees, Kaul proves, yet again, that liberalism has become an ideology of genocidal hate and rage.'

http://www.examiner.com/article/des-...-of-gun-owners
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Old Jan 2, 2013, 09:57 PM   #2
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Have you ever been to Iowa? It's probably one of the most boring states in the country. This guy has a lot of free time on his hands to sit there and spew complete far fetched non sense that he feels will change the world. All from the comfort of his studio apartment next to the train tracks.
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So where is the outrage from the liberals? Where is the demand that the paper be shut down and the editor fired for printing this hate speech.

I can only imagine the response if this was a conservative advocating death and violence against liberals.

'After saying he would kill gun owners who refused to give up their guns, Kaul issued a threat against Republican leaders.

"Then I would tie Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, our esteemed Republican leaders, to the back of a Chevy pickup truck and drag them around a parking lot until they saw the light on gun control," he added.

He concluded his violent rant by saying that if killing gun owners, shredding the Constitution and torturing GOP leaders didn't work, he would "adopt radical measures."'

'By publishing his call for violence against those with whom he disagrees, Kaul proves, yet again, that liberalism has become an ideology of genocidal hate and rage.'

http://www.examiner.com/article/des-...-of-gun-owners
The guy is a nut-job. Plain and simple. So, there is your liberal outrage. It is an op-ed though, so I'm not certain you can say that the "paper" is advocating it.

However, this man speaks for liberals like the Westboro Baptist Church speaks for Christians. Both are nutjobs and both won't find much support from those they pretend to represent.

I understand you're always looking for some kind of angle, but this is an awful example of how liberalism has become an ideology of genocidal hate and rage. I'll be waiting on the edge of my seat for you to find some more mainstream examples - one nutso doesn't prove a point.
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Old Jan 2, 2013, 10:04 PM   #4
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Hey. What do you know. Crazy sits on both sides of the fence. Who would've thunk?

Though the point you're missing is this is just some left leaning idiot writing an editorial. The crazies on the right tend to be...well...elected.
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Old Jan 2, 2013, 10:17 PM   #5
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I don't make a habit of seeking out diatribe in the form of opinion pieces.
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Old Jan 2, 2013, 10:28 PM   #6
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BTW, if anybody wants to read the actual column, it can be found here:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/app...nclick_check=1

It's pretty much just an old man's ranting over what he perceives as an injustice in the world.

Thewitt should be able to relate to that.
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Old Jan 2, 2013, 10:39 PM   #7
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Probably because this op-ed was only brought to the forums attention right now.

Wouldn't you rather discuss a topic instead? I won't say I'm outraged. That person that wrote the op-ed is wrong in his assessment. There are many liberals that are. There are many conservatives are. There are many in between that are.

I'm not sure what you want... if you're annoyed that this forum tends to lean liberal, sorry I suppose. Such are the various forums on the internet. If you're annoyed that a liberal person wrote an outlandish op-ed, I can pretty much guarantee you that nobody on this forum agrees with the statements in question, primarily the death penalty for people that won't give up the guns he is advocating.

If you're annoyed that somebody else didn't find the article you found first and posted it, keep in mind not only is it a big Internet out there, but as this forum has a liberal bend, they're more likely to read liberal sites which likely wouldn't republish a crazy mans rant, just like a conservative site wouldn't probably republish a crazy "conservative" rant either. At least crazy from their sides eyes. However a conservative site would likely publish the extreme of the liberal side (as would a liberal an extreme conservative) thus making the article likely better known to an unintended audience. The people it was meant for never see it because it's absurd, and the people it wasn't meant for hang on to it to cement their mindset. Both sides do it, both sides are guilty of it.
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It's over here ---------> Outrage!
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Old Jan 2, 2013, 11:13 PM   #9
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I don't know this columnist from a donut hole, but I found his last paragraph interesting:
And if that didn’t work, I’d adopt radical measures. None of that is going to happen, of course. But I’ll bet gun sales will rise.
I don't think he was serious in what he said. It looks like he tried to take it to illogical extremes and used specific examples of right-wing rhetoric and action (cold dead hands, hate crime dragging bodies behind pick ups, etc.) in doing so. Then he concluded that none of this is going to happen, but that right-wing fear mongering will stir up gun sales all the same.

Looks like thewitt played right into it.

That said, it's not particularly well written and I don't think it succeeds in clearly communicating the satire I think was intended. (either that or he's just loony.)
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So where is the outrage from the liberals? Where is the demand that the paper be shut down and the editor fired for printing this hate speech.
I can't say that I read the Des Moines Register, being that I'm not in the state and it's circulation is less than 100,000 per weekday. And, I can't really comment on the article since it's behind a paywall and I don't trust the Examiner to do an accurate job assessing the article.

EDIT: Thanks citizenzen.

That said, it's interesting to see the article's movement through the conservative blogosphere, the epicenter appears to a 1911 blog, but now Fox News has picked up the story, because there's nothing more interesting than a bellicose op-ed in a mid-city newspaper.

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..I can only imagine the response if this was a conservative advocating death and violence against liberals.

'After saying he would kill gun owners who refused to give up their guns, Kaul issued a threat against Republican leaders.

"Then I would tie Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, our esteemed Republican leaders, to the back of a Chevy pickup truck and drag them around a parking lot until they saw the light on gun control," he added.

He concluded his violent rant by saying that if killing gun owners, shredding the Constitution and torturing GOP leaders didn't work, he would "adopt radical measures."'
That's nasty and uncalled for and if that's in the article, it's a shame that it was printed because it doesn't add anything to the conversation and doesn't help readers understand their community.

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...'By publishing his call for violence against those with whom he disagrees, Kaul proves, yet again, that liberalism has become an ideology of genocidal hate and rage.'
And, this is why I don't trust the article. This is just partisan mud-slinging and shouldn't belong in a straight review of the op-ed.

After reading the op-ed, it's a weirdly piece that is trying to be satirical, read it as a poor version of Swift's Modest Proposal.
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Old Jan 3, 2013, 12:04 AM   #11
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So where is the outrage from the liberals? Where is the demand that the paper be shut down and the editor fired for printing this hate speech.

I can only imagine the response if this was a conservative advocating death and violence against liberals.

'After saying he would kill gun owners who refused to give up their guns, Kaul issued a threat against Republican leaders.

"Then I would tie Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, our esteemed Republican leaders, to the back of a Chevy pickup truck and drag them around a parking lot until they saw the light on gun control," he added.

He concluded his violent rant by saying that if killing gun owners, shredding the Constitution and torturing GOP leaders didn't work, he would "adopt radical measures."'

'By publishing his call for violence against those with whom he disagrees, Kaul proves, yet again, that liberalism has become an ideology of genocidal hate and rage.'

http://www.examiner.com/article/des-...-of-gun-owners
Where was your outrage four days ago when this weirdo wrote it ?

That's my point. Nobody even knew he wrote it. that's how obscure the source is.

I would guess had it been some national well known person the PRSI would have known about it.
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Old Jan 3, 2013, 12:06 AM   #12
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I question the integrity of any paper that would print such garbage in the first place.
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Old Jan 3, 2013, 12:15 AM   #13
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If the guy is serious he's an idiot, but after reading the original article I think it was a poorly thought out and ineffective piece of satire. And even if it was intended to be satire the paper probably shouldn't have printed it.
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Old Jan 3, 2013, 12:22 AM   #14
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Maybe there's no outrage because the paper has a circulation of ~100 000, which peaked in the 1960s?

This thread should be locked and the OP shamed.
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Old Jan 3, 2013, 06:59 AM   #15
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So where is the outrage from the liberals? Where is the demand that the paper be shut down and the editor fired for printing this hate speech.

I can only imagine the response if this was a conservative advocating death and violence against liberals.

'After saying he would kill gun owners who refused to give up their guns, Kaul issued a threat against Republican leaders.

"Then I would tie Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, our esteemed Republican leaders, to the back of a Chevy pickup truck and drag them around a parking lot until they saw the light on gun control," he added.

He concluded his violent rant by saying that if killing gun owners, shredding the Constitution and torturing GOP leaders didn't work, he would "adopt radical measures."'

'By publishing his call for violence against those with whom he disagrees, Kaul proves, yet again, that liberalism has become an ideology of genocidal hate and rage.'

http://www.examiner.com/article/des-...-of-gun-owners

Every morning when I come to check MR, I say to myself, I wonder what Mr. Witt came up with last night. Thanks, you didn't disappoint.

Let me ask you this, where is your outrage over all the crazy things said and done by your side? That's right, it doesn't exist. While the op-ed is nuts, trying to promote it as the liberal mindset is just so sad. And here's the obligatory tit-for-tat.

Were you outraged over your brothers calling for a violent, armed rebellion over an elected president?

GOP Newsletter In Virginia Advocates For Armed Rebellion If The American People Re-Elect President Obama
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Old Jan 3, 2013, 08:20 AM   #16
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and where's the right wing outrage too??? they all seem to be missing in action too.


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Old Jan 3, 2013, 08:28 AM   #17
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and where's the right wing outrage too??? they all seem to be missing in action too.


They're too busy being outraged to post.

Frankly, we all know thewitt isn't coming back to this thread. He never does when he posts such ridiculousness.
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Old Jan 3, 2013, 08:39 AM   #18
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If people just simply ignored or didn't reply to threads such as is this, including trolling posts calling out the entire forum membership or groups as a whole for strawmen arguments, then they wouldn't rise to the top of the forum like an unflushed poo and hang around making a stink.

I'm aware I'm not following my own advice here. But you know what I mean.
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If people just simply ignored or didn't reply to threads such as is this, including trolling posts calling out the entire forum membership or groups as a whole for strawmen arguments, then they wouldn't rise to the top of the forum like an unflushed poo and hang around making a stink.

I'm aware I'm not following my own advice here. But you know what I mean.
So true.

So why isn't thewitt reported for starting trolling threads ?
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So true.

So why isn't thewitt reported for starting trolling threads ?

As misguided as I think his threads usually are and with little or no links to back them up. he has every right to start threads here. Why are so many here into censoring those they don't agree with?
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Old Jan 3, 2013, 12:07 PM   #21
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As misguided as I think his threads usually are and with little or no links to back them up. he has every right to start threads here. Why are so many here into censoring those they don't agree with?
It has nothing to do with disagreement and everything to do with trolling. There is a difference.
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It has nothing to do with disagreement and everything to do with trolling. There is a difference.
Let's be honest Lee, much of what is posted in PRSI is trolling, albeit different levels. BV got it right, if it bothers you, ignore it. I'd much rather see the forum participants deal with it than the moderators.
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If people just simply ignored or didn't reply to threads such as is this, including trolling posts calling out the entire forum membership or groups as a whole for strawmen arguments, then they wouldn't rise to the top of the forum like an unflushed poo and hang around making a stink.

I'm aware I'm not following my own advice here. But you know what I mean.
Deaf ears. I've been advocating judicious use of the ignore feature for years.
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Let's be honest Lee, much of what is posted in PRSI is trolling, albeit different levels. BV got it right, if it bothers you, ignore it. I'd much rather see the forum participants deal with it than the moderators.
No problem. Consider it done.
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As misguided as I think his threads usually are and with little or no links to back them up. he has every right to start threads here. Why are so many here into censoring those they don't agree with?
I agree. I'd rather have the opportunity to talk about things.

Especially because I believe thewitt gets many of his ideas from right-wing sources.

Without us, he'd be missing some valuable counterpoints.
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